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Subject: EF-CP-G2 Promises, Integrity, Honesty and Accusations
Hey 64bit is here (at my place), and it ain't so bad...
I just built a new box - win64, P950 dual core, O.C. and running on air at 4.0 ghz. , 4gb ddr2 800 ram, 1.3 terrabytes of storage (raid 1 and 0), nvidia 7800gt.
And so far, poser seems very happy. Ok it ain't using all my bits, only one cpu, and might choke at some point on all that ram - but so far, rendering times are impressive - I mean, in the old days, with Firefly, that "rendering shadow maps" was a signal to get coffee.
Now I'm rendering, copying many avi files from my old computer to this one - and posting this - SWEET!
JP
P.S. if I sound like I am bragging about my new system - I AM! But, don't worry, I'll get mine when this newegg account I got comes due in Feb 07 at 20% interest!
You know, personal digs aside, it doesn't matter how many times you call someone childish for expecting a company to keep it's promises, that doesn't make it so. That tactic itself speaks more volumes about the poster's maturity level than my own.
Karen, you know her, our lovely moderator here, has asked that we discuss the issues and not the personalities of people here in the forums. I find it dissapointing that staff members seem to think themselves exempt from this. Implying someone is childish for expecting to have gotten what we paid for is insulting to the community and the customers alike who bought into products based on promises made about them.
Many people bought Koji with the expectation that he would have faceroom support, if not right away, at least before a year was up. I like EF, and I like Poser 6, but I don't like spending money on empty promises. Just because some people aren't afraid to talk about it doesn't make calling us or our behaviour childish, petulant or what ever metaphore you feel is neccesary to belittle us, a mature response.
Quote - Many people bought Koji with the expectation that he would have faceroom support, if not right away, at least before a year was up..
If you look at the Koji product page they are still promising Face room support as a free download.
What's annoying me is I'm a passport member who's paid for Koji 1 and still waiting for face room support. Now they've aanounced the new figure is going to be free to owners of the original and to Passport members. I feel I've paid for him twice over. You can't please all the people all of the time., and CP seem intent on upsetting me. Their loss, I'll just buy less there and more elsewhere i.e. Renderosity.
PS - There's also ne mention on the product page about the free offer to passsport members. CP will still be quite happy for passport members to fork out the cash for Koji even though they will be getting the "better?" version for free. (Now is that honesty and integrity)
Quote - To be fair, if you're getting Koji G2 for free, you're not paying for Koji twice over.
I do believe that's slightly innaccurate considering the fact that if you paid for Koji 1 you've paid for him and if you paid for a passport membership you've paid for Koji 2 since it's now become clear that Koji G2 is a benefit of Passport membership regardless of previous purchase of Koji 1. So you've technically paid once for each figure and the word "Free" shouldn't even be brought into the conversation.
Quote - Making money is evil. Everybody knows that. Because it is a fact.
I take it you are reading between some lines somewhere? Nobody said making money is evil. Making money by lying, cheating, and promising things you can't deliver used to be evil. Apparently they changed the rules and only you were told?
As for Poser being killed off by Vista: Let's not get utterly silly. Vista doesn't exist yet, so we are speculating about the hypothetical effects of a hypothetical OS on a hypothetical product. Sheeh! And with any luck, we'll see MS implode when Vista is released. After all, Gates got his goodies, and who cares if Ballmer is on the street selling pencils or his grandkids?
The real world -- businesses who actually understand computing, as opposed to businesses where the shadow govt is the IT department -- is abandoning Windows slowly and reluctantly (which is how they do anything). They did not rush to adopt W2K, or XP, and they aren't going to rush to adopt Vista. Microsoft can buy a President and a pardon, but they can't make American businesses do things that hurt the bottom line.
M
Quote - To be fair, if you're getting Koji G2 for free, you're not paying for Koji twice over.
I'm entitled to free Koji G2 because I bought original Koji - Paid once
I'm entitled to free Koji G2 because I bought Passport membership - Paid twice.
Someone new to Poser who has just joined the Passport. Could easily decide to buy Koji1 today on the promise of faceroom support which as far as I 'm aware will never come. Unless they visit Forums they would be unaware that they are about to receive Koji G2 for free later. Theres no indication in CP's store pages for their Passport or Koji.
You could argue that at least I've had Koji for some time to use - But it is a figure that was never completed as promised. Is the glass half full or half empty. The way I'm feeling today it's half empty. I don't feel a valued customer. "Thank you for supporting Koji, don't expect special treatment"
Its just the way I feel. I'll probably feel better later. I'll
Quote - > Quote - To be fair, if you're getting Koji G2 for free, you're not paying for Koji twice over.
I'm entitled to free Koji G2 because I bought original Koji - Paid once
I'm entitled to free Koji G2 because I bought Passport membership - Paid twice.
Huh? Passport members get the new G2 figures that didn't exist before (the african male/female) all others get those G2 where they had the G1 version...
Dizzi it's been announced that Passport members will also get G2 Koji regardless of previous ownership. We just asked at CP the day before yesterday why the Passport Preview bundle was the same whether you owned Koji G1 previously or not and that's what was stated by Tori over at CP. I don't know if the same holds true for G2 Miki and I seriously doubt that it'll be made clear to us until the day she's released unless someone get's a direct answer by asking about it now. Even then, I'm not so sure I really trust the answers given by CP in regards to EF products due to the break down in communications we've been witnessing.
Solution A:
the G2 versions are free for nobody.
Solution B:
The G2 are free only for G1 owners.
Solution C:
The G2 are free only for Passport members
Solution D:
The G2 are free for G1 owners AND Passport members.
CP has opted for solution D. This is THE MOST GENEROUS offer they could seriously make.
And another is heard from with nothing to contribute to the discussion beyond adding insults to those who have yet to resort to the baser communications of personal attacks! I must say it's nice of all you merchants to come out and declare yourselves publically so we know who to stop buying from if this is the way you treat your customers.
"nothing to contribute to the discussion"
I think you're saying that he has no spit on EF or CP, spread rumours or corridor noises, make assumptions on what and how EF and CP do things, or how shameful they were to go to Siggraph, right? ( I won't provide any quote: you just need to read your own posts.)
Indeed he did not have your brilliantly positive attitude. Such a shame.
"personal attacks"
Do you mean things like: "I usually wouldn't touch a merchant with your attitude with a ten foot pole.", or maybe: "Olivier go troll you own boards will ya", or was it "Looks and sounds to me like he's written himself one of those stupid AI Alice Psychiatrist programs that people find amusing in their non-responsive answers. He obviously has nothing to contribute and is somehow amused by his own idiocintricities.", or this one: "Why do I keep being surprised when talented people turn out to also be jerks?"...
So, mister Mizrael, when will you stop playing the role of the victim? When will you stop inducing false statements and a global mispleasant feeling about these 2 companies that do their best for us all? Why don't you search for a more positive way to express what you feel? Are you so bored with life that you can't make it joyful anymore? It is not meant to be insulting. It's just that I really can't understand how you can keep that attitude. Any enlightment from you on this question would be greatly appreciated.
Quote - "nothing to contribute to the discussion"
I think you're saying that he has no spit on EF or CP, spread rumours or corridor noises, make assumptions on what and how EF and CP do things, or how shameful they were to go to Siggraph, right? ( I won't provide any quote: you just need to read your own posts.)
Indeed he did not have your brilliantly positive attitude. Such a shame.
I'm going to attribute this whole qoute to your primary language not being english because frankly it makes no sense to me whatsoever. It sounds like you're trying to put words in my mouth that I never said and the following is a good example:
"I usually wouldn't touch a merchant with your attitude with a ten foot pole." - I don't believe you've quoted my words here but rather TrekkieGrrls. I'm not responsible for other peoples comments.
"Olivier go troll you own boards will ya" - Tit for Tat. Describing your behaviour much as you described my own. I call them as I see them and your exhibited behaviour in this thread has been that of someone who's only purpose in the thread is to incite flames against someone you don't like.
"Looks and sounds to me like he's written himself one of those stupid AI Alice Psychiatrist programs that people find amusing in their non-responsive answers. He obviously has nothing to contribute and is somehow amused by his own idiocintricities." - My opinion of your contribution. Nowhere in that statement did I call you names, I merely postulated about what your contribution was to this thread. Something that you found amusing but had nothing to do whatsoever with the topic of the thread.
"Why do I keep being surprised when talented people turn out to also be jerks?" I didn't say that either, Mickma did. Apparently you can't tell the difference between my words and those of other people.
Honestly Olivier, you've added nothing in defense of CP/EF's behaviour beyond slurs and personal opinions on my character. You haven't addressed the fact that they made promises to sell products and then renigged on said promises. You continue to call items they promised to Passport members as incentives to buy into the Passport programs "Freebies" when by the very nature of the membership, we paid for these items!
Then you call into question some hidden motives of mine that don't exist beyond the confines of your own imagination. You don't know me and you certainly don't know my motives. On top of it you seem to have recruited a possey of like minded people to come to the thread to add to your nonsense. Appearances can be decieving and I'm sure they could all have shown up on their own but as they all seem to have your back and have some sort of link to RDNA, I question their reasons for being here as well.
The very title of this thread, "Promises, Integrity, Honesty and Accusations" was a blatant flame, poorly supported, at EF and CP. It's spectacularly hypocritical to blast people who defend EF and CP from this drivel. When I first read the line about how 'awful' Olivier was being within this thread I went back and read all his posts in particular and saw nothing to even raise an eyebrow. He simply said a few very low key words defending EF and CP from the flame...and the flame is...too...long...winded... If you choose to create a flame, and a poorly thought out one at that, don't be surprised if you get flamed back. Certainly don't whine about it.
Okay, so it appears that you need things to be spelled in a "primary" way,.
1- You complain about personal attatcks BUT you and your fellows are the ONLY one here attacking (me for instance). Explain this.
2- You complain (again?) about some posts not being contributing. When I read your own (therefore great) posts, I then realize that your way to contribute here is nothing but spitting, reporting corridor noises, spreading rumours, speculating on things you completely ignore. Oh, you're not the only one. But I must admit that in that regard, you're the "best" (which means worst if you understand the context) contributor.
If you still encounter difficulties to understand my point (that is pretty simple finally), no problem: In fact english is not my primary langage but I can make primary enough if needed. :)
Quote - The very title of this thread, "Promises, Integrity, Honesty and Accusations" was a blatant flame, poorly supported, at EF and CP. It's spectacularly hypocritical to blast people who defend EF and CP from this drivel. When I first read the line about how 'awful' Olivier was being within this thread I went back and read all his posts in particular and saw nothing to even raise an eyebrow. He simply said a few very low key words defending EF and CP from the flame...and the flame is...too...long...winded... If you choose to create a flame, and a poorly thought out one at that, don't be surprised if you get flamed back. Certainly don't whine about it.
One word. Accusations. It is not a flame. The Accusation being that CP Made Priomises and then chose for whatever reason, not to deliver on them. Nobody and I mean NOBODY has yet to explain to us why we should consider them to be an honest company when they exhibit such a dishonest behaviour. They promise things to entice an increase in their sales and don't deliver on those promises. Refute that accusation. Please! Prove to me it never happened!
The long windedness comes from even bothering to address people who's contributions do nothing to explain why this behaviour is acceptable. Long winded in defense of myself yeah. When someone goes to a lot of effort to besmirch my behaviour with comments about whining, childishness and lies I have a right to comment on those personal attack and insults. Attributing the personal attacks that others have made to me when I never said them just shows the levels that Olivier will stoop to and show me he's got an agenda of his own that has nothing to do with defending a big corporation from a lowly customer and has loads to do with him having personal issues he doesn't have the courage to admit to.
Quote - Okay, so it appears that you need things to be spelled in a "primary" way,.
1- You complain about personal attatcks BUT you and your fellows are the ONLY one here attacking (me for instance). Explain this.
Olivier, the closest I've come to attacking you was to call your behaviour trolling, whihch it most certainly has been I'm NOT however responsible for the attacks made against you by other people. Period. End of story.
Quote - 2- You complain (again?) about some posts not being contributing. When I read your own (therefore great) posts, I then realize that your way to contribute here is nothing but spitting, reporting corridor noises, spreading rumours, speculating on things you completely ignore. Oh, you're not the only one. But I must admit that in that regard, you're the "best" (which means worst if you understand the context) contributor.
My posts have pointed out the issues of dishonesty that pertain to CP and EF. You haven't addressed them even once. You haven't proven they didn't make promises that they didn't keep. It's quite obviuos that any complaint is taken by you as a personal attack regardless of whether or not it was made against you or someone else. You haven't refuted the validity of a single complaint of mine with which you've had issue. Nor have you refuted or proven that anyone else's complaints haven't been valid. It's clear to me that you're not here to defend CP/EF but rather you're here to harrass and annoy anyone daring to complain about any merchant anywhere for any reason.
"Attributing the personal attacks that others have made to me when I never said them just shows the levels that Olivier will stoop to ...." blablabla
Learn to read, Mister Mizrael. Learn to read.
I never wrote you said them all. I even never wrote you said one in that particular post.. I just gave clear evidences (do you that word?) that the attacks were really not directed to you and that you were fooling us by playing the role of the victim. Once again, you complain about things that are not connected to reality. That really should alert you at some levels. Because if you can fool yourself so deeply, I doubt you can fool people for a very long time, now.
Why?
Because they can read. And they understand what they read.
Best of all, the more you speak, the more evidences you bring. Thanks! :)
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The great 64-bit changeover looks like it's going to be evolutionary rather than revolutionary. Sure -- it's the wave of the future -- but it gives every indication of being a slow tide. It's going to take a while to convince the enormous PC user base that it's time for all of them to fork over their hard-earned cash to the tune of several 1000's of dollars in order to replace their 1-year-old (or newer) 32-bit PC. It'll be the pros and serious hobbyists (and dummies) who will spend the big bucks up front for the latest technology. The rest of us will wait it out for awhile until we see the prices for a 64-bit box come down -- which they will do.
I had a friend a number of years ago who dropped $12,000 on a 386/33 -- "486 ready". About a year later, he could have bought the same thing for approx. half the price. Six months after that, for about 1/3 of the price. Nowadays the thing belongs in a junkyard.........to me, I'll wait until that shiny-new plasma screen TV doesn't cost $11,000 anymore. Now I can likely get that TV for around $2000-$3000. In another few months I should be able to land it for under $1000.
Same thing will hold true for the 64-bit boxes, I suspect. I'll wait. I'm in no hurry.
As for P6 -- I initially had some trouble with the original release. But the successive SR's have fixed pretty much everything. So I'm satisfied. 100%? No......but when are we ever? All in all, Poser is a fantastic deal. And it's fun. So I tend to view it as a win-win situation. But that's just me. Of course -- they say that everyone is entitled to their own opinion -- or so I've heard, anyway. As in: "in my opinion, the earth is flat". Opinions like that. They are entitled to them.
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