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Subject: Poser 6 and Lights
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Are you talking about a graphic card? How do you tell if it's an "openGL" one or not? Here is the dxdiag of my graphic card: Card name: NVIDIA GeForce4 440 Go (Dell Mobile) Manufacturer: NVIDIA Chip type: GeForce4 440 Go DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC Device Key: EnumPCIVEN_10DE&DEV_0174&SUBSYS_00D41028&REV_A3 Display Memory: 64.0 MB Current Mode: 1400 x 1050 (32 bit) (60Hz) Monitor: Default Monitor Monitor Max Res: Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll Driver Version: 6.13.0010.2835 (English) DDI Version: 8 Driver Attributes: Final Retail Driver Date/Size: 3/11/2002 14:56:00, 3416013 bytes WHQL Logo'd: Yes WHQL Date Stamp: n/a VDD: n/a Mini VDD: nv4_mini.sys Mini VDD Date: 3/11/2002 14:56:00, 909501 bytes Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-4234-11CF-8B78-DE2001C2CB35} Vendor ID: 0x10DE Device ID: 0x0174 SubSys ID: 0x00D41028 Revision ID: 0x00A3 Revision ID: 0x00A3 Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_B ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D Deinterlace Caps: n/a Registry: OK DDraw Status: Enabled D3D Status: Enabled AGP Status: Enabled DDraw Test Result: Not run D3D7 Test Result: Not run D3D8 Test Result: Not run D3D9 Test Result: Not run
Message edited on: 01/02/2006 05:44
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
LOL, sorry, but you're speaking to a non computer geek here :P I don't know much about hardware at all. I posted my dxdiag above. Does it have this 3D acceleration?
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
Quote - SreeD preview
That's what it is set at, and the image above is the result. I tried picking the other one.... "OpenGL", and nothing happened. I came to post, and went back to Poser, and it's frozen with a nice image of the text body of this post, LOL Message edited on: 01/02/2006 06:32
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
That sounds as though your video system doesn't have good enough OpenGL support. This is a laptop you're using? SreeD would be the proper setting then, but I don't know why it would give that darkened preview. If I were a helpdesk operator, I'd be telling you to update your video drivers about now - but that's the equivalent of the doctor telling you to "take two aspirins and call me in the morning". :)
All my drivers were just updated in October after my last reformat.... at least I think they all were. My friend looked all around Dell's site for updates and installed them. Perhaps the video drivers weren't there.
I'll go check NVIDIA's site and see if there are any updates.
Message edited on: 01/02/2006 07:01
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
Maybe a little more info would help. Your "before lights" is lit. What's lighting it? Your "after lights" is too vague. What kind of lights? Did you turn off or delete (it could make a difference) the three default lights? Are you using spots? "After Render" doesn't look like spots, but that's just a guess. Does the same thing happen if you add "normal" lights, or only with certain kinds of lights? And, of course, how many lights? If you don't have eight or more, then Stewer's answer is off the mark. (As it appears to be, since you aren't using OpenGL.) Regarding OpenGL: The fact that your machine hangs when you use OpenGL suggests that the "two aspirin" might help. Again it would be useful to know if you have more than eight lights, since that might explain the hang. Go to the nVidia website and update your drivers, just for curiosity. I confess, the darkened preview looks familiar. Do you have the latest Poser SR? If not, pick that up too. It's perfectly possible that as a relatively new user you have developed a habit about lights that seems perfectly natural to you but is not the typical usage. (I certainly did, and some of them took months to unlearn.) This is expecially likely with newbies who dive into a program as complex as Poser. If that's it, we can't address the problem until we have a better grasp of it. M
The first image is the default pose window. All I've done is add the figure and pose it. The middle image is the pose window right after I have added a custom light set (Complex Global Lights, Runway2). The last image is the result of the Runway2 lights after being rendered. I didn't turn off or delete anything. I never do. All I've ever done, and I didn't have any problem doing it in Poser 5, is add my figure, do whatever work on it, add a set of custom lights and render. I've never had lights preview black in the pose room in Poser 5. Spots? You mean spotlights? I have no idea. I am using a light set from Complex Global Lighting, called Runway2. However, it's not just this light set that gives me problems like that middle image. All of the Complex Global Lights are doing that in Poser 6. I've tried some RDNA free ones, and while the image isn't as dark as the middle one I posted, it's still dark and doesn't give an indication of what the lights "look like". I did go and get the updates from eFrontier. My version is 6.0.2.118 > Quote - It's perfectly possible that as a relatively new user you have developed a habit about lights that seems perfectly natural to you but is not the typical usage.
Can you explain further? I use preset lights like they are out of the box. I have never tweaked/adjusted them. I use preset lights because I have no clue how to make my own lights. The few times I tried I ended up with pitch black. Now, even if I wanted to make my own light sets, how can I? I can't see the results of adding lights in the Pose room anymore. I was just at Dell and updated my drivers. I think it was the same ones that I had already, but I downloaded and installed them anyway. All of my BIOS are up-to-date from October's reformat. After installing the drivers the lights still preview as above though. I guess I'll have to install poser 5 again and use it for adding lights. :( By the way, here is an image of the lights for the set I'm using. Every light set that I have or have downloaded has more than 8 listed in that menu.
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
Acadia, looks exactly the same when I use a freebie here, Poser Renderupgrade, a set of over 30 infinites faking daylight radiosity. The figures become black like yours. My card also isn't OpenGL. This bug appear in my P6 but not in my P5 with the same set
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I think the light set was designed for P4. This sometimes works for P5 and P6: Save the light set. Delete the lights from the scene. Eeload the newly saved light set back in. AFAIK, GEForce cards are OpenGL. Mine is, but then it's not a laptop version.
Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.
Don't need to in Poser 6, it - or a similar script - is included.
Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum.
The graphics card is hardware-accelerated. The driver will support DirectX and may support OpenGL. I have the same graphics adapter on a Toshiba laptop and the driver does not support OpenGL here at all. Since drivers for laptop cards are not for download at Nvidea, you have to stick to the drivers your notebook manufacturer provides. Toshiba has NO OpenGL for my laptop. If your Adapter has no OpenGL-capabilitys Poser 6 will state that in a message box each time you start the software. But if the problem exists on SreeD-Mode as well, it is obviously no OpenGL-Problem. Right?
A ship in port is safe;
but that is not what ships are built for.
Sail out to sea and do new things.
-"Amazing
Grace" Hopper
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I already tried that. It does not work on Notebook cards.
A ship in port is safe;
but that is not what ships are built for.
Sail out to sea and do new things.
-"Amazing
Grace" Hopper
Avatar image of me done by Chidori.
So it seems I have to delete the existing lights. I can do that!!! Can someone point me to where I can get that delete light script or tell me how to delete all of the lights in Poser 6? Please don't say I have to select each one and click "delete" :(
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
Great! I'm off to try and see what lights look like after doing that. So far this light issue is the only thing that has made me unhappy with my upgrade. If I can resolve this, then I'll be happy :)
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
I did go and get the updates from eFrontier. My version is 6.0.2.118 Is that the latest version?
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
I think stewer answered this back in post #3 of this thread. It was also discussed way back when Poser 6 came out (but I can't find the thread).
Very basically, the problem is this: Open GL preview (whether hardware-accelerated or simulated in software) can't handle more than a small number of lights, so if you use too many, Poser's preview image turns dark.
It's not really a Poser problem. Services releases have nothing to do with this.
Global illumination, for instance, uses about a gazillion lights, which are waaaaaay too many.
The quick solution is to do all your posing and camera positioning using fewer lights. Three should do the trick. Then you'll see everything clearly.
After that, delete those three lights (or keep them if they work for you) and load in your larger light set for rendering. That's what I do.
Poser 5 and lower versions of Poser don't have this problem because they don't use Open GL.
-jjsemp
Message edited on: 01/02/2006 22:16
It's not really a problem. All of those "global illumination" light sets were really just hacks to crudely simulate lighting conditions that earlier versions of Poser couldn't create. With Poser 6, there are other, better, more efficient ways of achieving the same results. So we all really should just dump the old lights and live with the newer, better ways of doing things. -jjsemp
Quote - With Poser 6, there are other, better, more efficient ways of achieving the same results.
Can you please expand on that with some examples?
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
The light dome can be replaced by one IBL light. The light dome simulates ambient light from all arround. A single Image-based light does the same. It uses a picture as a source of the brightness from all around. There are example pictures for IBL Lightning that come with poser.
So you can replace your dome of lights with only one light, which is basically the same - a globe of light all around the szene.
Message edited on: 01/04/2006 00:42
A ship in port is safe;
but that is not what ships are built for.
Sail out to sea and do new things.
-"Amazing
Grace" Hopper
Avatar image of me done by Chidori.
Sorry to be ignorant about all of this, but all I've ever used is premade lights, so all of this talk about lights is totally foreign to me.
Quote - The light dome can be replaced by one IBL light
What is an IBL light?
Quote - The light dome simulates ambient light from all arround
Where do I get one of these light domes?
Quote - A single Image-based light does the same. It uses a picture as a source of the brightness from all around.
How do you use an image as a light? Message edited on: 01/04/2006 00:38
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=2303050
Try that thread. It's a bit long, but it explains all about lightprobes and how they work.
A ship in port is safe;
but that is not what ships are built for.
Sail out to sea and do new things.
-"Amazing
Grace" Hopper
Avatar image of me done by Chidori.
Thanks. I'm heading to bed so I'll have a look at it tomorrow.
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
Attached Link: http://www.runtimedna.com/mod/forum/messages.php?forum_id=43&ShowMessage=141460
I was browsing at RDNA and came across this thread which reminded me of your question: http://www.runtimedna.com/mod/forum/messages.php?forum_id=43&ShowMessage=141460 Olivier reply is very helpful. The way I understand it is that in the preview, Poser takes the maximum value of the lights to illuminate the scene (It doesn't show the accumulative value of all the lights) and as all the global lights have very low values, the maximum will be very dim. This gives the very dark preview you are getting. I tested this by loading the Runway2 lights you said you were using and turning up the value of the Ambient Front 0 Main light. The preview became much lighter. Therefore, if you wish to use the older light presets you could just turn up the main light, do your posing and positioning and then when you are ready to render, return the light to it's previous value. I hope this helps. It certainly helped me!
Thank you for that :) I'll give that a try later. I really like the premade lights that I use, and I've had no success in making my own lights and end up with black blobs, so I have no alternative but to use premade lights if I want to have any lights in my scene other than the default lights which are blah.
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
Attached Link: http://www.rdna3d.com/Tutorials/Poser6/Resources.html
There's a lot of useful info at the attached link.
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Ok, while I'm so far liking Poser 6, one thing I'm deeply unhappy with is the way it displays lights in the pose window. In Poser 5 I could apply a light set and see what it was doing and giving me a general idea of what the figure would look like with those lights post render. In Poser 6, when I apply lights, the figure turns dark and I have no idea what those lights look like until AFTER I do the render. Bright light, dark light.. it doesn't matter. It all looks the same in the Pose room :( I like to go through my light sets and pick which light set happens to work best for that particular pose. However, with the way Poser 6 displays them, that's impossible to do unless I stop and render each time. I hate that!! Is there a way to get Poser 6 to stop turning my image black after applying lights? See the attached image for what I mean. How are you supposed to be able to make your own light setup if you can't tell what the light you are applying is doing?!!!"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi