After reading the Tcat thread {Over Inflation}, I was surprised to discover that the nudity filter does not work in the forum threads. If it is supposed to, then the poster needs to remove the image and reupload it with the proper tic. If the filter is not incorporated into the forums, then I ask why. One who does not wish to view nudity but is following a thread topic, should not be forced to leave said topic because of this issue. I would like a serious response from staff on this issue please, not something along the lines of "If ya dont want to blah, blah, blah..stay out of the forums" BS either from the members. >:(

Wolf did invoke the nudity filter.

Re: What is with the over inflation Image Nudity by wolf359 on 11/3/05 17:33

Are you being sent an e-bot with a reply marked with nudity and getting in that way?

I can see how it might take someone by surprise.Especially if the e-bot recieved was from a previous post than the one containing nudity.

That would be very difficult to filter I would imagine.How could the recipient be sent an Un-ebot?

Clear a mud eh?

8 )

Tom

Message edited on: 11/03/2005 18:25

I'm not sure what the problem was, since jumpstartme2 had not replied previously to that thread he couldn't have been sent an ebot about it. There were already two replies that had the nudity flag set on them, was it that they weren't seen? Was it that the no nudity checkmark wasn't set in the profile also? If it was the programming doesn't allow the nudity flag to work in the forums, then that should be fixed. If it was the other two reason then there isn't much they can do about that.

An "Un-ebot"? Like, this message is to inform you that someone posted a reply to your thread at blahblahblah.blahblah but it contains Nudity so you might want to Click Here to remove yourself from receiving email notices of replies to this thread?

Hi Jump, Not sure what you are asking here? The image with the "nudity" in it on that other thread was flagged for nudity so I am a little confused by what you are wanting to know. Are you referring to the fact that visitors or members that have their settings to not view nudity in their member profile can still see the image in the forum that has nudity? If so, I will have to check with the programmers but I believe it doesn't work this way for the forums. I think that people can tic the nudity button to let someone know there is nudity in a post but I believe anyone can still see it. Let me ask tomorrow and I will let you know what I find out. You always come up with a question that I don't know the answer to, LOL. Keeping me on my toes:) Stacey Community Manager

** Wolf did invoke the nudity filter.** If so, why then was nudity showing in the thread? I have my profile checked in the day time to prevent nudity showing while browsing..I turn it off at various times, such as late night. {And yes, I 'did' check to make sure it was correct in my profile before starting this thread ;)} No ebot recieved as Argon stated, I wouldnt get one if I had not commented in the thread yet. I can see the 'nudity' tic on the forum page, for the other two replies, and no nudity shows..Wolf's just happened to show. What Im asking, is why the nudity filter that one activates in ones profiles, does not work to block these images in the forum threads? {the other two replies were just links to nudity containing images..the images were not directly uploaded to the forum thread.} After all this time, after making sure nudity can be disabled on the front page, and blocked in the gallery viewing, why is it not blocked in forum threads? If it was the programming doesn't allow the nudity flag to work in the forums, then that should be fixed Exactly :) Ack! Stacey, ya posted just about the time I posted my answer..so will just leave the post as it is...ugh! I dont want to type all this again LOL

To eudoxus: Yeah...like that. 8 ) Tom

Now jupmster you just know I have to say this:

"Well if you don't want to see nudity don't go into a thread or gallery about nudity."

RUNS AND HIDES FROM THE TERRIBLE HORRIBLE WRATH OF JUMPS ................... Seriously thats a good question jumps let me know what you find out.

Message edited on: 11/03/2005 22:22

How about not posting images in threads/forums? Make them only for text? If an image is needed for viewing, have it at or in a specific 'gallery' or provide a 'link' for those wishing to follow up. There, all restrictions would apply, i.e., nudity on or off preferences. It would also make reading various threads much faster as there would be no pictures to load up. Peace. TallPockets.

Over in the Bryce forum, people tend to do mini-tutes and things in the thread, which does need inline images. However, I do see the problem, and that would be one solution. Mahray

Hey Jump, I checked with the programmers and as I thought the nudity setting in your profile is for Galleries as the profile page states "Nudity in the galleries?". So for images in the forum posts that contain nudity they can tic the button so someone will know it contains nudity but if you look you will see it:) Stacey

Stacey- Is it POSSIBLE for the programmers to come up with a slight variation of the very box I'm typing in right now - but for the "Post a new message" tic in the forums list for starting a new thread? This would require (to my knowledge) a change to have 3 of these boxes. 1 - The first one that has a checkbox to allow the "Attach File" box to be active at the start of a thread. 2 - Then, if checked (meaning "yes") the "Would you like to post a reply" would not contain the "Attach File" section. 3 - If unchecked, (you guessed it!) there would be no "Attach File" section - OR it would be just plain inactive (perhaps darkened or blacked out?). This would allow people to post a link in the text, but no pics if you're looking for a serious text discussion, and for someone looking for an online quickie tut you can have image attachments. Yes, I just suggested a headache for your programmers... Jump - from the start of reading that thread, I was asking myself when (not IF - but WHEN) is someone gona be a smart-alick and post a pic with obnoxiously big-boobies? Ya KNEW it was gonna happen - just a matter of time. I was just surprised the first one was a link. Sorry you're frustrated - you're right about not wanting to be surprised - I myself might have someone short peering over my shoulder and asking "wat's that?" -Lew ;-)

The forums (any of them) have never had the ability to be affected by the nudity filter. The flag is simply there to warn that the post contains it.

""Well if you don't want to see nudity don't go into a thread or gallery about nudity." A thread about huge boobs has a huge risk to have a huge boobs image.

@TP/Brian.. that would kind of defeat the purpose of some of the forums since they're there to discuss images.. at least in photos it is.. :] & yes, it is just a forum thread flag & not a filter.. the general public who are not members viewing the gallery will not see flagged nude images & are not able to access forums without joining the only solution i can think of for now is to just check back on the basic forum page when recieving an ebot reply while at work in case there's an image, possibly nude, posted

"Sorry you're frustrated - you're right about not wanting to be surprised - I myself might have someone short peering over my shoulder and asking "wat's that?"" What's to be surprised about here? It's an art site, ergo nudity is to be expected yes? And as for a child peering over your shoulder while you read the forums, accept some parental responsibility fgs and either answer their questions or don't allow them to be able to be 'peering over your shoulder'. Jack

Who pulled your chain lemur? And btw, not 'all' art sites have nudity. And Im pretty sure everyone here doesn't need anyone else telling them to be 'responsible parents'..especially me. You dont know me, so dont assume anything about me. And fyi, this isnt about my kids thank you very freakin much...Raise yours, and leave me to raising mine. Oh yea...didnt I say I didnt want any 'If ya dont want to see nudity stay outta the forums' BS?..knew it wouldn't take someone long..~rolls eyes~ @Stacey: Thanks for the answer ;)...is there any chance that the programmers might give a whirl at getting a filter setup in the forums like the rest of the site in the future?

"And btw, not 'all' art sites have nudity" But "THIS" site does. And "This" is where you choose to hang out and "This"is where you complained. How can you post on a public board and expect set conditions on how responses are to be carried out and who is to reply? ""If ya dont want to blah, blah, blah..stay out of the forums" BS either from the members. >:(" You take a very legitimate reply to your query and insist it is taken out of the equation.That way you take away "Your" responsibility Obviously you ignore the fact that you ARE on a site that is subject to nudity,but place the responsibility of viewing or not viewing it on others. "I would like a serious response from staff on this issue please" If you only wanted staff feedback,why didn't you just send them an e-mail or site mail? Sorry Jump,You know I've always got along with you so don't take this reply as a personal assault on you...I just think you took the wrong approach here in stating your query. It's hard to get behind someone who sets conditions on how others should reply. That's what Moderators are for. Tom

Some People just luuuuuuuurve to be Offended...and would be disappointed if they had nothing or no One that Offends them. pulls chain and disappears down virtual bog

hi jani.. as it's the weekend, your question may take a bit to answer so i'll risk it & give it go.. ;] the "nudity flag not working as a filter in the forums" has been brought up before & is on a long list of changes to be implemented to make this one of the best sites for member's viewing ease please be patient.. it's going to take some time but we hope to address each & every suggestion made to get it all to work to most everyone's satisfaction thank you, cynlee :o))) photo mod

Who pulled my chain..... well you did.

Ok not all art sites have nudity, never said the did, but THIS one does ok? And i wasn't responding to you I was responding to a comment by thundering so don't be so touchy lol. As to what YOU want in a thread, well, sorry buddy but that's not how it works, what YOU want in a thread is neither here nor there. The point I made is still valid, first and foremost it is up to the parent to control what their children have access to on the web.

Jack Edited to include.... No one forces you to leave a thread because there is nudity in it. You have a choice, stay and read the thread and accept its subject matter or leave it.

Message edited on: 11/05/2005 12:20

Actually, this thread does raise an issue that IS a problem ... Once in a while, I reply to a thread at home. But there are times that I check my email remotely. And if I see replies to Rendo threads and I have the spare time, I might check to read replies. So I'm scrolling down the page and come upon an image that has nudity in it. So, here's the problem. You can enter through an email link, and have no way of knowing that there is nudity in the thread. And if you are in a place where nudity is not welcome (work, the school library, whatever), it can get you into a heap of trouble. It would be great if there could be a flag that hides all images in a thread if the Nudity flag appears anywhere in the thread. But I'm not sure if that's possible.

Another problem with this issue is that there are alot of children on this site... The parents check the "do not allow nudity" button and such so the child will not see nudity in to galleries...however when a child needs help they go to the forums for answers. So to say be a responsible parent and make sure there are no kids around to look over your shoulder is pointless. Would you also say that the chilren here should not be allowed in the forums and therefore deprive them of the learning tool which can help them to grow artisticly?

Hi LadyFrog. Of course children should be allowed in the forums. What I am saying is that parents have a choice. This is an art site, it DOES contain nudity. Therefore, parents must decide if they want their children to be able to access it, instead of the site and all the members having to jump through hoops to please them. Its all about parents taking responsibility themselves and not expecting everyone else to share that responsibility. Jack

"Sorry you're frustrated - you're right about not wanting to be surprised - I myself might have someone short peering over my shoulder and asking "wat's that?"

God forbid!

Don't you wish we lived in a world where a woman's life-sustaining breasts weren't considered filthy and vile? This is why I personally have chosen to boycott apples and serpents. And boy do I miss apple pie and snakeskin wallets!

I read somewhere, probably on the Internet, that those who were withheld were twice as like to commit crimes in order to discover. That was just an observational aside I decided to throw in.

There is plenty of content on this web site that contains images without full or partial nudity that strongly suggest sex. What about those, mom and dad? Trusting your child to not view these images, or any image for that matter on this web site or any other shows complete naiveton your part. Your kids are smarter than you think. If you want to shield your kids from content like this, then block access to Renderosity completely and toy with a different site instead.

Mom! ... Dad! If it's no good for your kids, then why is it good for you? Are you still out on the side of your house smoking cigarettes out of view from your kids thinking youre getting away with it?

This is an art site, FFS, which primarily deals with Poser. And it's LOADED with content of a sexual nature and by default should probably have an "R" rating. When you signed up for this web site it noted that carbon life forms under the age of 15 receive written permission to peruse this web site. That alone should be an indicator of what your responsibility is and what content lies within.

Censoring the forums is good for you, you think, but how is it good for me and others who are not offended? Ive already been brainwashed by this web site (not blaming Rederosity they simply bent under pressure by the withheld) as well as the extreme right into believing that one of Americas most beloved images, the Coppertone Girl, is pure pedophilic smut

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coppertone_Girl

I suppose Ill be banned for linking to such filthy smut so be it.

Now if this doesnt concern your kids, but only concerns you, then simple common sense comes into play. Kawecki said it best: "A thread about huge boobs has a huge risk to have a huge boobs image."

A rocket scientist need not apply for the job.

Please people...dont punish the majority here with further censuring because you cant exercise common sense either for yourself or for your children.

What I don't understand is, why is the OP viewing a thread dealing with a subject he or she finds offensive in the first place?

-whatever

Of course children should be allowed in the forums So by this, you mean that children should also be allowed to view nudity? Therefore, parents must decide if they want their children to be able to access it, instead of the site and all the members having to jump through hoops to please them I dont believe that anyone is asking members to do anything {they cant anyway as far as programming goes} but check a box when something contains nudity. Thats all members are 'required' to do..and that is already been incorporated into the site..so its not asking members to jump thru any 'hoops' that they aren't already jumping thru. All that is being asked here of the site, is for the programmers to incorporate the 'same filter that is already here' into the forums like it is everywhere else. There was no reason to bash parents who dont wish their children to see nudity..the parents are trying to raise their kids as they think it should be done..there is no reason to call them 'bad parents' just because they dont raise theirs as you or anyone else would. There are no 'perfect parents'...we just all do as best we can. @TerraDreamer: dont punish the majority here with further censuring because you cant exercise common sense either for yourself or for your children. Again, nobody is asking for any kind of censorship here from members who wish to view these images or even post them..why should the ones who 'do not' want to view it..HAVE TO?? Why should the ones who dont want to view it, HAVE TO go someplace else?? Simply put, they shouldnt HAVE TO. There are ALREADY filters in place on this site. There are ALREADY children on this site, learning. There are ALREADY parents using the nudity filter so their children can continue learning without having to view certain things. ALL that is asked for here is THE SAME FILTER to be incorporated into the forums...it doesnt stop ANYONE from viewing or posting nudity containing images unless they tic that box. What I don't understand is, why is the OP viewing a thread dealing with a subject he or she finds offensive in the first place For beginners, I never said nudity bothers me, nor offends me...I view it all the time. There are however times when I 'prefer' not to see it. And I should have the same rights as those who 'prefer' TO see it... Secondly, I was following a thread that interested me..doesn't mean I wanted to be assaulted with gragantuan boobs in my face...altho it was 'bound to happen'...and even tho it 'was bound to happen' doesnt mean I 'should have been ready'..I had the filter set to 'on'...IF the filter had been incorporated into the forums as it is everywhere else around here {which makes sense to me, apparently not to others} I would not have started THIS thread. I wont be told to shut up, back off, or 'go someplace else' just because its not 'the popular' topic. RR may ban me if they wish, but...there ya go. Its a legit question, and I asked it 'here' instead of a private email because others would probably like to hear the answers as well.

When a parent checks the nudity flag so their kids cannot see nudity in the galleries, they ARE being responsible parents, first off, and secondly, I think its a reasonable assumption to make that it will also prevent their kid from seeing nudity in the forums also. In a way the pro nudity elements here at rosity remind me of the punchline to a joke told by "wanda" on comedy central once. "look at it!"

Oh, and I dont click links in threads either that most definately lead to nudity containing images if Im not prepared to see nudity.

Of course children should be allowed in the forums So by this, you mean that children should also be allowed to view nudity? No, I mean that if parents dont want their children to view nudity they should not allow them access to a site where nudity is on view. Once again, it is the PARENTS responsibility. Personally, I have no problems with my own children viewing simple nudity. I accept that some parents do and I have no argument with this. However, it is up to those parents that DO have a problem to take steps to prevent their children from seeing it. It is not the sites responsibility. This particular site has discharged its responsibility by making it clear that children under 15 must have written permission to view. I dont believe that anyone is asking members to do anything {they cant anyway as far as programming goes} but check a box when something contains nudity. Thats all members are 'required' to do.. It IS a small thing and if Renderosity requires it I will do it. But why should I have to? Its not my responsibility to help anyone bring their child up within their own standards of moral acceptability. I am a parent. While my children are growing up and in my care it is up to me to protect them from things that I consider harmful. If I thought that seeing pictures on a website of people sans clothing was harmful to them I would deny them access to that site. What I would NOT do is expect that site to change its policies, its programming and even its members attitudes to fall in line with what I consider right and proper. To expect a site to do this is, in my opinion, lazy parenting. Its like allowing a child to pet strange dogs and then demanding all dogs to be muzzled in case the child gets bitten.

ok, ok, ok..

question asked

question answered

don't see any point in dragging this out further on how one should raise their kids.. besides, setting the nudity flag is also in consideration of members who view the site during their off time at work

thanks Jani, suggestion noted :]

cynlee, photo moderator

Message edited on: 11/06/2005 12:54

Wont post what I started to....grrr... Good thing Cyn popped in here ;) I can be a bulldog at times..heh,heh >:) Thanks Cyn, let me know if ya hear anything more about this subject will you? :)

Noone is asking for censorship and clicking the little nudity flag is already required... all that is being asked is why it doesnt block in forums as it does in galleries. It really isn't anything to get up in arms over... It is simply personal choice. which only effects the person who decides in their own profile preferences. Not effecting anyone else.

again.. that question was answered.. forum nudity tags are simply there to warn that the post contains it using it as a forum filter will certainly be considered in the near future, it does serve a genuine purpose in the galleries as mentioned can we move on now or does this need to be rehashed some more & possibly locked saying in a nice tone :] sure Jani.. i would be happy to let you know personally the outcome of this issue but would think if this was changed, it would be announced thanks again all.. & have a good day! cynlee :o)))

I am off to make another Thread...untill I get MY Own way! woof ....* Fred Lockers wuz here!*

you silly woofy :~D "Fred Lockers" ..LOL... will have to remember that one

Well i've nothing to add Cyn. Unless my chain gets pulled again ;) Jack

NO NAME CALLING!!!!! I am not a silly Woofy!*@#!!! I am ...Fred Lockers! Back to the Dog Box!

IMO, this isn't a kids' website. Children don't belong here. I know that the work of youngsters is sometimes found in the galleries, etc......but once you bring children into a place, then it's no longer a 100% open place for adults.

Even totally putting aside the sexual (implied or otherwise) nature of much of what's to be found hereabouts, many of the (non-sexual) discussions in these forums are not for kids, either.

Chidren don't belong in here any more than they belong in a theater showing R-rated movies. Or in a college classroom where heated debates occur on a regular basis. In spite of the silly accusations of some, this place isn't Disneyland. And it's not for children. At least not as it's currently constituted.

I wouldn't allow small children to watch many of the news reports to be found on TV. They just aren't equipped with the personal tools which are necessary to handle watching scenes of dead bodies, etc.. Nor do they grasp what's meant by adults yelling at each other over various esoteric political issues.

Likewise, I wouldn't allow any small children to "look over my shoulder" while I'm visiting certain websites. And Rendo is one of those kinds of websites.

Children need to go to children's websites. We don't let them drive cars, because they aren't mature enough to handle it yet. Nor should we allow them into forums that aren't age-appropriate for them. I'd strongly suggest staying out of the Poser forums if the kids are watching.

arrrrrgh.. that wasn't the original question but a tangent.. jangling keys nuf said

True artistic nudity can be beautiful and deep and usually take longer than 10 minutes to create. Here we have (or used to have anyway) merchants putting nudes in their advertising of architecture meshs where it was nudity for the sake of nudity which I don't find artistic at all. Regardless that this is an art site, not all of the nudity here is "art". Quite a bit is simply gratuitous 10 minute renders and far from beautiful.

More simply put, there just aren't enough Prog's in the gallery. Now there's a man who's nudes are art.

"So by this, you mean that children should also be allowed to view nudity?"

In German schools sexual education is a vital part of the curriculum, and starts in the Kindergarten and goes throughout all ages.
Children learn about the body, his organs, sexuality, and of course about preventing deseases and unwanted pregnancy, including the correct use of a condom.

Of course learning about the human body and his functions would be a bit complicated without books that include pictures of the human body and all his organs.
Homeschooling is not allowed in Germany, so there is no way for parents to circumvent it.
(Besides from some religious extremist groups they wouldnt want to, anyway)

So I can assure you that all German children have been exposed to nudity from early on, and last time I checked I couldnt detect any possible harm this has done to any of them.

stahlratte

I'm with Xenophonz on this one. This isn't a children's site. It's that simple.

but once you bring children into a place, then it's no longer a 100% open place for adults. >>This isn't a children's site. It's that simple. Hmmm ... I don't it stated anywhere on this site that it is 100% for adults and children don't belong here. In fact, if anything, Renderosity has stated many times that they want the site to be "family friendly." The membership has varying opinions on this matter, not the people that run the site. Like I said before, if there is a way to hide images in threads that have the nudity flag anywhere within them, that would be the solution. Then the display of nudity in threads can be toggled on or off in user preferences. Those who want to see them can see them, and those who prefer not to see them can hide them.

And people wonder why this site is slow. Heap more code on the situation. Tom

**Sorry you're frustrated - you're right about not wanting to be surprised - I myself might have someone short peering over my shoulder and asking "wat's that?" Just checking back in from the weekend. WOW - that quote has been used TWICE and was not only taken out of context, but spun and exploded into a completely diferent topic. Lemur01 and TerraDreams - please reread the ENTIRE post again, but this time with this thought in mind: I was directly responding to a person looking for an intellectual debate that turned juvenile (granted, I thought it was funny, but it was juvenile - and yes, lemur01 I have always thought the little Coppertone girl was a cute illustration). I in NO way support censorship - never claimed I did. I do not, have not, and never will think the human form is something that should be taboo, not discussed, should be hidden, etc. Human form is a beautiful thing and that's what I plan on teaching my kid. Believe it or not, I have no problem with it being taught in schools. No one should be bropught up to feel their body is "shameful". And when he asks "What's that?" you assumed I'm a coward - I plan on answering all his questions honestly as that's what I'll expect of him when I have questions myself (possibly namely, "what's in the little bag you just put behind your back?"). I never claimed RR should be responsible for the raising of my child - I raise my child, not the village, and further I take full respnsibility for his actions as I'M the one supposedly teaching him rules of society. Now, that being said, LadyFrog is exactly right - kids are all over the house - they pop into the room to show you something they just did, etc. There are certain things I'd rather not let him see YET - he'll see them later, he'll even look forward to it, but at 2yrs old, when I turn the filters "on" I shouldn't have to scan the room and hallway, then lock the door to make sure he's not within visual shot of my monitor when I'm reading what I hope to be an intellectual debate (hence my programming suggestion). My apologies Cynlee - I know you said questions asked and questions answered, so move on (keys jangling and all - yeah, that was pretty funny!) - I just felt I should point out it was the wrong question, taken out of context - especially since it was ME being misquoted. -Lew ;-)

Lets all get back to art as cynlee has stated this has been noted and we are working on a solution to the problem. SndCastie Community Admin

"WOW - that quote has been used TWICE and was not only taken out of context, but spun and exploded into a completely diferent topic."

Most statements here are. A question about a filter and how it works is made into "you're a prude". A comment about why the filters are in place, especially if you mention children in the home, is translated into "you think nudity is evil". (narrow minds and all)

Personally I don't think the filter should extend to the forum. The flag is enough. But if there is no warning in ebots, don't enter a thread from there if you're in a place you can't chance the nudity showing up on your monitor.

"However, it is up to those parents that DO have a problem to take steps to prevent their children from seeing it." And when a parent activates the no nudity filters thats exactly what they are doing, taking the steps available to them to prevent their kid from seeing nudity. Its not their fault that the stupid tag doesn't work in the forum. Furthermore there are some members around here that don't want to see it either period. Let alone allow their children acess to it. So its not just a "parental respbonsibility" issue. Its a community issue. While an artist may have the right too create a piece with certain kinds of nudity in it, they don't have the right to tell everyone and anyone else that comes to the joint that they have to "look at it"!

please go back & re-read the thread.. this is now locked..