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Subject: Oil and America my latest image I hope makes you think...
Taht was a very cool flic. But I agree with pak I woudl think you court controversy. I am in agreement but as an individual feel powerless to change. So I got the hell out of the way.
The wit of a misplaced ex-patriot.
I cheated on my metaphysics exam by looking into the soul of the
person next to me.
I think it will cause considerably less controversy than " Farenheight 911" (sp).
And we already know it was about control of the price of oil - at .$3.00 a gallon there can be no doubt. " weapons of mouse distraction" - what pre-deranged newspeak sacrificedemanding obscure goddess worshipping wordmonger workin for the skull and bones doing low level pencil pushing geek bein having the intellect of a four year old indibiating thought of that?
Reminds me of the time this girl scout asked me for dree-fibby. Three dollars and fifty cents I says? well it was about that time that I realized that the girlscout was about five stories tall and looked alot like the Loch Ness Monster . . .(from SouthPark)
good luck with your controversy,
-TJ 8:-)
Great picture! I agree with your concepts!
BTW: I live in Italy... here on today the oil is $1,867 USD at liter ($ 7,05 USD at gallon), and we in Europe don't earn with our work like North Americans!!
So we really dream the oil at $ 3.00 at gallon!
If USA will reach the oil price at $ 7,05 USD at gallon, do they will start the third world war just to go around in the streets with SUVs and consuming all the energy resources in the world?
Just try to start from NOW to consume less!!!!!!!!!
£4.54 a gallon (UKsterling - you do the math)
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Yeah Pakled that's the way they express it ovr there. also their million is our billion.Wierd huh?
Yes I am sure Europeans have long been envious of what we pay at the pump in the U.S. . My point is that since the Bush Wars we've been paying morel fuel costs have doubled I'd imagine they've gone up there too ... and with gas at 14 cents a gallon in Brazil the last I heard, I'd say we've been bamboozled.
BTW:
If I consumed any less they'd be paying me at the pump - now there's a thought.
-TJ (in Fresno it's 112F right now - if the heat don't kill me the electric bill will.)
Global Warming Lizard controlled conspiracy!
What would be amazing is a comparison of how much it would cost to put several Hydrogen pumps in each city and a few in each minor city and build that infrastructure (we are building in Iraq) here. I wonder what the numbers would come out as. Would we have spent more on the War or building a future? Not saying that Saddam did not need to be taken out but just curious of what that out come would have been.
back to my little rubber pool...
112 here is about ten degrees hotter than normal.
about hydrogen - nice Idea but not cost effective. you spend more fuel making it than it is worth; technological research to improve the cost efficiency of making hydrogen is definately in order.
If Saddam hadn't been taken out of power? Iraqis would be sitting in airconditioned homes doing their devotionals and their only fear would be that if saddam dies one of his sons would take over. Their infrastructure would still be there and less people would be dead.The price of oil would be around 20.00 less a barrel and Americans lives would be better for it. I can't say for certain that Iraqts would be better off - but then you don't hear from them much unless some news channel gets a yada up their chacha and tries to pervert our sensibilities with their hopla.
This is my actually family car (the righ one), is a SMART car. Its length of 250cm (98.4 in) but it can easly take on board people more that 2 meters high, and its lugagge capacity is also great because it is developed in hight.
SMART is a brand of microcar, based in Germany, the company is part of Daimler Chrysler/Mercedes (read it as QUALITY car).
The car can reach in SECONDS the speed of 130 Km/hour (80.78 Miles/hour), and it is one of the most safe car of the world as you can see form this video representing a Crash Test with a Smart (from YouTube).
The Smart has better-than-average fuel efficiency. The "Americanized" version modified by Zap Motors has been rated by the American EPA at 40 miles per gallon.
It is claimed that the Smart is designed to have a low environmental impact in other ways as well, such as being designed with recycling in mind.
In USA it cost upwards of $6500 from Zap Motors (almost the same as in Europe).
I pay it in rates around $150 a month, and this is the second SMART car that I buy (the first one had a great DIESEL engine).
The insurance and the circulation tax (yes we have it in Europe) is the lowest possible price in the car market, as its fuel consumption.
So, you Americans, keep ride the streets with your SUVs, consumings tons of fuel each year (one person per SUV is the rule), but remember that you don't eat fuel, you don't play with fuel, you don't pay your vacation with fuel nor your house rates...
duo,
One thing you have to keep in mind is that getting in traffic accidents is the great American pastime- even more so than baseball. personally I don't have a whole lotta love for either sport.
We keep getting safety drilled into out heads - the latest round of commercials are for SUVs produced by none other than you guessed it Daimler Chrysler/Mercedes. (see the Dr. Z commercials.)
I think most Americans would be scared to death to actually drive something like that unfortunate but true. As an aside it is humorous to think of the two best Armored tank companies of world war ii Chrysler and Daimler Benz would merge only to make something like you pictured. Well at least it encloses the driver so there is probably more protection than most motorcycles even if it falls short of their fuel efficiency..
Don't get me wrong fuel efficiency is very important and as cold as it gets in Germany you don't always want to be out and about on a motorcycle in the middle of the winter. I just don't see americans driving those things.
That's true, Euro safety measures (called ncap) are aimed at impact expected on our roads, so smart car getting a side impact from say a family saloon or estate would be fine, I wouldn't like to be in one if it was hit by a hummer or one of those enormous Rexton things I saw last time I was in the states......
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SMART cars do make alot of sense, but as for them catching on here in the states, I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon. It's been drilled into our heads for too long that "bigger is better" and this translates into the bigger it is, the more prosperous and important it's owner is. thinking like that is hard to change overnight, although, if gas at the pump gets near $4 a gal. than, maybe "overnight" might not be that far away. Its funny when you think about the latest car commercials that now are featuring cars that get around 30 miles a gal. When back in the seventies and eighties after the big oil embargo of the mid seventies and prices at the pump went from 40 cents a gallon to over a dollar. The same car companies had commericals promoting cars that would get 55 miles to the gallon. Fuel effeciency was on everyones mind, but then, people seemed to become bored with saving money on gas and the era of the bigger and still bigger yet SUV's came into fashion. With the latest jump in prices from around $1.79 (here in Dayton, Ohio last year) to the current $3.09 of today, I've noticed that there are alot fewer Hummers on the road. In fact, I can't even remember the last time that I saw one, except, there is a commercial for one of those online used car selling sites on the TV, and they have a photo of a nice big yellow one right next to their logo. Anyway....I just love laughing at all the stupid people as they scurry to rid themselves of the very things that they were so proud of showing off to everyone else, just yesterday.
How does this sound for tres stupid - high polish low profile mags on a Lincoln Navigator?! There's one parked next to the hummer down the street from me right now. I let the dog pee on them (grin).
Those Smart cars are doing well here in Montreal (approx $3.90(US)/gal (US) here).
Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!
Perhaps I do not explain it well, or you don't read my reply so...
GO TO THIS WEB PAGE (the link will open a new window):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju6t-yyoU8s
AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE VIDEO, IT DISPLAY A SMART CAR THAT DO A FRONTAL IMPACT AT VERY HIGH SPEED ON A CONCRETE BARRIER... AFTER THAT YOU CAN TALK AGAIN ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THIS CAR... :)
Quote - If USA will reach the oil price at $ 7,05 USD at gallon, do they will start the third world war just to go around in the streets with SUVs and consuming all the energy resources in the world?/quote] That's a load of crap.
Fact is North America produces more energy than it consumes. Only continent that can say that (except Australia). We don't waste the energy, we produce it. Other people waste it, Europe most of all.
Maybe it would be better to discuss how the rest of the world could try to supply enough energy and food to care for their own people than to try and scapegoat North America with useless false stereotypes.
Where do you get off talking about America starting a World War?
We didn't start WWI or WWII, you did (ever hear of Mussolini and his good buddy Adolf Hitler?). We ended it.
Let's add provide self security to self sustaining energy and food production.
Then we can talk about joyriding, SUV driving, gas hogging Americans.
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Quote - Fact is North America produces more energy than it consumes. /quote
dear **dvlenk6
**I really don't know where you take this informations about North America energy use...
Just take a look at this chart...
The world oil market daily produces 82 million barrels. (one barrel equals 42 gallons)
The United States, with 5% of the world's population, daily consumes over 20 million barrels or 25% of the world's total.
And, America consumes 3 times more oil than it produces.
The chart shows U.S. oil consumption has climbed to a record high (black line on chart) to 7.6 billion barrels per year (20.7 million daily).
Meanwhile, U.S. oil production (red line on chart) declined to a 55-year low (since 1950 when America had 144 million fewer citizens) to just 1.9 billion barrels per year (5.2 million daily) ...
RESULTING IN A 75% CONSUMPTION-TO PRODUCE GAP
(inventory adjustments not shown) requiring soaring imports from other nations (blue line on chart) while reserves of import sources decline.
Meanwhile, U.S. oil reserves are declining, with 4-10 years remaining if feasible to use every known drop and no alternatives appear close to filling much of the increasing gap.
Additionally U.S. natural gas production has flattened, reserves are falling and imports are rising. consumption-to-production gap.
Consider this > With record trade deficits and declining manufacturing one would expect U.S. oil consumption to be steadily declining, since more and more goods consumed in the U.S. are created with energy from other nations. But, consumption continues to rise. Additionally, average fuel efficiency in 2004 was 6% less than 20 years ago for personal autos and trucks. 50 years ago America produced half the world’s oil and was a net exporter of oil, yet today cannot produce even half its needs.
So... for USA the only way to obtain more energy coming from some fossil product (oil or natural gas) without spending money (because the deficit) but maintaining the same level of consumes is to get it with some kind of "force" or "control" (or both) from other countries.
Quote - Where do you get off talking about America starting a World War? /quote
As you know we are in the 21st century, the second world war is buried in the history, Hitler Mussolini and Stalin are ash and all the world is VERY different. Also Noth American are very different form the '40... I am not antiAmerican but I mourn those Americans of the '40 and their liberty spirit.
THE ONLY OTHER WAY IS TO START NOW TO CONSUME LESS...
or, if you want to mantain your life style as it is, just start to be really IMPERIALIST without cover your imperialism behind some false good will... at least it would be the much more honest... :)
I like your pic Vile, though I think your oil mat is very crude,*nyuk,nyuk!
I believe the formation of the North American Union (scheduled circa 2010) will finally require Americans to give up their romance with big gas-guzzling vehicles. When the United States gives up its sovereignty and effectively dissolves the borders between Mexico and Canada to form a Super-State, much like the European Union, most of the remaining American middle-class will pretty much disappear. The only affordable personal transportation will be cars such as the example Duo posted. Unfortunately, the U.S. Constitution will have to go too. What, you never heard of the North American Union? Check out the official U.S. Government website-www.spp.gov/ "Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America". Then do a web search under "North American Union" to get the real ramifications. Pretty soon we'll be using "ameros" instead of U.S. dollars. More "food for thought".
Not sure how that would play up here either, we tend to be a bit too pink for many of those south of us. We are also very loathe to give up our maple syrup swilling and moose worshipping to say nothing of losing the letter "u" eh!
Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!
@duo - U.S Dept. of Energy
http://www.eia.doe.gov
-As a share of world energy consumption, North America has declined from a high of 37% in 1970 to 29% in 1998, while South America has increased from 3% to 5%.
-Energy consumption in North America is expected to continue its decline as a share of the world total (to about 24%) through 2020, while South America is expected to increase to about 8%.
(Note about South America, as developing regions go, it is coming on very strongly. It's consumption vs production increases are very high.)
PS - I'm not looking for a political debate, Isn't the focus of this site. Obviously statistics can be manipulated to basically show any result.
We have never been, and are not now, Imperialist. And is the hundreds of millions of tons of food we distribute freely, without expectation or demand of payment, throughout the world (A major fuel/resource consumption issue amongst pro-domestic American politics) an example of 'false goodwill'. Also medicine, professional services, economic aid, etc.
If we'd have wanted Iraqi oil, we'd have taken it, we didn't.
You say you aren't American bashing, then end your post with unfounded insults?
North America as a single country? Don't know about that, we already have good relations with each other, lots of trade, open borders, seems like the arrangement doesn't really need to be changed.
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Energy consumption in North America is on a dramatic rise. The figures reflect that the rest of the world is catching up demandwise all the faster though. Canada is at this time, still a net exporter of energy whether defined in terms of electricity , oil or gas. We all use too much oil though.
I do take your point about the US (I'm Canadian) aid as legitimate. There are some strings attached to the funding for some of this aid that I do have issues with, but by and large the US is a good neighbour with good intentions and a desire among almost all Americans that I have met in all my time there to do the right thing. Sometimes ideologic or religious realpolitik can get in the way though, that is what we must watch out for.
Make peace and art - for however we carve it up, there is only one earth.
Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!
duo ,
you were perfectly clear.
What you wanna drive is up to you but I guess I need to be blunt - the smart car looks like a piece of crap. - Americans wouldn't be caught dead in it . In odrer to grab the american market exterior design and passenger/storage space will have to improve dramatically. As for myself I walk wherever I can, ride a bycycle where possible , a motorcycle when niether of the above are practica and for those heavy loads a pickup truck. Insurance rates are through the roof here. Something like that would be hard to get a good rate on because despite whatever blurbs the company puts out that thing is unsafe at any speed!
sorry NO SALE!. (Where's that Nader guy when you really need him?)
dear dvlenk6
This post on the bryce forum have many political issues so is difficult to do not talk about politics ;)
Now **I'm trying to explain my real point of view about "imperialism":
**For first I'm pacific but not a pacifist.
I think that there are wars that you must combat, but not every war must be fight.
In the "iraq case" there was no weapos of mass destruction, Saddam was not a friend of Bin Laden (he was his enemy) and yes, Saddam was a bloody dictator but the world is full of bloody dictators but USA do not start a war with every dictators on the earth... (some of them are friends of USA).
So the only reason to take down Saddam was to control a strategic piece of land on the earth because the oil and natural gas in this area.
Perhaps this war was just crucial piece of a complex puzzle for the expansionist USA politic, expansionism dictate only to mantain the same level of consumes inside USA (mantaining the power of the country by this administration).
I understand and perhaps agree with this "imperialist" USA politic (if I was a Noth American).
"Imperialist" is not a real insult, is just a "state of things", it is just "realpolitik"...
If USA economy is OK also Europe economy will be OK (until the end of resouces).
But sincerly I prefer the good old English Commonwealth colonialist and imperialist way, with no frills with no false good will but just honest.
But at least the good old Englishmen take all the resposability of the colony managing it directly as it was the homeland.
Nowdays the neo-colonialims is just aimed to take milk from the cow until its dead.
In this process thousands of poor people find the dead because the war or because famine.
USA had promised a lot of money to help Iraq people. Since today this "help" go only to pay the reconstiction of the oil pumps and the arming of the Iraq armed force (just to use it as meat for guns).
Duo, I actually agreed with you that they're generally pretty safe cars, but (and it's a big but), I've seen these involved in accidents on the motorway with heavy vehicles (once with a land rover and once with a lorry) and they don't come out that well, especially in the lorry case, where a lorry went into the rear of a smart car, the back of the drivers head wasn't at all healthy afterwards. ( I drive a huge amount of motorway miles)
But when it comes down to it, would I consider one safe to drive and the answer is yes, although as I also mentioned I'd prefer either the for four or the roadster to the standard smart. (One of the girls at work has a brabus tuned roadster and it's awesome)
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The argument that small cars aren't safe because of the vast number of gigantic SUVs is a straw horse that causes people to buy large vehicles out of fear.
If a significant percentage of Americans can shake the fear, the chances of running into a much larger vehicle decreases.
As an aside, the percentage of subcompact vehicles in Canada is significantly higher than in the US, so it is possible to drive smaller vehicles in North America.
And again: those of you concerned about the safety of the Smart cars should check out the crash test videos and data. I invite you again to take a look here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju6t-yyoU8s
and comment this video.
Anyway here in Europe we use smaller cars in terms of size and power than USA.
In USA death rate per 100 million vehicle miles traveled was up from 1.44 to 1.46, In Europe the rate is little lower.
The damage in an accident come from a sudden change in energy - And energy is a function of mass and velocity. If a car is lighter, it will cause and recieve less damage in an impact, the exception to this being if you are wedged in somewhere (maybe crushed by two semis or something). Extra protection comes from a chassis that acts as a cushion to absorb energy. Basically, imagine crashing into a brick wall with your SUV, versus crashing into a giant beach ball with your SUV. The beach ball will be less damaged, even though it is weaker and lighter.
Is clear that if you have a car crash at high speed the body damage would be the same on a SMART or on a SUV, because the rapid deceleration that damage the internal organs (and not because you have a BIG or a SMALL car).
Sorry Duo,
yep looked at the video before thanks, I've seen other footage of smart crash test too, and they perform well.
Your physics is flawed though, the damage to people in a crash is due to multiple things, the acceleration or deceleration of a light body after impacting a larger body will be different to that produced by the impact of two light bodies or two heavy bodies, the velocitys will be the same but the absorbtion of energy will be different. The energy absorbed during crash is also spread throughout the vehicles, clever chassis design (such as that in the smart) will provide soft zones that bleed energy by slowing direct absorbtion and velocity matching, whereas harder chassis such as the hummer will not bleed as much energy, but will absorb it across it's larger mass. Due to the different ways of absorbing energy you could see a huge difference in visible panel damage between the two vehicles. Plus huge difference to the amount of velocity change.
Personally I drive a huge amount of motorway miles a year and I wouldn't do it in a standard smart, I might consider the for four though.
With most of the people I know in the states you can forget it a) because driving the smallest thing on the road is mentally hard even if you believe that it's safe and b) most of them are on the east coast, when the snow is 18" deep the smart car is gonna die compared to an suv, bet there's not many smarts in scandinavia for the same reason.
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Duo, your image of American lifestyle is wrong. Just stupid stereotypes. Plain as that.
I've never owned an SUV, lots of Americans have never owned an SUV. We're not all out joyriding around for the hell of it all the time, just to waste gasoline. My car ( a four seat Toyota Corolla) gets 35/40 mpg city/highway, same as that little 'smart' car you keep talking about.
I won't be responding to anything else you say in this thread, so if you're just looking for a rise, don't bother yourself. You obviously have no idea what America is like at all and are just blowing hot air. Of course, if you want to continue making an ass out of yourself, that's up to you. All you need do to accomplish that is just keep typing away.
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What makes me mad as Hell is that I read today of the profits by Exxon second largest profit ever recorded!!! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14056592/
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Why does this not bother anyone?
Now you look me in the eye and tell me that big business is not sticking it too us all. And it is not just Big Oil it is endemic of the bottom-line mentality that rules right now!
I am glad to see some healthy discussion on this and that I am not the only one. I would love a smart car a mini cooper anything hybrid. But again they make those damn expensive it is ridiculous.
Not to mention in the West they run over little cars like that with their single passenger FORD Expeditious Exploder Gas-guzzlers!
I sure hope all those Oil boys get rich enough to get off the planet when it is too polluted for them to live here!
I for one plan to mutate from all the chemicals, waste and hot weather so that if they have not left I will kick them off the planet and then start over.
I think you're comparing apples and oranges.. the quote was energy production, from which oil only produces a part of that . There's coal, nuclear, even solar and wind.. in varying amounts.
yeah, we probably use too much oil and gas, but until a cost-effective alternative comes along, we're kinda stuck..
man, this thread is giving me flashbacks to the OT forum..;)
I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit
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I am curious if my latest image will cause controversy or acknowledgement of the situation. Not sure how anyone will respond yet and I thought I would let you guys give me your opinions too!