It occurs to me that there are a great many relatively simple props which could make all the difference to the realism of a Poser scene. Some of them might be out there, and some not. After all, there are some pretty talented people making stuff for Poser. The consept I have in mind is the sort of thing you don't often see in Poser renders, which you half expect to see. Things like Vicky naked in the shower, with no shower-soap. Or an urban raod with an absolutely perfect road surface: not even a drain grating. Some of these things might work as textures rather than geometry; that can be as good an answer. But what ideas do you have for the sort of clutter that makes the real world; stuff with a purpose, rather than trash?

Hmm I know what you mean and one of the best proponents of this sort of stuff is Trekkiegrrl, Probably spelt that wrong but you probably know who I mean.

If you check her site out, the stuff on there is amazing: Morphing tissues, newspapers, toothpaste tubes, coke cans etc. etc.

Small props but essential to a scene as you say!

I for one am guilty of having lots of her stuff that I don't remember to use often enough!!

Yes, but what else could people make?

I'll have a fun little wager with you!

Whatever someone posts here as a suggestion, I'd bet someone will have already done it somewhere and will hopefully tell us!

Damaged coins.

Although scratches, rim dings, pliers-damage, etc could be done with displacement/bump maps, what about a bent coin, or a dented one, or one with a hole drilled in it? Or a silver dollar with a big dent/hole that goes halfway thru the coin, caused by being shot with a bullet (I've actually seen people use Ike dollars for target practice)

This is actually something that I've been thinking about for a while, and as soon as I'm finished with a project I'm currently working on, I'm going to make a set of damaged coins to put in freestuff. They'll be UVmapped with templates so people can put whateveer coin textures they want on them.

What about wristwatches? I haven't seen any of those. Granted, people in temples with swords don't usually wear them but...

Well,  I guess naked Vicky needs to know when it's lime to put on her bikini armor and leave the temple to go kill a dragon

I also don't see a lot of purses. Someone needs to make nekkid Viky some chain or plate mail purses.

Quote - What about wristwatches? I haven't seen any of those. Granted, people in temples with swords don't usually wear them but...

Poser 6 James and Jessie have 3 each,  and I have seen others around... maybe Zippos site?

I have a few ideas...

Ashtrays, overflowing with ash and ciggie buts.
Bookshelves with half the books lop-sided or fallen over (and irrelevant gaps).
Stacks of CDs that are about to topple over.
Stacks of books, ditto.
Sinks/washbasins with grimy soap stains (texture add-on..)
Paper Coke (or other) drinks (the ones with the plastic top with a straw in the middle.
Polystyrene (yellowish) take-away burger boxes.
Squashed fag-ends and Squashed chewing-gum (for pavement/sidewalk application and stick-to). Again these could be textures.
Discarded, 1/2-eaten meals (chicken bits, burgers, kebabs, chips etc)
Broken bottles.
Broken glass shards (usually found near bus shelters or phone boothes).

And as for the (1/2) Naked Vicky bit...
Drifted-in dead leaves. Clumps of moss and/or lichen. Stone steps with hollows in them where 1,000 years of feet have trod. Broken mosaic floors. Windows with traces of glass still there. Dead rodents.

errm - running out of time.....which reminds me:
Wristwatches that can be laid flat (the wrist-band stretched out) on a surface and the ends not clasped together (who wears a wristwatch to bed? OK, some do, but most take them off (after having undone the clasp/buckle) and drop them somewhere...

Not to mention clothes, ditto...

Anyone inspired yet??

Cheers,
Diolma

I have yet to see a decent hairbrush and comb.  You can't go into a temple with your hair in rats!

Diolma, you could just mash down a cube in the Y direction to make a single CD case
and use the grouping tool to create more.  Then just stack them together.
Same with books only shrink them in the X direction to make them rectangular.
Then just put a suitable image map on them to make them look like books.

dbowers22 - yes I know that. I've done it. I also create my own props using my modeller apps.

The thread was about inspiration - so I tried to provide some..:-))

And getting all those textures onto the CD covers, not to mention those cracked crystal-cases, and the cracked spines of the books.... also not to mention that most books aren't rectangular (for paper-backs, the spine tends to curve inwards in Z-axis, for hard-backs they tend to curve outwards, and the covers on hardbacks are thicker and somewhat bigger  in all dtmensions than the pages.)

Although all that is probably irrelevant for a medium/distant prop..

I can do it  And often do.  Actually, I can probably do everything I suggested (except possibly the overflowing ashtray - that might come out seriously poly-heavy).

But if somebody gets inspired by my suggestions they might come up with something that's better than I could do (not difficult), and help others too.
I posted that list to help provide food for thought (even if that food is half-eaten and lying on a dirty pavement/sidewalk) :-))

(Come to think of it, I may even have inspired myself. Hmmm... Now that is a BAAAD thing 'cos I've got 3 other boring projects that I need to finish before the end of the month...)

Cheers,
Diolma

On the subject of CD cases, what about an open CD case?

Attached Link: http://lab108.x0.com/lab108/index.html

Lab 108 has one... also a wrist watch, and several nice props.Someone was looking for some food props and several can be found here.

diolma,

you gotta get the cleaning lady in more often...!!

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You guys need to at least hit mystic nights freebie search engine before making lists (http://mystic-nights.com/directory/index.php?PHPSESSID=163f7156f48bef7c451ff5a62be9e558) - most of the stuff mentioned in this thread is already out there, you just need to get busy finding them.

Cheers

yup..I know of a CD case (open and close), bookshelves and books (Mebbe Joe's Fantasy 3d worlds, but I could be wrong..;), most of the other detrius (or similar) would be Trekkiegrrrl (she told me how to spell it...we are not smart..;), are available (or were) in Freebies here; and I modeled a bar of soap once  as a joke (but where did I put it?..;)

But nobody has damaged coins.

M_M

And I'm sure they'll be lovely when you've finished them.

Cheers

There are some free wristwatches at the link.

http://vertexworks.vandee.biz/ under props clothing.

i bought raytracer's modern complete apartment a while ago and it had a lot of neat stuff like that...books, cd's, soap and container. a really beautiful place too...

What would really be cool is if one of these model CD companies, like Dosch or someone would put tog ether a big collection of these kinds of models on a CD. A sort of assorted junk and clutter items  set

I saw a documentary once on R. Crumb, the underground comic artist - some of you may have heard of him ;-) Anyway he used to have a friend drive him around (he didn't drive) so he could sketch power lines, utility poles, transformers, etc. Stuff most people tune out when they are driving down the street because it's so ugly, but that is essential for realism. He had a whole sketchbook full of just that kind of stuff, so he'd have a reference when he needed to add it to an image.

These days he'd probably have a collection of cell phone antennas as well. Those things seem to pop up everywhere.

Unlike CD covers, wires are a devilishly hard problem. Hard to pose, they add lots of polys to a scene and slow down renders, all for detail that's barely visible in the final image and unsightly to boot. :-P

"diolma,

you gotta get the cleaning lady in more often...!!"

I can afford a cleaning lady? When I'm a Poser-holic? - no way!  (It'll all get cleaned up when the rodent-exterminator tems invades...)

BTW - much of the "rubbish" I was referring to was intended to be out-door, on the pavement/sidewalk stuff. The sort of stuff you try to avoid stepping on, especially when you take a constitutional walk on a Sunday morning. Good time to avoid stepping into the result of (other people's) Saturday revelries...

I Loved the R Crumb cartoons! Didn't always agree with the subject matter, but loved them anyway.
And then I saw that documentary on his life (I assume it was the same one), and suddenly realised that he was doing self-portraits and the women he depicted really were the ones he was -- errm -- involved with... They really WERE that big!

And, IIRC, R. Crumb was the inventor of Fritz the Cat, although I could be mistaken there..)

Cheers,
Diolma

Diolma, I'm not sure it's legal to take a Constitutional walk on Sunday mornings anymore. Something about 'seperation of Church and State.' [grin] I think Ralph Bakshi was the creator of "Fritz the Cat."

For more Crumb see ZAP Comix 1 - 10.

"Keep on Truckin!"

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Ralph bakshi made the films of fritz the cat but robert crumb was the creator.