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Subject: Fantasy: Elves


simonrichter ( ) posted Tue, 21 February 2006 at 5:23 AM ยท edited Fri, 22 November 2024 at 3:40 PM

Attached Link: http://http://www.misterpoll.com/3205526310.html

Hello everybody,

I love fantasy and just wondered about your vision of elves. Please visit my poll at

http://www.misterpoll.com/3205526310.html

Greetings,

Stephanie


simonrichter ( ) posted Tue, 21 February 2006 at 5:25 AM

Attached Link: http://www.misterpoll.com/3205526310.html

of course its just ONE http:// ;-)


Acadia ( ) posted Tue, 21 February 2006 at 12:53 PM

I did the poll. Interesting results. Seems most follow the Tolkien vision.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi



willowelf ( ) posted Tue, 21 February 2006 at 6:11 PM

Yup, took the poll and seems most folks look at elves Tolkien style. Not me tho hehe


Acadia ( ) posted Tue, 21 February 2006 at 6:16 PM

I do because my only other frame of reference for them is "Santa's Elves" with pointy hats; pointy toes with curled tips; fat/round and short.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi



Elminster_ZK ( ) posted Tue, 21 February 2006 at 6:22 PM

Santa's elves aren't really elves at all - they're gnomes!

"Walk down the right back alley in Sin City, and you can find anything."


Khai ( ) posted Tue, 21 February 2006 at 8:29 PM

Content Advisory! This message contains violence

Attached Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elf_%28Discworld%29

naw.. these are Elves.. nasty little buggers..


Acadia ( ) posted Tue, 21 February 2006 at 8:38 PM

That's a link of text. Do you have one with a picture?

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi



Khai ( ) posted Tue, 21 February 2006 at 8:47 PM

erm.. no. you see whatever I show you would be wrong. Discworld Elves project Glamour. what you see them as aint' what I would see them as. And what you see them as would be all the better to draw you closer.. so that they can play with you and those nicely sharp flint knives they have.. (ps it's from a series of books with little artwork in them as well. if you want the artwork, you have to buy the GURPS Discworld Rules or Art of the Discworld book)


Acadia ( ) posted Tue, 21 February 2006 at 9:05 PM

Never heard of it.

"It is good to see ourselves as others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to say." - Ghandi



Khai ( ) posted Tue, 21 February 2006 at 9:50 PM ยท edited Tue, 21 February 2006 at 9:51 PM

well the Discworld is a series of nearly 30 books by the Author Terry Pratchett, (one of the biggest authors in the UK).

sahme you've not heard of his work. you should check it out. it's a wonderful read.

Message edited on: 02/21/2006 21:51


simonrichter ( ) posted Wed, 22 February 2006 at 6:01 AM

Attached Link: http://www.misterpoll.com/poll.mpl?id=2362003437

Yeah, Discworlds great. But as you mentioned, the DW elves are not quite friendly...


hauksdottir ( ) posted Wed, 22 February 2006 at 8:21 AM

It isn't worth taking the poll, since you have completely left out the original elves! Real elves. alfar ok aesir... the elves and the gods. The elves were BEFORE the gods of Norse mythology and are higher-ranking, more powerful creatures. There are also dark elves, with several similarities to dwarves, but again, more powerful. The gods meddled in human lives occasionally (although not as much as did the Greek gods), but the elves are barely mentioned in the stories... they usually didn't even meddle in the affair of gods and giants. Tolkien was, of course, familiar with the original elves, as well as the devolved creatures of fairytales. His elves are fine enough, but rather too human in their concerns and a bit too solid. There are entire classes of mythological beings, from the radiant high elves to the farm guardians to the mischievous pixies all lumped together now into simpering butterfly-winged girl-children wearing flower pasties. bah! to quote from Puck of Pook's Hill: ********************* "'No. You talk about "the People of the Hills", but you never say "fairies",' said Una. 'I was wondering at that. Don't you like it?' 'How would you like to be called "mortal" or "human being" all the time?' said Puck; 'or "son of Adam" or "daughter of Eve"?' 'I shouldn't like it at all,' said Dan. 'That's how the Djinns and Afrits talk in the Arabian Nights.' 'And that's how I feel about saying - that word that I don't say. Besides, what you call them are made-up things the People of the Hills have never heard of - little buzzflies with butterfly wings and gauze petticoats, and shiny stars in their hair, and a wand like a schoolteacher's cane for punishing bad boys and rewarding good ones. I know 'em!' 'We don't mean that sort,'said Dan. 'We hate 'em too.' 'Exactly,' said Puck. 'Can you wonder that the People of the Hills don't care to be confused with that painty- winged, wand-waving, sugar-and-shake-your-head set of impostors? Butterfly wings, indeed! I've seen Sir Huon and a troop of his people setting off from Tintagel Castle for Hy-Brasil in the teeth of a sou'-westerly gale, with the spray flying all over the Castle, and the Horses of the Hills wild with fright. Out they'd go in a lull, screaming like gulls, and back they'd be driven five good miles inland before they could come head to wind again. Butterfly-wings! It was Magic - Magic as black as Merlin could make it, and the whole sea was green fire and white foam with singing mermaids in it. And the Horses of the Hills picked their way from one wave to another by the lightning flashes! That was how it was in the old days!' **************** and those elves of Kipling aren't even as glorious as the original elves!!!!! Carolly


Khai ( ) posted Wed, 22 February 2006 at 8:45 AM

"painty- winged, wand-waving, sugar-and-shake-your-head set of impostors" no no I prefer 'Pantywaisted Dandilion Eaters with Glamrock Hair' see the best way to treat the 'Pretty Boy Elves' in Grunts!.... More roast anyone?


puredigital101 ( ) posted Wed, 22 February 2006 at 9:49 AM

i guess to get a true vision of elves you have to go back to the very first account of them that will be where the true vision lies everything else after that will be wrong though i still like to see them as tokien did


archdruid ( ) posted Thu, 23 February 2006 at 11:22 AM

From what I know, Elves exist in a dozen separate mythologies.... some are pretty bad, some are helpful, and the size changes according to the particular group you're looking at, too. Personally, I like the Pictsies..... ESPECIALLY the business with the cat, in "Hatful of sky" and the sheep.... zipping along, barely moving a muscle.... I almost fell out of my chair, laughing so hard..... still laugh about it. Lou.

"..... and that was when things got interestiing."


hauksdottir ( ) posted Thu, 23 February 2006 at 7:59 PM

Khai, Glam rock hair? Actually, the Goblin King in Labyrinth looks pretty yummy! The power to alter time and space... and David Bowie can sing, too. :) Carolly


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