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Subject: Search results showing first line - need to show thread title instead
Also, if you do the above search (which is an "older than 45 days search") it look like the date and time is totally bogus.
Renderosity forum reply notifications are wonky. If I read a follow-up in a thread, but I don't myself reply, then notifications no longer happen AT ALL on that thread. So if I seem to be ignoring a question, that's why. (Updated September 23, 2019)
The whole search function is completely useless!!!! Relevancy?!!!! What the heck is that? I should be the one to determine the relevancy of what I'm searching, not a search feature. Also, you can't search by user name now either.
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
Quote - "Bagginsbill, I agree, we need to see thread title, not the first line! "
I put my vote in for that too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
Quote - "The whole search function is completely useless!!!! Relevancy?!!!! What the heck is that? I should be the one to determine the relevancy of what I'm searching, not a search feature. Also, you can't search by user name now either. "
Any time you search in Google, MSN, Yahoo, Ask Jeeves, etc ... a search feature determines the relevancy of each result and sorts them by this. This is no different. Relevancy is calculated by 1) how many times the search query shows up in a result 2) how close to the beginning of the body it is 3) whether or not it's in the subject line (highes priority) 4) how many elements of the message it shows up in. We're working on the bugs y'all are having. Thread subjects will show up in response search results in a bit. The memory overload errors we're having are about to be solved. But we will not be allowing user's to search for other user's posts. This is to prevent people from basically following other people around and harassing them in the forums. Nicholas
-Nicholas
"But we will not be allowing user's to search for other user's posts. This is to prevent people from basically following other people around and harassing them in the forums. " that decision renders searching for say Dr Geeps posts or for Mec4D's tutorials useless. and those 2 are just examples. sorry, but thats taking things to a paranoid level and means what are the Admins and Moderators doing? since stopping that behaviour is part of their jobs! who do we complain to over this? since trying to deal with you we get this excuse and the other admins here are basically saying nothing at all.
Tonight I wanted to search for some threads so that I could look up some answers for fellow posters, and I knew the name of a couple of posters who had posted in them. Looking up my own posts isn't going to help me any because I'm a blabber mouth and have way too many posts to my credit to look through. However, it would have been very easy for me to find the threads if I were to have free reign to search how I want, the way the forum was before the change, and before you turned off 1/2 of the search function of the old forum. What's wrong with letting us search by thread name? What's wrong with letting us search by "word string"? What's wrong with letting us search by user name? I'm not at all satisfied with the answer given to us about user name search. Since when did this become the CIA? When I search for something in a forum I depend on certain things to help me find what I'm looking for: 1. Thread Name; 2. Remembering approximate time period the thread was created; 3. User Name; 4. Key words from the thread subject title or remembering something posted within the thread itself. All of those help me find what I need via search. I don't recall a time when I couldn't find what I was looking for until you turned off 1/2 of the search function before the change. Now since the forum change over I can't find anything at all!!!!!! A) You've killed off #1. Now the search pulls up the first line of the thread, which is totally, totally useless when trying to search anything. Even if you have pulled up the thread you want you'll never know because there is no thread title; B) You've killed off #2. The results are no longer sorted chronilogically, and instead by "relevence", which means that what I am seeking could be on page 10 of the search results, only I'll never know because I can't see the title of the thread I'm looking for! C) You've killed off #3. And according to a recent post by a site admin, it was an "executive decision" and done on purpose and not coming back. D) You've killed #4. See A, B and C above. As I've stated numerous times now. The search feature of this forum has been rendered completely useless. You may as well turn if off altogether and save on server speed for all the good it is in the state that it's in. Am I mad? You bet! And I'm also very, very frustrated.
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
Keep in mind that thread subjects have ALWAYS shown up ... on the thread results. The thread title has been there fromt he beginning. It was the reply results that it showed the first line as the subject. So if you were seeing the first line, you were actually seeing a reply, not a thread. I have, however, fixed that and you will now see "Re: [thread name]" in reply search-results titles. I'm just waiting until i finish the rest of these search fixes and package them up to change things over here. Also keep in mind that before the new forums, search was not enabled at all for non-moderators. So, even if you say this search is useless for you, it is more useful than the time you didn't have a search at all. Disallowing search by username was NOT a matter of paranoia. It was based on the fact that when the old forums had a search, users really WERE hunting down other users and harassing them. It became a serious problem that partially led to the decision to turn the search off altogether. Remember that, while ten or twenty users being harassed isn't that many in 30,000 forum users, it IS a big deal when you have a much SMALLER number of moderators to deal with the problem. And we have less time to spend monitoring other areas of the forums when we spend so much time policing harassment. This was not my decision. Ultimately, I agree with and stand by the decision that was handed down to me, but it was not my decision to make. Originally, the new search allowed searching by username, but it was decided that it was best left a mod/coord/admin feature only. I will address your concerns to the rest of the admin team and offer some ideas that I have to them that might enable us to prevent these problems and still allow you to search by username. Things will improve. We can't fix everything over night. We've got a thousand people breathing down our necks 
. sNw
-Nicholas
"Also keep in mind that before the new forums, search was not enabled at all for non-moderators. So, even if you say this search is useless for you, it is more useful than the time you didn't have a search at all." The search WAS enabled in the old forum since this site existed, and when it was disabled a few months ago we were told it was to help bandwith ? Now you say it was disabled because a few people felt HARRASSED ? And now YEARS of Poser data and history in the archive have been looked away from the public because you cant deal with a few trolls ? Thats it. Whatever was left of the Poser community, its gone.. Without a proper search this is no serious Poser forum anymore. Its just a place where people can have a little chitchat between shopping in the marketplace and coo about the latest top20 render. But as they say....give them enough rope...
I want us to have a member poll regarding the search feature and the ability to search by user name.
"It is good to see ourselves as
others see us. Try as we may, we are never
able to know ourselves fully as we
are, especially the evil side of us.
This we can do only if we are not
angry with our critics but will take in good
heart whatever they might have to
say." - Ghandi
"Disallowing search by username was NOT a matter of paranoia. It was based on the fact that when the old forums had a search, users really WERE hunting down other users and harassing them. It became a serious problem that partially led to the decision to turn the search off altogether. Remember that, while ten or twenty users being harassed isn't that many in 30,000 forum users, it IS a big deal when you have a much SMALLER number of moderators to deal with the problem. And we have less time to spend monitoring other areas of the forums when we spend so much time policing harassment. " or "No, no, no, i'm NOT saying it was closed BECAUSE of the harassment. I'm saying that, from what I was told, that contributed to the decision. But the MAIN reason, yes, was bandwidth. It was slowing things down tremendously." which is it. can' be both. ethier way you've made the search useless. turn it off.
Idiocy In Action. Period. I have to say, though, I love the way you utlize something that was active for only a short time (the removal of search capabilities in the old forums) as justification for a continuation of what was, without question, a case of idiocy in action. These are forums we're talking about. They are a text based medium. As such, they should be subject to greater search capabilities, with finer granularity, not less. Without an effective search engine, you have, as noted in several threads, lol, basically rendered the entire concept of forums in which learning is supposed to go on (and i'd pull up a good eight dozen examples of that being the corporate policy regarding the purpose of the forums if the search function was even partially effective for a search of that nature) worthless insofar as renderosity is concerned. At this point, the only value they have is for short term issues -- meaning that if someone actually wants to learn something by asking a question, they'll have to ask it again and again and again, becuase the answers will be even more impossible to find and effect than they ever were before. Get off your high horse and go abck and look at the code for the original search engine system and actually work at making it work better, not crippling it.
thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)
actually Ynsean it's more telling than that. Bondware can't do the job. it's that simple. they advertise that it can, but in practice a client would be better off going elsewhere for cheaper and better software / service.. slow responses. crippled search facilites. out of date design. thats what this is all saying to a client. add in poor management... tis a bad bad situation.
What's incredible, to me, is that the software that they are obviously emulating, has an incredibly responsive and extremely fine grained search capability that's much more effective than the one they've designed themselves. It can handle a greater load than theirs can, apparently. Its also far more extensible -- and by laymen who have little or no actual experience or knowledge of the methods by which it functions. I will say one thing, though -- williamsn is handling the critcisim pretty well -- he hasn't come out frothing quite yet. Clint's gotta be thrilled to not be on the hotseat for this one....
thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)
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In the Poser forum, we have been enjoying the work of Anton and others who have made it a tradition that if somebody posts really good thread about complex material room techniques, we mark it with AKMaterialRoomBookmark. The new forum search has rendered this useless. When you search for AKMaterialRoomBookmark, the title of EVERY result is the first line of the response, which is, in fact, AKMaterialRoomBookmark, followed by the first line of the post which is AKMaterialRoomBookmark. So the results look like this: Last Modified: Monday, May 16, 2005 9:44 am / Forum: Poser / User: Rance01 AKmaterialroombookmark Relevancy: 81.9% AKmaterialroombookmark Last Modified: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:42 am / Forum: Poser / User: byAnton AKmaterialroombookmark Relevancy: 81.9% AKmaterialroombookmark Last Modified: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:40 am / Forum: Poser / User: byAnton :) AKmaterialroombookmark Relevancy: 81.9% :) AKmaterialroombookmark Last Modified: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 10:51 pm / Forum: Poser / User: byAnton AKmaterialroombookmark Relevancy: 81.9% AKmaterialroombookmark Last Modified: Sunday, May 1, 2005 3:46 pm / Forum: Poser / User: byAnton AKmaterialroombookmark Relevancy: 81.9% AKmaterialroombookmark Last Modified: Sunday, May 1, 2005 3:41 pm / Forum: Poser / User: byAnton AKmaterialroombookmark Relevancy: 81.9% AKmaterialroombookmark Last Modified: Sunday, May 1, 2005 3:39 pm / Forum: Poser / User: byAnton AKmaterialroombookmark Relevancy: 81.9% AKmaterialroombookmark Last Modified: Sunday, May 1, 2005 3:37 pm / Forum: Poser / User: byAnton AKmaterialroombookmark Relevancy: 81.9% AKmaterialroombookmark Last Modified: Sunday, May 1, 2005 3:35 pm / Forum: Poser / User: byAnton AKmaterialroombookmark Relevancy: 81.9% AKmaterialroombookmark Last Modified: Sunday, May 1, 2005 3:34 pm / Forum: Poser / User: byAnton AKmaterialroombookmark Relevancy: 81.9% AKmaterialroombookmark Last Modified: Sunday, May 1, 2005 3:30 pm / Forum: Poser / User: byAnton
Renderosity forum reply notifications are wonky. If I read a follow-up in a thread, but I don't myself reply, then notifications no longer happen AT ALL on that thread. So if I seem to be ignoring a question, that's why. (Updated September 23, 2019)