I'm looking for a bear skin rug, preferably polar bear. However a regular bear skin rug will do too.

Attached Link: http://trekkiegrrrl.dk/prp4.htm

TrekkieGrrrl has a "regular" bear rug :-)

I did see that one, but it unless it renders differently, it looks a bit "Cartoonish" and quite "vicious" (hehe), for what I'm looking to do.

Attached Link: http://www.snoopy101.soron.net/

(Nudity tag added because of the other prop on the site - adult one) How about zebra skin ? Without big head or paws, if that's what you're calling "toony" or "vicious" ;-) If you're willing to spend some cash, I'm pretty sure there was a set of animal skin rugs in the MP. Not sure who did it or how the product is exactly called though :( Edited: found it ! Although it may be not you're looking for, as those are rectangle-shaped. http://market.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?ViewProduct=32795

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There is a bearskin rug morph, I think, in the bear extras at vistainternetproducts.com. Did you check for one in the new Brown Bear at CP? M

That one might work better, thanks :)

I decided to purchase the bear at Vistanet.

I got to the checkout and I see that $7.00 is being added for SHIPPING!!!! WTH? I don't see anyway of turning that off either.

No way am I purchasing something for download and paying $7.00 for "SHIPPING"!

I can see paying shipping if it was a statue I was ordering, but it's a downloadable file for crying out loud!

Message edited on: 02/06/2006 05:59

Vista products are all shipped via CD ... there are no downloads ... thus the shipping, but if you buy over a certain amount, shipping is free. Its well worth it. Buy some ducks or something :)

No thanks. What I was getting were morphs for the Daz Bear. So far as I'm concerned, there is nothing to ship. I can burn my own files to CD here for a whole lot cheaper than $7.00!!!! I don't need someone to send me a CD with one file on it.

I won't be buying from there if that's how they do their business!

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Message edited on: 02/06/2006 06:12

maybe if you email Lyne she will allow you a download. I've never agreed with the shipping method either, especially with broadband, but that's the way its set up.

I have sent an email. My purchase was totalling $10.00 for a bear morph file, for a product that Daz sells. Why I should be expected to pay $7.00 shipping on top of that is beyond me. I don't need or want a CD sent to my home. I have my own way of filing and organizing my files. All I would do is put the file on one of my own disks and destroy the one sent to me anyway.

Message edited on: 02/06/2006 06:30

Well, I got a reply to my email. I was told that if I order more than $30.00 I get free shipping and the order would be shipped on Tuesday. To me that seems like a nice way of generating extra sales for themselves...forcing people to buy more than what they want or need so that they don't have to pay for shipping. All I want is a $10.00 morph for a Bear at Daz. I don't need a CD burned and I'm certainly not going to be spending money on stuff I won't use so that I don't have to pay for shipping. I live in Canada, and we are subject to border processing fees by UPS, as well as duty. Not to mention that because of all of the terrorism going on, our parcels are hung up at the border longer than they used to be. A parcel via UPS ground will take up to 8 weeks to get here. I ordered that 3 Axis Video course a couple years ago. It was $59.00 I think. It took 8 weeks to get here via UPS ground and when UPS showed up at my door they expected me to pay them $48.00 brokerage fee (their fee for processing the border papers). What a rip off. I want the file today so I can finish working on what I'm doing. I don't want to wait up to 8 weeks and find myself charged "brokerage fees" upon delivery. In addition, I have 2 CD burners and recently bought 100 CD-Rs that I only paid $20.00 for. I'm quite capable of burning my own CD! Other Poser and 3D stores offer their products via file download. I see no reason why this other site can't do the same. I know they've lost my current and any future business that I would do with them. I had been eyeing some of the other animal products and planned on buying 1 or 2 each month once I returned to work, but no way am I going to be doing that now. I'd rather take the money I save on shipping and spend it in somoene's store and get something for my money other than a CD that I'll be throwing out after I burn the file to my own filing system.

My apologies. I feel responsible because I've been praising the stuff for the last few days. It's been a long time (as in years) since I ordered anything from them, and I forgot the CD burn thing. In their defense, I'm guessing they don't have the bandwidth to support downloads. But if they want to do business in this decade, they need to fix that. I agree with you, that I won't buy from a store than requires me to take CD delivery and charges 25%-50% of the retail price of the product for "shipping." Add in the problems getting stuff shipped outside the US (I lived in BC for a while), and they are out of a whole bunch of excellent markets. I was going to buy the Coyote pack and the Charger textures. Maybe I will, since the email suggests that I'd get free shipping. But it means deciding to buy BOTH of them now, which is a lot less likely than one now, one later. M

In this day and age of internet there is no excuse for saying they don't have enough bandwidth. The hosting site I'm with charges $5.99 per month payable over 2 installments for the home package, and payable in 4 installments for the business package. For the home package you get 500 gigabytes of bandwidth PER month, and 10,000 megabytes of webspace. I doubt that their sales are so great that they would exceed 500 gigabytes of bandwidth in a month!!!!!!

i've heard nothing but good comments on Lyne and her products and how fast her shipping is... i've heard people say that it only took 2-3 days and they lived a world away from where Lyne lives. back when i first got into poser i remember coming across her site and wishing she had electronic downloads instead of shipping but in the end i realised its how she wants to run her business and apparently it must be doing ok because she's been doing it that way for years. yes chances are very (very) good that if she did do the download thing instead of shipping cd's she'd get alot more business.. but again.. its her store, her rules. there might be other reasons besides bandwidth that she chooses to ship cds. from the times i've talked to her she doesn't seem like the type to be sitting there hatching ideas how to screw people over by shipping her products on cd. but everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Acadia ... you have the bear from Daz i gather from what you've wrote... why not try to make your own bearskin rug? it wont be like Lyne's.. but it might be something you can use... all i did was move the legs out sideways.. and twisted the lower legs and feet to they look like they're laying flat.... when i got things looking halfway decent i selected the bear's body and scaled down the YScale to about 28%.. then because everything is flat...i selected the neck and head and YSclaled them up so they have more shape to them. --- and Acadia again...i just read your post about your hosting..and i've been looking at hosting and since your canadian (so am i) are you happy with the one you currently have? and if you are what hosting company are you using?

Try Trekkiegirls rug and grow hair on it in Poser!

No, I tried TrekkieGrrls rug and it's not what I'm looking for at all. It's nice, but not for my needs in the renders I'm doing currently.

I may just end up using the zebra rug or doing post work to add a bearskin rug after rendering.

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If you grow your own hair then the polar bear part is easy.

Unfortunately my computer doesn't have eough oomph to render hair done in the hair room. It totally seized up. I tried to grow hair on a kitty once and I thought my computer was going to blow up, LOL

Yes,rendering can get a bit hairy!

Attached Link: http://www.fotoonz.com/FoToonZ/Peeking_Duck.html

Heh! Yes it can... There's a close up of Lynes's rug in this shot: http://www.fotoonz.com/FoToonZ/Peeking_Duck.html , and also of her duck. It looks great to my eyes. I agree that the CD business is a hassle, but I think she does have her reasons for doing things that was. She ships VERY quickly. And she's got things you can't find anywhere else.

Also, the rabbit in "DachsHorses", and the cock in "Pet Cock". She has quite a stock. Hmmm... that rymes... :-)

Lyne at Vista Internet Products is one of the nicest people I know. It only takes a few days to get the CD. When you step back and read what is written above it's like bad mouthing her business. Her Products are outstanding, and She didn't ask you to buy from her. She has been sick lately and doesn't need negative remarks. Shes not making a profit on the shipping.

Acadia, there are two links on the start page: one is about CD vs Download and the other is about shipping items. On the start page itself it's mentioned that they send you a CD with your order.

Maybe it's a good idea to read how a store proceeds your orders before you order something. It's all on the frontpage for everyone to see so you can actually only blame yourself and not Lyne! And I agree completely with Turtle!

Message edited on: 02/06/2006 10:55

Great stuff. I've done a LOT of business with Vista/Lyne.

I'd love to know where they got those figures on broadband from.. 'cos by current reports, they are totally wrong..

Attached Link: http://poserpros.daz3d.com/store/viewitem.php?selitem=4725&start=0&selcat=0&selsub=0

acadia- if you're trying for realistic, i'd look at faveral's trapper set. i'm betting you can make the black bear pelt white.

VistaInternetProducts has wonderful stuff, but they only do business by mail. They are very prompt, but it's still kind of a bummer. I have purchased from them, and will again, I'm sure, but I would buy a lot more if their products were downloadable.

just a thought, and the Performance Ensemble for Theatrical Anarchy will lambaste me profusely..but what if you just took a bear, and flattened it?..;) just wondering..;)

Yeah my bear skin rug IS a bit on the toonish side. That's because .. I'm not good at modeling organics such as bear heads LOL

As for Lyne's shipping methods.. I was once told that it was to prevent warezing. IMO a rather lame excuse. Warezers do not hack your server in general. Someone somewhere buys the stuff and then uploads it. And that can be done with things from a cd just as well as things you've downloaded.

There are several of Vista's things I've been wanting over the years, but no matter how fast the shipping.. If I buy something for Poser it's usually because I want/need it NOW. And generally things take some 8-10 days to ship from the US to Denmark... and 10 days from now I would have totally forgotten why I wanted whatever it was I bought LOL

So if you ask me.. Lyne is ruining her business. Too bad because the models there look so incredibly NICE... AND Lyne is such a nice person too.

As a recent customer, let me point out some things about the products from Vista Internet Products. I don't mean this to "bad-mouth" them, but to present the information about the products I received. Decide for yourself if their products are for you: 1) The folders are HUGE. The "Flamingos" folder is about 22M and the "Ultimate Ducks" folder is over 360M. However... 2) The products are not zipped. You receive the files in separate folders, such as "Lynes Flamingo Poses". The folders aren't even under a "Runtime" folder on the CD. I had to manually move the files from the folders on the CD to the folders under my Poser Runtime folder. I certainly missed the the convenience of clicking a zip file's "Extract" button and watching all the files fall into the proper place. One reason the files are shipped on CD is that they don't want to host huge files on their website. I can understand how a 20M file may be too large for dial-up users, but when I zipped the 20M folder, it compressed to around 9M, which is acceptable as a downloadable product. After I converted the tif files to jpg and the cr2 files to MAT poses, the zip file came down to under 5M. (Personally, even if I was a dial-up user, I would rather wait 2 hours to download a 20M file than wait a few days to receive a CD in the mail.) 3) All of the textures are tif or pict format and most are 2M to 3M in size. By comparison, a "high" quality JPG is less than 90k. Some products (such as the Flamingo) use multiple tif texture maps, with inflates the size of the product. 4) Many of the products are Poser 3 technology: they use pict files as textures, they include differently-colored cr2 files instead of MAT poses, props don't reference external obj files, etc. By comparison, a 5M cr2 file can be stripped down to a 9k MAT pose... again, multiple 5M cr2 files increase the size of the product. 5) The products are shipped on CD. Yes, you get your product on a CD so you have a backup copy, but that doesn't help if you need to finish a client project right now and you can't want 3 or 5 or 7 days for the CD to arrive. --John

I have always had good response and very fast receipt of Lyne's CDs. I am a big fan. Her bunnies and ducks and other animals are wonderful.

I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that Lyne's animals are top notch. You can TELL by the promo pics that they are... People are complaining about the archaic way of distributing them. IMO a valid complaint...

Part of the text from Lyne's FAQ: "Downloading would require a far greater investment in servers, connectivity and software. It also requires far greater maintenance and creates far more customer service issues. These additional expenses would easily double or triple our fixed costs. What is largely overlooked and forgotten is that over and above all of these hardware, and customer service expenses, the cost of connectivity and bandwidth must also be included. Connectivity and bandwidth expenses are incurred whether sales are made or not. All of these costs would then be passed on to the customer in the form of higher prices. These added business expenses would force us to double our pricing and reduce the quality of the products. None of our competitors come close to offering the overall product value that our products do. All of our products are complete and not sold "a la carte" or piecemeal. Most of our products are in fact sets which include multiple textures, accessories and options. This is why our products continue to be the best value for the lowest prices being offered. Just a review of our current inventory shows that our store at the time of this writing has: 41 Products that are between 25 - 49 Mb in size 20 Products that are between 50 - 99 Mb in size 14 Products that are 100 - 199 Mb in size 5 Products that are 200 - 299 Mb in size 4 Products that are 300 - 400 Mb in size Delivering our products via CD allows anyone to readily obtain our products at extremely reasonable prices. Our use of Priority Mail and Global Priority Mail as our standard mode of delivery provides us with coverage to over 60 countries. Domestic US delivery times average 2-3 days from date of shipment with a few extending a day or two longer due to weather or rural addressing. The majority of our orders are processed and shipped the next business day, with a few (less than 5%) being held for 48 hours awaiting final authorization from the credit card issuer. Internationally most of our European customers receive their orders within 4-5 working days from date of shipment. Orders to the UK are traditionally very fast with delivery times of 3-4 days not uncommon. Our shipping charges are also among the lowest of any mail order company offering priority shipping." I've been extremely happy with everything I've bought fom Lyne, (and that's a lot!) Coldrake

I actually emailed Lyne a couple of times about the CD vs. download deal, and did not buy anything from her because of the shipping . Like a lot of folks, I need that instant satisfaction, especially if you need something or the creative urge hits and you need a particular item right away. About a month or so ago, I decided to buy a few items, the ducks, deer textures, and something else I can't even remember. The CD arrived very fast. The products, of course, are very very good. But I agree with the deal that downloading would be the way to go. I can't imagine the cost being all that much anymore. I have a site with up to 5gig storage and 500 gig download per month for $7.99 /month, including free domain for life, a second domain, 10 subdomains, free store with secure credit, blog, gallery, php forum, etc etc etc

Agree about the instant gratification thing. When I buy older items, it's often because I need them immediately.

And JHoagland's experience was much like mine. It was kind of a pain to place all those files by hand. I was kind of surprised the items weren't zipped in the standard manner. I think a newbie might have trouble with that.

the other thing to mention is that everyone else is doing it. not just on brokered sites: xena has her own www.shopwicked.com, and dodger is making his own go of it. poserworld, as was recently very obvious, is only a 3 person affair with the best prices in poserdom. so when i have $20 to choose between moonrose's mill horse textures i can get now and lyne's i can get in several days and pay an extra $7 for, which do you think i end up buying? i don't boycott her stuff, i just always pass it by for products that are easier to obtain. add to that the need to repackage and optimize the materials, and i'll pass despite the quality.

Yeah, but VistaInternet has some stuff you just can't get elsewhere. I want to buy their pigs one of these days. Haven't seen realistic pigs anywhere else.

I am not disputing the quality of her items. I don't know how they look other than what I've seen on her site. However, I have stated above that I had a "wish list" of items that I intended to buy once I returned to work and had more money.

What I am strongly disputing is wanting to buy a $10.00 item, being told I'm being charged nearly 75% of that price in shipping charges, and then having to wait up to 8 weeks (for Canadian delivery) for a CD to arrive in my mail box.

In addition to border processing fees, I live in an apartment building where parcels sent by UPS or Canada Post aren't delivered to your door without great hassel. Most times I have to put up a stink on the phone to have it delivered, or go to the post office myself and pick it up. My health has been bad and I don't drive, and taking a cab to and from the post office costs $15.00. So add that on top of the price of the item, $7.00 for shipping. Can anyone clearly figure out why I have a bee in my bonnet?

Like TrekkieGrrl stated, I remember a post where Lynn mentioned something abour warez. All it takes is someone to copy the file from the CD, put it on their computer, open up a P2P program and share it with the masses. Do you seriously think that forcing people to pay extra in shipping is stopping file sharing of her products? LOL

I don't care how nice she is, or how great her products are. I refuse to pay $7.00 shipping for a $10.00 item and then wait weeks for it to arrive at my door. I also refuse to be pushed into spending more money than I want to just so I can avoid paying shipping charges. Because of that she's lost my current order for $10.00 and whatever future orders I might have made there. I also won't be recommending the site to others as I have in the past because I don't agree with them pushing physical shipping down people's throats. Have it as an option for those who want it like other stores do, but don't push it on everyone.

Oh, and you bet your booties they are making profit off of the shipping of the CD. A friend of mine in the USA sent me a CD in the mail and the total price of shipping was under $5.00.

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Hey -- someone that sells ducks & pigs can't be all bad...........

I suppose that if I needed a realistic pig, then I'd go for the best. 2-3 days ain't a terrible length of wait time, IMO. But -- I have to admit -- in this era of drive-through fast food & instant coffee/tea we've come to hold a different view of time.

Brewed tea tastes better. It takes longer to make it that way: but it's better.

I've never bought anything from Vista. In fact, IIRC I've only visited the site once or twice over several years. But my rare visits have had nothing to do with product delivery policies. It's just that I've never rendered a pig.

Perhaps I should.

BTW - this thread has gotten my attention onto Vista. A business which I had totally ignored heretofore. Perhaps it'll buy something from her now.

Some few individuals found it irritating when I mentioned the "any publicity is good publicity" point in another thread. But what is......is what is. Regardless of what "is" is -- to coin a phrase.

Thanks for starting this thread, and turning me on to Vista in the process.

Message edited on: 02/06/2006 17:55

Oh, they've got a lot more than pigs. Check out the morphs and textures for the MilCat. Nicer looking than DAZ's big cat, IMO.

And they don't just have animals. Check out the food. Produce, home cooking, diner food. Very cheap for what you get. And very well made.

Thanks -- I'll do that. I wonder if their diner food is any cheaper than it is at that place around the corner? In any case, it's probably better made........... ;)

Probably tastes better, too.

I went with the Poser Pros package.

I'm suddenly reminded of another thread.

Well, if setting up a server will actually cost more per item than $7 shipping, Im starting to wonder how DAZ and Rendo can make a profit from all their $5, $10 and even %15 items.

Remember they get "only" 50% of the purchase price, while the other half goes to the merchant. Gee, now we know why Rendo cant afford faster servers. ;-)

Usually, if something is cheap, its the quality that suffers.
But I really cant remember anybody ever complaining about those 4000 X 4000 jpg textures that are standard for character packages as not being high-rez enough.More to the contrary, often people are advised to reduce the texture resolutions for faster renders.

And somehow I doubt Poser 6 would be happy if you tried to render a flock of Ducks with each one having a different 5mb uncompressed pict texture attached.

Now Lynes products DO look nice, but reading jhoaglands post it looks like one has to spend a considerable time converting textures and also creating ones own MATs on top of that to bring them up to current standards.

I can also only second Acadia about international shipping.
A small item sent via airmail MIGHT take a week from the US to Germany, but it also might as easily take two months two arrive. Not to mention import taxes and brokerage fees if the item doesnt "slip through" German Customs.

Most purchases in Poserland are "impulse" purchases, thats just how things are. People see a thing, got the idea for a nice render, and just buy it to use it NOW.
Not in a week or two.
Are we spoilt ?
Not at all. The internet was created to distribute non-physical goods.
Insisting to actually ship a downloadable item is like refusing to make a telephone call and sending a recording of your voice instead.

You might eventually reach the same goal of communicating with the person youd otherwise would have just called, but it will take much longer and be extremely inconvenient.
But then again, some people might think that their voice doesnt sound nice enough through a telephone.

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As for warez, well, Im sure the less sales you have the lesser your risk is of being warezd.
And it looks like Lyne (Despite the quality of their morphs and textures which I dont dispute), does all she can to keep her risk of being warezd as low as possible.

;-)

stahlratte

Message edited on: 02/07/2006 00:00

I have bought quite a few of Vista Net's products, and will buy more animals again soon, and as someone pointed out above if you buy more than $30 worth of product, shipping is free. I live in Australia, and I have always received my cd's within a couple of days. They are all quality products. Don't forget too they have a FAQ page for tips on using in P5/6. I have always found Lyne very helpful, always answers my questions promtly. I just hope her health improves so she can get on with making more products for the future for her maps and morphs are always so good. Don't let all the above turn you off Vista Net Products, cause you are missing out on a real treat. Jan

Here is part of what I'm working on and why I needed the rug. I ran off a render and put it on a background in PSP for the time being. It won't be the background used once the whole scene is done. I'm still considering my options as to what else I want to put in, and an appropriate background.

Any ideas and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Quote - They are all quality products

No one is disputing the quality of the items. Quality or not, I'll never give them my money with their "current" shipping policy. Why should I pay $7.00 for shipping when I can spend that $7.00 in someone's store getting an item from my wish list? And when I only want something for $10.00 why should I have to buy more stuff than what I want so I don't literally throw my money away in postage?! Not offering their products via download as ALL of the other Poser stores do is archaic and not very pro active to selling their products.

I think this needs repeating: From the "explanation page" on their site: 41 Products that are between 25 - 49 Mb in size 20 Products that are between 50 - 99 Mb in size 14 Products that are 100 - 199 Mb in size 5 Products that are 200 - 299 Mb in size 4 Products that are 300 - 400 Mb in size This is the size of the uncompressed folders. As I mentioned earlier, the 20M "Flamingo" folders can compress to under 9M... and even less when you convert the tif files to jpg. I'm fairly certain that the "400 Mb" product could be cleaned-up and compressed to under 20M, which is below even Renderosity's maximum file size for products. My hosting company gives me 50G of bandwidth and 500M disk space for $7.95 a month. The sale of one product more than pays for this expense. So, how is server space even an issue? The second issue: please don't confuse the niceness of a merchant for product quality. I've talked to Lyne and will agree that she is a very nice person and I'm sure she'll go out of her way to help people. But this doesn't change the fact that she doesn't zip the files, she uses tifs as textures, and so on. The opposite is also true: merchants with excellent products may be complete jerks when it comes to customer support. Does that mean their products are bad? Not at all- some of the "jerk" merchants may even have products in the top 10 best-seller list! --John

Acadia - I'd suggest two tall brass/gold candlestands with white candles on either side of the screen. (Well I like candles anyway). Stahlratte, you said: "The internet was created to distribute non-physical goods." No it wasn't created for distributing goods at all, but rather it was created for distributing information. The electronic goods in dataform has just been a very nice and handy perk that came along with it.