Finally done making a morph pack for Shahara's Gloria and I was packing up the morphs, and making the PMD injectors and all...

BUT...

Some of the morphs here are Full Body Morphs, stuff like Hips Narrow, Navel Gone, Spandex morphs and so on. And they're just not there when I load the injection pose.

Well, they're there, on each body part of course, but that isn't practical. A morph like Nails Long is certainly better as a full body morph where you only need to dial ONE dial instead of 10. >_<

SO.. is there something I've overlooked? CAN they be injected at all? (I know FBM's are somewhat strange in regards to Morph Manager as well)

As Shahara forbids ANY sort of CR2 distribution, I can't just make a morph carrier, I have to make the morphs injectable. And since it's otherwise so easy to use a PMD for it (although of course it limits the morphs to P6 users...) I took that route, like I did with the Clark, Koji and James morphs.

But on those three, I never made anything but face morphs so the problem hasn't arised before. Now, however, I DO have a problem. HELP, PLEASE!

Alternatively... is there an EASY way to convert some 130 morphs into "normal" injectables? (ie not someting that requires me to write all the data for each morph - that's beyond my patience-level)

That's not an easy task and make it by hand will take you forever (believe me I have done it that way!). Maybe you should give a try to a utility like PoserEdit or Injection Pose Magic.

Regarding the "normal" morphs, well you just need to go back to the cr2 that has the morphs loaded, if you didn't save it without the "save pmd's" (you should begin to save one with no pmd) you will have to reload the morphs but PoserEdit could ease this process. Kuroyume has a utility to revert the pmd I haven't used it but the injection files still needs to be do at another app or by hand.

BTW you can go the morph carrier way, it doesn't get in conflict with the restriction of Shahara. First a morph carrier is a pz2, then it just have the actor name and the targetGeoms or valueParms, that's all.

Of course that you need to clean the cr2 and turn it to a pz2 otherwise it wouldn't be a morph carrier and besides the bodymorphs wouldn't show at morph manager if you leave it as a cr2.

PM

Wish I could help ya but I didn't buy Gloria. Frankly I haven't been happy with Clark because of the restrictions Shahara has placed on him. Seems counter productive when he's expecting other people like yourself to do all themorph work and then restricts how you can distribute that work. It's just too much effort for the return you're going to get from it to me.

I don't think that there are a lot of restrictions (I could be wrong on this) I believe he is using the same scheme of DAZ, you know, the figure with empty channels and the no redistribution of the cr2.

I think that he is failing in two things, #1 he is to not providing and easy way to do the INJ-REM for the masses, like DAZ did with IPB in order to use such scheme. And #2 he gave custom names (his own) to the empty channels, with this I mean that if he used the conventional names like PBMCC it would at least be possible to use the current applications of V3 to do the INJ-REM files. That could ease the process of making custom characters for Gloria or Clark and more products could be done for them.

But in the end the people who want to do products for Gloria or Clark will find a way (buy PoserEdit or Injection Magic and you are done) so I guess it is only a matter of time.

PM

Hmm... I think I have InjectionMagic somewhere. I have a bad habit of buing loads of Poser-related applications and then forget all about them :lol:

And PoserEdit.. you made that, right? I think I bought that recently actually. goes to check downloads

Shahara does NOT provide a Blank CR2, which is part of the problem, I could just go the MorphManager way with such a creature. He also (I asked, in regards to Clark) forbit any creation of a blank character (but I'm not sure he can actually inforce that though, it wouldn't need to hold ANY Gloria-specific information as far as I know)

And yes, his naming scheme is obnoxious. Actually, Blacksmith, which is what I use to make the morphs, CAN create the injectors automatically. But it's annoying and time-consuming to search thru the CR2 to find that AH! here's a NOSE morph injection channel, and Ah! Here's an Eyelid injection channel.... (ok perhaps not eyeLID but eye at least.. WTF is wrong with simple HEAD channels?!)
Besides, I want to be able to inject the whole lot at once, not one by one, that would tryly be annoying when we're talking 130+ morphs...

I do like Shahara's characters, because they're easy to morph, the mesh is very cooperative, but.. OMG the CR2 certainly is NOT...

I'll go look at my various proggies and see if one of them can do the trick.

And I did save a "normal" CR2, for the Morph Groups and such :) So that part is ok.

Oops, my mistake, it was Poser File Editor I bought recently.. Mmmm.. Wonder what THAT can do then?

I found out that Poser File Editor can indeed make the injections. But file-by file.

I thought I had Injection Magic, but apparently not, so I just bought that :) Good thing Daz just gave us that ArtZone voucher :D

The mistake was mine the app is Pose File Editor not Poser Edit! Sorry Dimension 3d!

"But it's annoying and time-consuming to search thru the CR2 to find that AH! here's a NOSE morph injection channel, and Ah! Here's an Eyelid injection channel"

I know what you mean, it's a tedious task but I have take a look on the cr2 of Gloria and he just have two names, targetGeom FACE_xx (for the head) and targetGeom MORPH_xx (for everything else) so maybe Injection Magic could be the one to go. If I remember correctly it should use the morph channels of the figure automatically.

I left Injection Magic because now there is no support for it and it can induce errors in the injection files, like brackets unclosed which Poser overrides but that are there. I don't know if there is an update, will check and see.

If you have the cr2 with the morphs on Gloria already then and Injection Magic then you are ok.

PM

Hmm... well I just tried Injection Magic and while it apparently work, it has created a very nice looking inj- and rem- pose that SEEMS to take all the morphs and load them - and I checked the !TG folder it's referring to, and the individual morphs are there as well and look fine as far as I can see :bored: - BUT.. clicking the inj just does nothing at all. It chews for a while, then nothing. No new morphs are injected and I REALLY can't figure out WHY :sad:

There are more than just HEAD channels in the head btw.. Also brow and forehead and eye and nose and mouth and whatnot. The FACE are for full faces it seems, and there's not enough of those.

I do think I've found a way though. A sort of hybrid between my preferred (because it's so easy) PMD injection for the head and "normal" injections for the body. Blacksmith can create those. I'll have a try.

And thanks for the help Posermatic, :m_grin: and sorry for confusing you with Dimension3D btw.

It's good to hear that you had found a way that works! I personally do all my morphs with custom injection channels and add then by using a python script if they are for P6 people but I try to use whenever possible regular Injection files because they are easier to work with if you need to change one or fine tune another. With PMD's you have to do all the process again.

Yes, there are more than one type of morph channels but you can use all the 45 Face channels and then the next chunk of empty channels, like the scalp ones. I seriously doubt that somebody will release a set of scalps only for her so you could end up with 60 consecutive channels for use with I.Magic.

Wish you luck, you make excellent morphs and Gloria certainly need some.

Have a happy sunday

PM

I recently purchased Gloria and have zero background with making morphs other then the simplistic dial tuning. I was taken aback by the empty channels and have no clue what I am supposed to do to give her a custom shape.

I am not asking for a tutorial on the matter but I was wondering if someone could advise me as to what program and/or tools I need to have and use in order to make adjustments to the cr2 and inj and rem poses. The only program I recognize from this discussion is IPB and from what I have read I assume that it will not be of any use to me.