it would seem the PTB have made a decision of sorts that some galleries here on Rendo' not be included in the AOM's because of lack of activity in said galleries... well I guess that's just too bad for the people that DO post in those galleries huh? Their small moment in the sun, their 15 minutes of sorta-fame here on Rendo' is now snatched away from them... all because they happen to use a method of art creation that is smaller or less popular here than others. I know when I won the digital comics AOM last year it made me smile a mile wide for the entire month, and the feeling of appreciation I gained from the mass choice by fellow rendo' members made all my work and effort all the more satisfying and motivating. But I guess now that will only apply to a select few on Rendo' if this decision stands? This is just WRONG and desperately unfair. Either everyone is treated equally or ditch the whole idea IMO. Once again it appears to me that the meaning of the word 'community' in the Rendo' title of "Renderosity ART COMMUNITY" has been forgotten. Sean

so it is a matter of quantity not quality? Not all artists are available to posts in their galleries a hundred times a year or heck even a handful amonth. but that doesn't mean some of the artists here aren't deserving of the award... then they wonder why more and more artists are just vanishing from rendo

Damn right. I'm with you guys 100%. Let's take this to a higher-up and kick up a real fuss about it.

Hi SeanE, I promised you in my reply to your IM earlier that I would look into your complaint and I have. I was going to reply to you via IM. However, now it seems more appropriate to reply in here so everyone will be fully aware of this and know the details. Each Year the AOM process is reviewed and revised, as we grow as a community. In December of 2004, it was again reviewed and revised. The changes that were made are reflected in the AOM link on the side bar that has been up since January of this year. In 2003 and 2004, the galleries were grouped together so we could try and include all of the active galleries. However, during that time there were numerous complaints of how the galleries were grouped and we were told that comparing the different galleries was like "comparing apples to oranges". We listened and reviewed what could be changed. As we have about 42 different galleries it is not possible to feature each one separately for the purposes of the AOM. Since there were many objections to combining several of the galleries, we had to make a choice as to what would most adequately represent the community overall. We took a very careful look at each of the galleries and the list that was presented was what the team decided on. In July there were some galleries that were combined where we thought there may not be as many objections in an effort to include as many as possible. This December, we will once again review how the AOM process works and revise things as needed. We will definitely take your input into consideration. Thank you for letting us know your thoughts. Best regards, LillianH Renderosity Marketing

Okay. Is there a post somewhere that says just what the categories are, just out of curiosity?

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/index.ez?viewLink=512

Thanks Lillian.

it would be more appropriate to rotate the galleries rather than just exclude some altogther. With 42 galleries available that means that any particular gallery would only be up for AOM every 3.5 years - INCLUDING POSER thankyou. (I don't see why some galleries should have a priority or special circumstance) The other alternative is to make more than one gallery up for AOM each month and to have a winner for each. It's not hard to vote and if you don't care about that gallery/artists then don't vote in it. This way you don't have to combine galleries that maybe don't match too well and you get through all the galleries in the one year. Now if that's what is needed to make it fair and equitable then I'm ok with that. But I am certainly NOT ok with galleries just being excluded altogether as is the case now it seems. This wouldn't affect the AOY as that can be selected from a separately nominated list and could come from anywhere and be anyone... supposedly

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"But I guess now that will only apply to a select few on Rendo' if this decision stands? " LOL Been that way for a long time.

I admit I am mainly Poser and Photography. I do hope however that this decision does get revised thoroughly. I agree it is not right to leave out galleries for lack of posting. Every artist should get a chance for their talents. ********* I also agree about rotating AOM. That would showcase different mediums and possibly generate more activity in the galleries. More than one a month so all could be showcased in a year sounds best to me.

Excluding anyone, any gallery, is just wrong. I don't care what justification is used, exclusion is always wrong.

I had no idea that the AOM was chosen based on what gallery they post to. How ridiculous is that? The galleries are already structured awkwardly (by software rather than content, and no, I won't apologize for my opinion that it's a bloody awkward way to organize a gallery system), and now it seems that some are outright excluded? Dunno what to say. I'm kinda gobsmacked by this. bonni

Actually, that makes sense - maybe the galleries should be organized by content for the AOM/AOY contests.....

Theres a clear 'first' question about galleries, AOMs, AOYs and so on: Renderosity is a empress, has to win money, and has to maintain the first place in digital 'art' websites. If they want to continue in this trayectory, Rendo will not attend, in the practice, any kind of changes that can affect their status. Poser is first, here, because they collect the most quantity of money with all the suplements for this program. After, we have, the SciFi, the Fantasy, landscapes, and if we want to find good creators out of this thematics, we will have to go to the 'Renderosity Art Comunity-underground'.

I don't know....the management could consider going to an AOW (Artist of the Week), or even an AOD (Artist of the Day) system to replace the current AOM system.

That way, everyone would be covered. With 365 days in the average year, each of the galleries could be rotated through 8.69047 times a year. One gallery/one artist per day.

((Note - hyperbole alert.......!))

((Note to management: someone isn't going to like it no matter what you do. But of course, who am I to be stating the obvious to you?))

However: I am inclined to agree that certain artists shouldn't be excluded merely because they don't post in one of the more popular galleries. IMHO.

Since some members have to wait a day between uploads and some members get too upload all they want, why not just come out with it, and sell the aom award to the highest bidder everymonth?

Burn! That's a bit cynical, BDC.

XENOPHONZ idea is like McLuhan's prediction, moreless 50 years ago, that in the future, with the developing of mass-midias, everybody in the earth could be the starring during 15 minutes, but he was too opmitimist, in despite of the common opinion of his contemporanies.
I think the really great winner is one who receive and important award, and then, refuse it. Like Samuel Beckett refuse litherary Nobel Price, or Marlon Brando with the Oscar. They are the really winners. Who are this entity or another one, to sentence as 'the better, the winner, the number one'? Its all a consequence of the theatre of the competition, like when we where childs and start in this roulette, and when we win, they give us many considerations, and when we lose, other kind of things. The competition has a good, but ingenuos ideal in The Baron of Coubertin.
Competition gives at the short or at the long, an insanity psicology. Other thing is to participate -but without 'winners' at the end.
Its a good manner of desconsidering awards, writing here sarcastic opinions, or 'bit cynicals', and funny observations; its a good manner of not being envolved, with others, in the madness of social races of credits, trophies, stadistics obssesions, 'my son is the first of his class, my daughter is the most intelligent...I will like to see here, a winner, who refuse the price. Will like it very much.

Gee - nice to see us MojoWorld users are up against Lightwave users. Never really pictured those 2 apps as being in the same class.....

I don't think anyone does. It's sad, that's what. Really not fair.

LillianH, For my input, when time comes for review of the sections:- I honestly feel Admin should really consider putting MojoWorld in the same class along with Bryce & Vue. I really can't see how TPB can compare a landscape application with a high end modelling / render application. It's just not cricket.....

1. Re: Artist of the Month...but only for some by Elminster_ZK on 9/27/05 17:45 Burn! That's a bit cynical, BDC. Maybe it is, you might be right, I know all to well that I can tend to be a bit of a cynic from time to time.

If the galleries were rearranged by theme and not by product/software, it would be much more fair to exhibiters and viewers and, even, gasp, folks vying for AOM. Should it matter if your landscape was composed in a particular program... or just that you can make wonderful landscapes with your tool of choice? Should it matter if your abstract was made with PhotoShop's filters or a fractal generator... or just that you can weave magic out of processes? Should it matter if your portrait was painted, photographed, or rendered... or simply that you have an eye for showing the essence of personality in image after image? Let's take the Photography Forum as an example. There are people who do a bit of everything, but also people who specialize in insects, or flowers, or machines, or pinups... all of which require different skills! Why judge someone doing portraits against someone else doing macro or astronomical photography, when it is actually much more reasonable to judge that body of work against other people doing portraits... in whatever media. When we upload an image, we designate a category as well as an application. Why don't we use those already existing categories instead? Or is that too reasonable? Carolly

but there are thousands of catagories as opposed to dozens of galleries designations - so that just makes the problem even bigger IMO. Better to stick to including ALL (looks pointedly at the word "ALL"...) the different software galleries I think.

Well, I have it on excellent authority that the site is going to be moved over to Bondware 3.0 in the near future, and that Bondware 3.0 has many improvements and changes incorporated into it. Perhaps they have some means of revamping the galleries, as well. We can hope, anyway. bonni

Ooh ooh! I got an idea! Scrap AOM / AOY completely. Problem solved. As for Rendo's worthless gallery groupings... well I dunno. Common-sense was never a strong suit of the PTB.

Bondware 3.0, huh? That's interesting. I'm looking forward to having the chance to use it.

Having an AOW (artist of the week) or AOD (artist of the day) would be way to much for Admin to manage, especially if they had to interview every winner for every day. Maybe add another category altogether like an Subculture Artist of the Month (I know, crap name) for those sub-cultures that don't get any recognition. I thought of using Cult Artist of the Month but images of WACO just pop up in my head.

For one thing ,who even bothers with AOM or AOY anymore? I quit voting when they took away our vote for AOY because Legume was winning at the time.I took the time to look through the nominees and vote and all of a sudden its guess what guys, your votes don't count. That was the last straw in a long line of bad decisions concerning AOM and AOY. I remember when AOM candidates were suggested by MEMBERS. ANY work from ANY gallery was eligible. Now that made sense, members have way more knowledge of what is posted in the galleries, it would be impossible for mods or panel members to view each work posted as there are far too many. I discovered many very talented artists that way. Just look through the list of nominees suggested by members and bang, tons of very cool art work. But hey, that system was just too logical,and you know we can't have that! Rosity had to change it, they were supposed to have a panel of their mods look through all the galleries instead, and THEY would make the nominations, so guys like Legume could never sully the great and powerful AOM or AOY contest. What happened to your panel? They get tired of trying to wade through gallery after gallery? If your looking for an impartial AOM or AOY contest you're all going to be VERY disapointed.I was, but the nice thing is.......if you just ignore AOM and AOY you don't have to be.

Having an AOW (artist of the week) or AOD (artist of the day) would be way to much for Admin to manage, especially if they had to interview every winner for every day.

Please check my "hyperbole alert".

The suggestion for AOW or AOD was intended as a joke.

;)

If i am traiting not so apparenty well to the Admistration of Renderosity with the first comment i add in this theme, i have to give a right specification to contrarest:
I came here, to this web art, after seing other ones. They look with aspects interestings, but not with other ones. 'deviantArt', it was, by percentage of quality, the best, but i perceive, maybe wrongly, some prepotence, and some panel of experts( recalc: maybe i was wrong). Also, devianArt, has an 'important problem', for the users: the interface. It mas be more funtional. Renderosity interface is, probably, the best i see in all internet, for a website where are many persons, and a lot of movement. I hope, they will never change it for another more artistic but with a sensation of closed, and with difficulties of searching the places.3dCommune, in the person of Pinhead, invite me, very friendly to post my calamities postcards there, but i had a misantertanding because of Pinhead's eyes problem: didndt receive an answer till one month later, when i was already in Renderosity. Also Art4All and others, as Runtime, there where friendly (i am not north american, an my english is not clear). So, i decided a more funtional place, more biggest (the web structure gives also the sensation of something very big with clear signals to doenst lose for the new people).
In the first times, i see the Adm Team; their faces. And, in my appreciation, i think they are very potable persons. Almost all, they have a clear photo (they are many critics here, that they dont have any face in their Bio-homepage). And i have to signal again, that this is a company situated in the first place in digital art, and the manoeuvrings they have to do to maintain this level it couldnt be ok for all. In my opinion theres an 'excess' of horrible posers, that maybe they take it with tolerance; but, for me, and not only for me, its excessively and this is taking out interesting persons, not apparentle commertials artist.
With the AOMs and AOYs, its just the same. I think terragen winner Pascal Strimmaker is a ''clear'' just AOM. But i find others, like AOYs, really injust. But the injustice is in the condition to be a winner (ranking, etc, with Adm decisions). In Art, the opinion of the majority never survive more than one siecle. The majority condemned Beethoven, Rainer Maria Rilke, Kafka, James Joyce, (the list its a scandalous). But they survive across the times situating the majority in the correct place: the ignorance world -and they never are condemned there. Its the justice for the majority: they have their dish of lentils, and nothing more.
I was a competidor in athletics and others terreins. My mentality was like the prototipe perfect of a competidor, but i didnt have luck one day, and had an accident in my neck. That accident, throw me away from competitions but bright my mind. In a competidor mentality, the others are your enemies if you want to be the winner. And not also this, you have to be maquiavelic, and make frauds, etc, if you want to be a professional winner, doesnt matter the social section where you are, its just the same. A just winner are exceptions. Maybe, here, are more exceptions, but dont think so. For me, Pascal Strimmaker, for example, is an exception.
Before a football match, the manager study the enemy, with the unique purpose to win him. Like a war, and some times they are deads(see cyclist Pantani. But there are much more, and Pantani didnt make more 'frauds' as the others winners. But, here, agein, the majority opinion is another)

Lets keep our gallery layout. I visit another site and if you are a 3d artist, you will be treated badly. The catergories for 3d suck. They do not think that people who do 3d might want to put their pictures in a section like "Horror" or "Fantasy", no its "Rendered/indoor" or "Rendered/outdoor". Think they should be comparing apples to apples and not throwing Vue Vs Lightwave, for AOM. Rotating through the galleries makes more sense. Lets lower the elitism a bit here.