No matter how I try, I can't get the Total Hair to come even close to the product pictures. I've printed out the instructions, and the Dial.jpgs too. I follow every word. I've taken off the transparency and doodled around with each dial to see what it does as the author recommended. I get big ridges instead of a smooth part at the crown, and the sides look awful sparse. If you've gotten it to work, would you post some small face shot renders? Please? I don't think I wasted my money, but if I can't use it, it's a terrible shame. Am I the only one? Thank you for saving me (I know someone out there has got it perfect)

I haven't gotten it to work yet either, and I also printed everything out. No, you aren't the only one who feels like they got cheated. Marque

I was going to buy it but after reading some of the horror stories, I decided against it. I wish the Renderosity Staff would put together some type of Quality Assurance team and check this stuff out! J

Thank you guys for the info, i almost bought it last night, and i just had that "funny" feeling that i shouldn't. Instead i bought the Vicky Lingerie from PhilC and it's worth every penny!!

Ive seen many people complaining about that hair, and havent seen yet a decent render of it. I saw a few in the Store Contact forum, but people who bought it seem to be dissapointed. I agree with you ookami, the staff at the store should put some quality control in the items they sell.

I'm really surprised. I was expecting to see a bunch of renders from all of you who have it. I keep telling myself that if the modeler could make it come out like it looks, then certainly you all can do it effortlessly. My next questions is, what can I do personally to the model to make it work just enough to justify the purchase to my husband? Would working with the scull caps do me any good? Is it possible to draw layers of hair on the cap and have it look reasonable? I sure could use some advice. To be honest, I find the better goodies in the free stuff. To all who've posted their hair in the free stuff, I am so grateful!

http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12374&Form.ShowMessage=245078 http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=250160 http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=244634 Check this links (I you havent) BillyGoat. In the third one you will find a few renders of the hair. Maybe you can find there a few tips.

Got the hair and I find it ok.It is not quiet easy to use and one needs a bit of fiddeling around until one understands, whats done with which dial.If you look at it from the front there seems to bee a prob with the innersection .perhaps ill send some pics ive done later, just got home from work and im tired.

Thanks Arturito - I was reading those threads as they were posted, but I did go back and re-read them. I bothers me that Marque did not get an answer from the creator of the hair. If he won't answer her (who is seasoned artist in my opinion), he won't help me who is stuck in newbieland. I saw the renders as they went up, and I asked for more explanation, hoping that I'd see a 'i used this txtr instead' or 'don't use as a .bum'... so I figured someone here had found errors in the instructions or wrong numbers on the dials, and veered off onto their own with success. Maybe in time, someone will. Thanks again for searching out the older threads, I appreciate your effort.

If anyone can get a good render from the front without creating new morphs as the artist suggested another user do, then please share your secrets. I am not out to slam or demean any artist, I just want to be able to justify spending $30 for two nice looking skullcaps. Please share your front renders and let us know how you got them. Marque

Youre welcome, BillyGoat. I hope everybody who have bought the hair can find soon a solution for this.

Yes Please share A good front render. I can only get the sweep look to look half way decent and thats After I used the 100 MM lense. Utherwise I get a messy curly type hair. I have messed and messed with it and I cant get it took anything like the pictures in the store. :( Thats why I bought it. It's ok but not what I expected. check "messing with new stuff 2" and "Nadia". Both of these I used the hair on. http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=39454&Start=1&Sectionid=1&Form.Search=spudgrl

Thanks for the warning. I've been considering buying the hair. Thankfully, it didn't quite fit what I needed at that moment, so I held off my usual impulse buying until I could find a specific use for it. Glad I waited.

here one frontview of the hair.no postwork

And a second.no postw.The charakter is saluda.

third, this time with Natalia.no post

You call that good? what about those straight strands in the front? Those are the ones I have a problem with, can you do anything with those? The hair sucks and I think the creator of the hair should fix those strands because I wouldn't use it on a good model like Saluda. You have curly strands and then two straight strands down the front. Glad you're happy with it though..at least someone is. 8^) Also on the top it looks like she used a bit too much mouse and the strands are sticking up with space between them. If I had seen these renders before I bought the hair you can bet your sweet a** I would not have bought it. I would imagine you just lost a few sales with that render. Marque

Too much mouse or mousse .... lol Marque

yep, I know what to do with those strands to get them away. And if I lost a few sales with that renders, better this way than after other people got them :-))

Hey Pervers, how did you get a smooth crown on Natalia? I get these high ridges that look like an 'M' Picture 2 on Saluda looks a bit better than my best shot at this hair. I feel a lot better - cause your straight hair is just as wispy and thin looking as mine. You can't tell me that it looks like the product thumbnails. Any why does the hair end in points? Is it possible to load the same mesh twice? One over the other? That would give it the fullness it needs. I do want to thank you all for helping me - the words and the pictures. I know my next statement is very sensitive, but it's too bad I can't even send the mesh to someone who could actually fix it up. Can't use it, Can't sell it, Can't give it away, Can't throw it out. I love America.

I'm just hoping that this will shame the creator of the hair to fix it. It's up to him, not us. We should not have to fix something we paid so much money for in the first place. Marque

Im very impressed. I havent bought the hair, but Ive been reading all the posts in the forums about it. As far as I can remember, the maker of the hair havent posted even one message. Nothing. I dont understand it. But Im sure of one thing. This guy will never see a dollar of mine. If you buy something that doesnt work as it was supposed to do, you should have the right for a refund. You shouldnt shut up about this. If I had bought it and I cant get it to work even following the makers readme files, Ill ask him for a refund. People here at the store should take care about the quality of the products they sell.

You are right, Marque. You DONT have to fix NOTHING. Its the creator of the hair who has to do it. And if he doesnt fix it, he should give you your money back.

When you order from the renderosity store it is understood that you get no refunds....hence...I will no longer shop here. If I was unhappy for any other reason I could understand it. But if they test the products they sell, they would have known you couldn't do a frontal shot, and would have at least warned us. It's called greed. Marque

You get no refunds if, for example, you dont like the product. But what happens if the product is deffective?

No one has stepped up to the plate yet and said they would make this right. Does that tell you anything? 8^) Marque

I think some clarity on how the store works is needed. Think of the store as a Mall.. Each vendor renting their floor space for their own shop.. Hence the 50% we as vendors pay.. Therefore it is really up to each vendor to put right something that is wrong with their own product.. I can assure every that the majority of vendors will do so.. Believe me this situtation is of concern to us. I know as a vendor I would.. It might not be in the form of a refund.. mainly because I would have to pay back full price after having only recieved 50%... I can assure you all that some agreement would be reached where by any of MY customers are satisfied.

If a product is defective, we'll e-mail you another copy after the problem is fixed. The Total Hair isn't defective, but it may be for advanced users only. -JH.

Then let one of the advanced users do a front render so the rest of us newbies can see that it can be done. Thanks for calling the rest of us stupid, 'preciate that a lot Jeff. Marque

Marque, I don't have anything to do with how you feel about yourself. Calling anyone anything was not my intent.

I feel fine about myself, just annoyed that you are still copping out with excuses instead of showing us a front render of this hair. Marque

It's not up to me show a render of any product. I test them, then they go in the recycle bin. You should be making this request privately of Hmann. -JH.

No, I'm done with it, and the store. Thanks for taking the time to help us with this problem. Marque

I bought the hair too, as soon as it hit the shelves. Was so excited to see all the different styles that could be achieved. Installed it, rendered it, and sat here in total discust looking at it. NOW, my first reaction was to run over to the forums, and see how everyone else was doing with it....well now I see that even though I'm a very novice user of poser, I'm not alone in my discust. I've heard that hmann is out of town, so this could very well be the reason for him not being here to tell us how to use his product properly. However, I have to agree with Marque.... I spent 30 bucks on something that I can't get to work half way decent, and it certainly does put some hesitation into buying anything new from the store, unless it's from an artist I've purchased from before, and has a good rep. fingers crossed that he fixes these files, and gives us all an updated version. The hair is #1 in the 30 best sellers list here, is there anyone out there that has been totally satisfied with it? Deb

Only for advanced users?? My ass! And even if that was the intent, than why did he spout about including settings to achieve the styles shown? I, like most everyone else who bought the product tried the settings when I couldn't get any acceptable results and they looked nothing like the previews shown when I wasted my money on the project. As it stands, I am extremely dissatisfied. I will wait for a response from the creator for a short time, but after that, if renderosity doesn't pick up the ball, I am through purchasing here. This is the second product I have purchased that I have been unhappy with. As for the no refunds, I understand the purpose, but they also supposedly test these products. How can they say they tested this hair and came up with results even similar to the previews. As of now, I wasted 30 bucks on hair that can only give a good image if my models walked around with their head sideways all day.

to billyg first: to fix the M you mentioned there is a dials "Top Down" set it to 0,7 or 0,8, that will fix it. second: I asked hmann two or three times things about the hair and recieved an answer within some hours.Last time it was on sunday. third : I dont think that the hair is so bad as all people complain.ok , it looks much better from the right side than from the front.but with most of the hair on has to do some postwork.but thats my opion.The only thing Im missing is some more instruktion what each dial does.Im german and for me its hard to understand the shortkeys

I don't have to use post work with kozaburo's hair, so I guess I'm a tad spoiled. 8^) Marque

....if the title of this thread were on some other well known places on the net, this whole scenario could well be a might perverted........(hehe)..... ....hey, my role, my role.....your supposed ta LAUGH! HAHA?..........sigh.....I better scat...................

Hi As many of you already know the only reason I didn't initially respond is because I was away and had absolutely no idea what was going on..untill one of the store owners informed me that there were some posts on the forums. First let me apologize to any of you that are having trouble with front renders of the product...this is an issue that I am concerned about and I am working on it right now. There is an update on the way. Unfortunately it will be at least a week away as I have to respond to emails as well as find time to work on both the Posette and Vicky and also I have to take a day to pick up my car which is abandoned several hundred miles away because of floods. My sincerest apologies for any inconvenience to anyone concerned. I have on the other hand also been recieving literally dozens of emails from buyers that were very encouraging and satisfied with their purchase over the last 2 days. In defense of the the product...it is designed to be versatile, that was my aim and thats what it is, so it becomes easier to push a wrong dial and get a wrong look in this regard. But this doesn't negate the point that those people that bought the product and have had some problems especially with front renders have reason for concern and I am working to the best of my ability to rectify this as soon as possible. Unfortunately practically all the people that had some problems mainly aired their views on the forum and didn't email me about it, so it took a lot longer for me to even become aware of the situation especially as I was away. I have spent many hours writing to people (bulk emailing people that bought the product about the update) as well as responding to some posts on the forums. My aim was and still is to make Total Hair a first class product..BUT because it is not as simple as texture mapping and morphing a Zygote figure more time has to be put into it (on my part)to make it more perfect. The update will hopefully make it much easier for novice users to get it up and running and looking good. That said I have included a quick (untouched) front on render of part of the update for the Posette only. The final update will take at least about a week from today. Regards Harvey Mann