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Subject: Eon's Vue 5 Easel Out Dazzles DAZ!!!
it will import pz3!
I aim to update it about once a month. ย Oh, and it's free!
Wow! That dynamic presentation was inspiring. lol Makes me want to buy it. Guess it does the trick. Looks like it covers all the basics for most people. Very cool. I bought Bryce years ago and never used it. I never really warmed up to the renders. The Vue Mountains and terain sculpting tool was niffty.
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IMHO, Vue is the way to go if you're looking for the best Poser compatibility in another software package out there. Not to mention that Vue is an excellent landscape program on its own all of the way around.
About 300mb The differences as far as I can tell, are: limited material settings, limited render options and lighting, limited render size (5 megapixels - I can't say exactly off hand but I rendered something 2400x1800 which seemed to be the limit). If you intend your work for print or detailed postwork, then you're better off with esprit. If you're just doing on-line artwork, then there's still a lot you can do with it.
@mathman: it's around 370 MB. I just downloaded Easel 5 but I can't find a registration key, the invoice says: Serial Number(s): Vue 5 Easel Download - Sidegrade from Vue d'Esprit (Macintosh, English). I can't find a serial number, either in the received emails or in the invoice- or status pages at e-on. What did I miss?
This a great thing E-on has Done for artists who want a good render engine for OUTDOOR poser scenes. and with true GI and direct import of PZ3's I see no reason why anyone should buy bryce
Price wise, there are still some advantages to Bryce over Easel. It has much better material options (over Easel, perhaps not Esprit), no limit to its render size (beyond how long you can leave your computer tied up rendering), and a network rendering option. The other thing I'll say for Bryce is that you often get a different style of image and render that can be quite painterly. Don't get me wrong here, I'm not knocking Easel, it's good value at moment but it does have limits. Especially if you are a creating images for print. I'm happy with the purchase and intend to get good use from it - but I won't be uninstalling Bryce just yet, for the time being I consider these apples and pears, not quite alike enough for me to compare.
There is a discount if you already own Vue 4 so this is tempting to me, but I still have questions. Will Easel accept atmospheres and materials from Vue 4 and Vue 5? Can I save a file in Easel and then open it in Vue 4, just in case I want to render in high res? Does Easel import poser animations and dynamic cloth and hair? I know other versions of Vue do import dynmaic cloth, hair, and animations. For a newbie to both Vue and Bryce like me, Bryce is nice but it's a slow render that doesn't import pz3s like Vue. If I used DazStudio Bryce would be a better match, but since I use Poser, Vue makes more sense. Has anyone played in Easel yet? How is it? Are there prebuilt environments? If so, what kinds? Thanks. bB
@wolf359 OUCH! Is Easel more stable than Vue? Because I find Vue unusable due to its crashing every 10 min. Its just a tool. Depends what you can do with it. DAZ has already implemented direct import from D|S into Bryce. I could only think that they'll be improving Poser/Bryce compatability. Easel does look very intriguing. Frankly, I don't use Bryce as a Poser scene creator. Many people use Bryce for Bryce's sake. My hope is that this will fuel competition and produce better products. @$79 I'll be buying it.
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<p><em>Caution: just a hobbyist</em></p>"Bryce for Bryce's sake." Not really, a lot depends on what feels more comfortable to you. Take a look at Beton's gallery, he still uses Poser 4, Bryce 5, and Painter 7 and produces some of the best work here. I like Shade, others can't work with it. I can't work with Wings, others swear by it. Funcions are not the be all and end all, first and formost is: do you like working in that environment?
"I thought poser 6 import was going to be dealt with now, are they saying we have to buy vue 6 to fix it? Wasn't it supposed to be an option already?
I'm confused.
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Poser 6 import is available in Vue 5 Esprit, Vue 5 ProStudio and Vue 5i.
Vue 5 Easel imports P4 and P5 scenes.
Message edited on: 10/14/2005 11:51
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There's no reason why anyone who has Vue 4 or 5 would need Easel, as both versions inmport .pz3s and pack a heck of a lot more features. IIRC, the final update to Vue 4 enabled P5 .pz3 import. Vue 4 and 5 are much more robust ... Easel is meant to be sort of an affordable "entry level" version of Vue for people who mostly want it for its rendering power. If you want to do more in the Vue realm, you'll need Vue 5 d'Esprit, at least. It seems strange to me that e-on discontinued Vue d'Esprit 4 while retaining versions 2 and 3 for sale, but I'm sure they have their marketing reasons. Maybe a couple of years from now we'll see version 4 on CG magazine CD-ROMs. :-)
One thing to be aware of is that Vue doesn't translate Poser 5/6 procedural shader trees into Vue materials, so if you want to create scenes in Poser 5 or 6 to export to Vue, you'll have to use P4 or ProPack-style texturing options. (EDIT: Alternatively, you can choose not to texture specific material zones in Poser at all, and simply finish them in Vue. You should probably always do this with reflective materials.) Not really such a big deal, since Vue comes with outstanding procedurals and enables you to create your own. The Vue Forum here at Renderosity is the best online resource for advice regarding technique.
There have been numerous Bryce vs. Vue threads in the past few years. It appears that most people who have used both prefer Vue, as I do, but you'll definitely find plenty of people who swear by Bryce as their preferred app. The guy who was my biggest early inspiration in the Poser-based world did all his rendering in Bryce. You can do amazing things with Bryce if you really learn how to use it ... get into the Deep Texture Editor, for example. Most Bryce users never do. Vue's GUI and controls are easier to learn and work with IMHO. The two apps yield a different "look and feel," but both can be mastered to create beautiful results without backbreaking effort.
In response to some evident misunderstanding, Bryce 5.5 can import Poser 5 and 6 .pz3's (again, with old-fashioned texturing, not Material Room procedural trees) via its DAZ Studio integration. However, this works more efficiently in Vue, which doesn't rely on a third/integrated app.
There is a comparison graph at the e-on Software website that shows the feature differences between the current versions of Vue.
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@ philebus *a lot depends on what feels more comfortable to you. Take a look at Beton's gallery* You're stating exactly what I meant. But you misunderstood my Bryce for Bryce's sake comment. The link is to a typical Benton pic with NO poser figure. Some people who use Poser AND Bryce also produce some Bryce images WITHOUT poser figures. Like Benton and Me.
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<p><em>Caution: just a hobbyist</em></p>Bryce has No GI (global illumination) you can fake it with about 100 lights and a few weeks of render time but who needs that ;-/ Vue easel has BETTER vegetation direct PZ3 support and GI for under $100 USD many of those textur referenced obj files export from DAZ studio wont import to bryce Vue wins ;-)
Looks cool, but looking at the presentation and showing me works that E-On claims have been done with Easel, while they in fact have been done in Vue 5 and one of them even in V5I, makes me a little suspicious.....
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Hi Kaylpso. I encourage Wolf to answer, too, but I'll give it a shot. Rendering times in Vue will depend upon the variables you assign to render quality. There's a preview mode that doesn't include antialiasing ... it renders pretty quickly. You also have the option of area rendering, which is very helpful (and much faster than in Poser 6.) There's no quick and dirty answer to your question. However, there's one major bit of advice here:Always use the layers option! Don't put all your lights, objects, plants, etc. on one layer. Dividing things up into different layers will not only help you keep your scenes organized, but will speed render times trememdously.
On the average, complex scenes in my experience render between 1 and 3 hours at relatively high settings. However, the one at the attached link took 30 hours at the very highest settings. Granted, that was in Vue 4 on an older computer with only 512MB RAM. Vue's render times aren't unreasonable at all. It's faster than Bryce. EDIT: There is mild artistic nudity in the linked image.
Message edited on: 10/14/2005 17:22
Thanks xoconostle, I only asked Wolf as he had been last to post a Vue/Bryce comparison :) I figured it would depend on quality settings - 1 or 2 hours sounds good, I had a Poser 6 render take 4 hours because I forgot to uncheck Visible in Firefly for the transmapped hair and it was just a close-up portrait. Thanks for the info! K
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