5th graders (10-11yr olds)

Teacher: Reprisals began after field trip

FRISCO, Texas – A veteran Frisco art teacher says school administrators have retaliated against her because a student reportedly saw a nude sculpture during a field trip to the Dallas Museum of Art.

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O tempora, o mores...

Yep, that about sums todays world up - the human body is shameful and disgusting and should be hidden at all costs - we could give the Victorian's a good battle over puritanical and censorious behaviour it seems.

Good grief I went to a Convent School and we were taught to appreciate the beauty of artistic expression - including nudes.

:rolleyes: what did they expect kids to see in a Museum? A portait of SpongeBob maybe? :laugh:

Well just think of all the poor children who were traumatized over seeing Janet Jackson's nipple.
Some of them will be in therapy for years and may well bear the scars of that incident for life.
We can't have things like that happening can we?
(Oddly enough there have been no reports of European children who were watching that
Super Bowl  having any long term physcological problems .)

This only goes to show that when NOT threatened by terrorist, mayhem, and other life endangering situations, American tend to go collectively insane!  Thank G-d I live in Israel, where all we have to worry about is Hamas, Hizboulla, and suicide bombers.
David P. Hoadley

Quote - This only goes to show that when NOT threatened by terrorist, mayhem, and other life endangering situations, American tend to go collectively insane!  Thank G-d I live in Israel, where all we have to worry about is Hamas, Hizboulla, and suicide bombers.
David P. Hoadley

Yeah, those bastards keep you all pretty busy, don't they.  Were you safe?
Did you have to move south?  I heard they did quite a bit of damage to
northern Israel.

No, I line in Bat-Yam, a suburb city directly south of Tel-Aviv-Jaffa.  I have however experienced a bomb blow up a 100 feet or so in front on me.  It's shock wave was like a wall of pure elemental roaring sond bowling into me.  Three people were killed, but I escaped unscathed except for a ringing in my ears.
Several years before that, I witnessed the terrorist attack on the Savoy Hotel in Tel-Aviv (1975).  The most strange experience I had was when I returned to work in a furniture factory after a months reserve duty in the IDF.  I'd been stationed at the Ketziot Nitzana Internment camp, south of Gaza and situated on the Israel-Egyptian border.  My duties were those of camp guard, making sure that the internees, most of whom came from Gaza, didn't get out of hand.  I tried to maintain a correct posture, neither overly friendly notr severe.  But the strange thing occured when I went back to work.  Two thirds of my fellow workers were Arabs from Gaza, and more than a few greeted me by saying: "I saw you at Ketziot!"
Talk about nonplussed, that was I.

only in america... geez.

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Surely it's a joke?!

PLEASE TELL ME IT'S A JOKE??!

It's stupid, but no joke.  America is officialy psychotic.  I love my country, but the present climate is...wel...almost fascist.  Ever since the 9/11 attacks, America has been sinking into an almost self-perpetuating prophesy of "Everyone hates us!"

I don't know why people are still supporting the current regime.  It alarms me greatly, but maybe things will relax with someone different in the White House.  The puritans (which founded the USA, btw) are taking over, which is bad.  There MUST be a seperation of church and state, or we'll end up with an American Taliban run by Baptist Sunday schoolers offended by anything they don't like.

@__@  That is a horror I DO NOT want for America.

whats so suprising about this?

just look what they did to THIS site

and it'll get worse--- as they loose power in the elections this year and '08 big pushs will be made across this nation and the net.

Ah, yes.....the facist US of A again.  So unlike Europe -- where you can be thrown in jail & heavily fined for politically incorrect speech.  Say something critcal of certain groups -- and quite possibly find yourself in jail.  No -- as everyone knows: all of the facists are over here.  Not over there.

sigh  I wonder what the reactions would be like if we ever had to deal with REAL facists over here.  The type who shatter store windows & kill people.  The type who blow people up.  The type who swear that they are going to kill all of us.  I wonder how certain segments of Western thought would react to that reality.........?

Hmmmm......they'd probably make up excuses for the behavior.  They'd probably like to pretend that the growing and very real danger didn't exist.  They'd probably pull a Neville Chamberlain act.  Or so I would speculate, anyway........

Politically correct facists aren't facists by definition.  Because diversity only works as it properly should when everyone is forced to think in the same way.  For this reason: certain ideas shouldn't be allowed to be expressed.

Thank God that I live in the facist US of A.

“The puritans (which founded the USA, btw) are taking over, which is bad.”

This statement is technically incorrect, both historically and grammatical, (it should read: ‘…WHO founded the USA….’).

Southern Virginia planters, not northern Massachusetts’s puritans, founded the United States in the main.  Of the first four Presidents, only Adams was a northerner.

1. George Washington (February 22, 1732 – December 14, 1799), was the Commander-in-Chief of American forces in the American Revolutionary War (1775–1783), and, later, the first President of the United States, from 1789 to 1797. Because of his central role in the founding of the United States, Washington is often called the "Father of his Country"

He was born at Popes Creek Plantation, on the Potomac River southeast of modern-day Colonial Beach in Westmoreland County, Virginia.

1. John Adams (October 30, 1735 – July 4, 1826) was an American politician who served as the first Vice President of the United States (1789–1797), and the second President of the United States (1797–1801). He was a major sponsor of the American Revolutionary War in Massachusetts, and a key diplomat in the 1770s. He was a driving force for independence in 1776—the "Colossus of Independence," declared Thomas Jefferson. 

John Adams was born the eldest of three brothers on October 30, 1735 (October 19 by the Old Style, Julian calendar), in Braintree, Massachusetts, though in an area which became part of Quincy, Massachusetts in 1792.

1. Thomas Jefferson (April 13, 1743 N.S. – July 4, 1826) was the third President of the United States (1801–1809), principal author of the Declaration of Independence (1776), and an influential founder of the United States. Major events during his presidency include the Louisiana Purchase (1803), the Embargo Act of 1807, and the Lewis and Clark Expedition (1804–1806).

Jefferson was born into a prosperous Virginia family, on April 2, 1743 according to the Julian calendar ("old style") used at the time.  Under the Gregorian calendar ("new style") adopted during his lifetime, he was born on April 13, the third of ten children (two of them were stillborn).

1. James Madison (March 16, 1751 – June 28, 1836) was the fourth (1809–1817) President of the United States. Known as the "Father of the Constitution," he played a leading role in the creation of the United States Constitution in 1787 and, with Alexander Hamilton, was the chief expounder of its meaning in the Federalist Papers (1788). Working closely with Thomas Jefferson he created the Democratic-Republican Party in the mid-1790s and built a system of grass roots political activism that was victorious in the "Revolution of 1800."

Madison was born in Port Conway, Virginia on March 16, 1751 (March 5 according to the Old Style Julian Calendar). He was the eldest of twelve children, seven of whom reached adulthood.

Didn't we deal with 'fascists' (or near enough) during the McCarthy era.  Witch hunts and trials - turn in your neighbor, get a 'free car!'  Are they back? :)

Speaking of fascism, I saw a very interesting documentary about a female German high-jumper who also happend to be Jewish.  She could have been in the 1936 Berlin Olympics, but her part to play was to console the Olympic Commitee that Nazi Germany was indeed going to have a Jewish athlete on their team.  She was dismissed from the team just before the beginning on 'lack of performance qualifications' (one of the best in Germany and who was only matched by another high-jumper who was a ringer (a man posing as a woman)).  She was a scapegoat for the scapegoat and used solely to avoid the banning of the Olympics by the USA.

" I wonder what the reactions would be like if we ever had to deal with REAL facists over here."

Like abortion clinics bombings.

Antrax letters.

Nudity restrictions

V-chips

What are V-Chips?

V-chips are now mandatory in all TV's sold in america so parents can block certian types of show.

Each TV show gets a electronic mark (manditory) for Violance, language, nudity, ect...

Ofcourse, just like here at RR where we have the OPTION to view nudity or not, this is not enought for the new age puritians.

Quote - Like abortion clinics bombings.

Interesting that you should bring that one up.  A lone madman -- acting on his own.  Interesting how the acts of a lone, single, by-himself crazy man can be conveniently stretched to apply to an entire culture which so clearly condemns his actions as being criminally insane.

Whereas the actions commited by 10's of thousands of crazed individuals and then following-on praised & celebrated by large segments of a certain culture are spoken of (when they are acknowledged at all) as mere abberations.

Quote - Antrax letters.

Sent by whom?  And for what purpose?  Do you know?  I don't.  And neither does the government, apparently.

Quote - Nudity restrictions

Yes, that's true.  I was just thinking about that the other day when I was in my local friendly neighborhood convenience store -- and I happened to glance at the magazine rack.  Facists, all.  Yep -- that they are.

Quote - V-chips

You mean the chips in TV's to provide a method of screening certain things out for people who don't want to see those things?  As we all know -- the definition of facism centers around forcing people to adhere to certain ideas & modes of thinking that they personally happen to reject.  So giving those people the ability to choose or not to choose for themselves is facism........that's a strange definition of facism.

this thread is beginning to remind me of the old C&D forum :lol: I have a feeling it's gonna get deleted, but I could be wrong. anyway, as a former porno cartoonist, I don't feel bad about nudity, but I don't think I have the right to impose my views on some community of texicans who may think otherwise.

When I was a kid I remember a field trip to Mission San Luis Obispo with my school. The Mission had a nice little art museum in one of the buildings on site. Run by sweet old Catholic nuns as I recall. I distinctly remember seeing nudity in photographs in the museum. This being the mid 1970s, different times, it was no big deal. Our teacher and our general community were quite conservative and religious, for what that's worth. The nudity in the context of a religious museum was probably something like "the human body is among God's supreme creations" to the curatorial staff ... something healthy like that.

We're all entitled to our modesty and to raise children according to our moral principles. I dislike when people are accused of being "prude" simply because they have some personal standards. On the other hand, I intensely like true prudery, which I see as unnatural body shame and the extension of said shame to others by advocacy or force. To my mind, this sort of reaction to traditional representations of the human form in museums is perverse. Not the nudity, the anger over it. Ideally, beautiful representations of the human form in museums are a healthy educational opportunity, not an assault on childhood.

Ok, let's keep it civil, here. I don't want to have to lock tjhis thread.

Fascism is not necessarily a violent approach to enforcing rule. Fascism is a political ideal whereby, by controlling the behaviour and thoughts of the populace, you have a greater national identity and strength. The symbol for this faction in Imperial Rome was a bundle of twigs bound together (one twig snaps easily, but ties a bundle together, and they stand firm). Thus, any attempts by a ruling body that tells people how to think, feel, behave can be construed, in some measure, as fascism.

As such, abortino clinic bombings and the anthrax letters were not the works of fascists.Imposing restrictions on what people can or cannot see, hear or experience within the boundaries of one's nation is - so national laws governing the restriction of nude images would be fascist. V-chips are not fascist from a government's point of view, since it is not they who arrange and co-ordinate which channels/programs are blocked.

And simply because someone points out that fascist behaviour exists in the USA - which it does, no question - does not mean they ae claiming some kind of moral high ground. At last year's Labour Party Conference, the gathering of the ruling party faithful here in Britain, a long-standing Labour supporter was forcibly removed from the chamber and arrested, simply because he vocally disagreed with Blair's stance on Iraq and was wearing a tshirt to that point as well. That is fascistic behaviour, make no mistake. and the governments of both Britain and the USA are using the increasingly draconian anti-terror laws as a means to quash any ability to signify displeasure in the the administrations work.

(end rant)

jonthecelt

Disagreement with the British government's policy on Iraq does not confer upon anyone the "right" to disrupt a meeting.

I recall that after the Brownshirts won a good number of seats in the German parliment, their immediate approach to representative government was to shout down anyone who attempted to carry on legitimate business -- like being allowed to speak without interruption from the floor.

So......who is it that is using facistic methodolgies here?

Insofar as "imposing restrictions on what people can or cannot see, hear or experience" -- as mentioned earlier -- European nations have plenty of restrictions on free speech -- especially on the criticism of certain groups.  The US has very little restriction on the same.  Other than societally-imposed restrictions stemming from the plague of political correctness.  It's perfectly OK to slam certain groups.  It's not OK to slam certain others.  At least they haven't made it into a jailable offense over here........yet.

The sharply rising tide of worldwide anti-Semitism seems to be more-or-less accepted as par for the course.  But a child seeing nudity, and then someone else complaining about it is a far greater threat to us all.  Something to really get worked up about.  Now THAT'S an example of facism!

shrug

OK, I'm going to go ahead and lock this. The Poser forum is not really the place for Political discussions.