my sympathies to any who hafta learn english. all the irregular forms and slang terms are enuff to drive one batty, I tell ya! :lol:

Let's ask the real question here, Mikerender3D, just what kind of merchandise are you looking for? What figures do you want supported and specifiaclly what thype of clothing or other items are you looking for? How much are you willing to pay for those items? The marketplace here is driven by (gasp!) profit! My experience is that there is a little of everything in the marketplace, but you do have to look for it. The reason more clothing and items seem to be on the sensual or erotic side is easy... they sell in bigger numbers and for bigger prices. However, I'm sure if you can give us some examples of what your looking for, AND are willing to pay a fee that will make it attractive, someone will be willing to make it for you. I would however, suggest you put this in the form of a request with specific examples, pictures are always a good thing, and post it to the Marketplace Wishlist forum. Hope this helps you find what you're looking for.

mike

part of it is the way some clothes are made. It's loads easier to color polys on the skin than to make folds, buttons, flaps, etc..heck, even armor's a challenge..;) so slinky and minimal is easier than chadors and capes..;)

Trav, in my opinion, the goal is to make Renderosity more attractive showing more topics of 3D art. That's my idea. You said with sense about the profit, obviously, this is very important for the 3D artist, but is not all the history to make attractive to a client that consider important creativity and differents choices to decide to buy. I check all the products one by one in the Marketplace and in the Free Stuff zone and find more interesting topics in the free stuff than in the Marketplace. You can have an idea of what project you want to do but if you find a place with a lot of topics then you can make a great "brainstorming" in creation and this help to much. Daz3d and Poserworld have this orientation and you find there a lot of diferents topics. Renderosity is powerful but is focus in a very high percent to sensuality and not in a more quantity of topics and that is why my ironic name "Rendersensualosity". And the stuff I need... well... I'm looking for CGI artist in Poser for doing specifics models and clothing and pay for that because don't find nothing arround. For example, I need the topic religion. The only vendor at Renderosity that makes models for this is Pappy411 and Steve at Poserworld (Biblical series, but only for Poser 4), also can find something in Daz3d but not too much. For instances, the great artist Gustave Dor http://dore.artpassions.net/ and the illustrations of the Divine Comedy or Biblical Scenes or something from Judaism or Judeo-Christian or Buddhism or Ceremonies and prayers or any other if you want to make an idea of new models. Try to find ONE face of Jesus in 3D world across the Internet... Nothing, or only in rare cases!!! Or if you plan to make the life of Moises like the old movie of Charlton Heston, nothing arround. If I want to create in 3D an scene of The Passion of Mel Gibson there no stuff to do it. Conclusion: Religion's topic is absolutely dead in 3D and is an important part of the mankind. If you see the great paintings there's a lot that have inspiration in religion. And this topic can interact with others... for example, need a priest for marriage or a rabbi or any minister of differents beliefs to be a part of an scences that is not related directly to religion but need stuff of religion. My idea is to create a new topic named RELIGION AND SPIRITUALITY and will be totally new because only see a few models. I'm interested in this topic and to buy models and clothing. Please, ready-to-use models. Please, let me know if you see something.

Just as a general observation, if one is wseeking something that is typically less oriented towards the "sensual" or provocative, then it strikes me that www.daz3d.com would be the first place to look, followed in general by www.contentparadise.com, despite the large number of products in its catalog from here.

eh.

Poser Pros doesn't seem to do too badly in that area either, but then again, they are "Daz".

RDNA has some lovely clothing too, but much of it is geared to the fantasy realm, or "glamour"

Yeah, love that fantasy and glamor!  Reality is all too often a bvomb on a bus, or a jet liner flying into a tall building.  What use is Poser at all if not to provide with a harmless escape from these harsh realities?
As for clothing, who needs them at all?  Two of the greatest fantasy-adventure writers who ever lived, Edgar Rice Burroughs and Robert E. Howard, had their heros and heroines often perambulating about with a BARE minimum of clothing; and generally considered them to be naught but the degrading trappings of a decadent civilization.
NVIATWAS might not be all that real, but she stands in a noble and laudable tradition.
David P. Hoadley

I like that idea Mikerender3D :)

As it happens, there is quite a lot of support for doing Biblical scenes at Poserworld - not only appropriate clothes but some scenery as well.

Just be glad you are not a Buddhist, then you would be more out of luck!

Mikerender3D, for what it's worth, I do get your point and I do agree with you. But I doubt it will ever change around here, it's only getting worse.

I don't think complaining will help many have done so and you're only going to be laughed at. The more areas poser users get into, the more you will see this problem. A good, but really sad example is Carrara. People used to create great renders with Carrara. Now DAZ owns Carrara and what is being used for? Junk renders, just an extension of Poser.

It's a shame, but what can you do about it, how are you going to change a communtiy that on the whole is sexually obsessed?

Shouldn't that be 'a -species- that on the whole is sexually obsessed'? Like any good surviving species should be...? ;)

The essence of 3D is a pentagon: modeling, setting up a scene, lighting, texturing and rendering.

Mikerender3D is not asking for modeling or even for rigging or even for turning dials to get a face that comes close to how he sees Jesus: he is looking where he can buy it. So if he had Carrara, it would only be used as a Poser extension.

And this is a Poser forum.

I love nudity. It is rare that clothing adds something to the pure aesthetics of the human form. I love sex (which is not the same as nudity), just like I love watching clouds or looking in awe at the beauty of a cathedral or a mosque or a South-east Asian temple.

And if some people are obsessed with sex, it's because they have been told it is bad and that at the same moment they are exposed to an overdose of publicity (and politics!) that uses it to have them do what is wanted of them: spend their money for a placebo of their suppressed craving for extasy, or have the sex drive turned into anger to wage wars. Are you going to be the judge? I am not!

despite what people seem to clamour for in the forums, from what i have seen lingerie, pinup and fantasy style content significantly outsells everyday streetwear.

in the next couple of weeks ill be releasing 3 different items: one everyday streetwear item, one more conservative sportswear item, and one stereotypical pinup clothing pack. ill be comparing the sales on them, and to older items in my store, to see how worthwhile it is to make streetwear.

Quote - I don't think complaining will help many have done so and you're only going to be laughed at. The more areas poser users get into, the more you will see this problem. A good, but really sad example is Carrara. People used to create great renders with Carrara. Now DAZ owns Carrara and what is being used for? Junk renders, just an extension of Poser. It's a shame, but what can you do about it, how are you going to change a communtiy that on the whole is sexually obsessed?

wtf?
the vast majority of people here use poser as a hobby. its recreation to them.

so after they come home from work, they should do what... create renders of tired looking ordinary shmoes sitting in cubicles doing data entry? hey - if they have anything newer than poser propack, they could even animate the data entry on the computer screen with animated GIF textures. joy.

to most, poser is an escape from reality. people want to render fantasy images, not everyday mundane people in dull environments. if the reverse were true, games like 'Cubicle' - where your 3D hero sits at a desk and types frantically to meet deadlines - would populate store shelves and not ones like world of warcraft or call of duty.

I believe Icelandic and Euskara (the Basque language) are harder than English, though Korean grammar is a bit difficult as well.

However, if you really want to confuse a non -native English speaker, try this verse (there are other variants on the web).

Dearest creature in creation,
Studying English pronunciation.
I will teach you in my verse
Sounds like corpse, corps, horse, and worse.
It will keep you, Susy, busy,
Make your head with heat grow dizzy.
Tear in eye, your dress will tear.
So shall I! Oh hear my prayer.
Pray console your loving poet,
Make my coat look new, dear, sew it.

Just compare heart, beard, and heard,
Dies and diet, lord and word,
Sword and sward, retain and Britain.
(Mind the latter, how it's written.)
Made has not the sound of bade,
Say - said, pay - paid, laid, but plaid.
Now I surely will not plague you
With such words as plaque and ague.
But be careful how you speak:
Say break and steak, but bleak and streak;
Cloven, oven, how and low,
Script, receipt, show, poem, and toe.

Hear me say, devoid of trickery,
Daughter, laughter, and Terpsichore,
Typhoid, measles, topsails, aisles,
Exiles, similes, and reviles;
Scholar, vicar, and cigar,
Solar, mica, war and far;
One, anemone, Balmoral,
Kitchen, lichen, laundry, laurel;
Gertrude, German, wind and mind,
Scene, Melpomene, mankind.

Billet does not rhyme with ballet,
Bouquet, wallet, mallet, chalet.
Blood and flood are not like food,
Nor is mould like should and would.
Viscous, viscount, load and broad,
Toward, to forward, to reward.
And your pronunciation's OK
When you correctly say croquet,
Rounded, wounded, grieve and sleeve,
Friend and fiend, alive and live.

Ivy, privy, famous; clamour
And enamour rhyme with hammer.
River, rival, tomb, bomb, comb,
Doll and roll and some and home.
Stranger does not rhyme with anger,
Neither does devour with clangour.
Souls but foul, haunt but aunt,
Font, front, wont, want, grand, and grant,
Shoes, goes, does. Now first say finger,
And then singer, ginger, linger,
Real, zeal, mauve, gauze, gouge and gauge,
Marriage, foliage, mirage, and age.

Query does not rhyme with very,
Nor does fury sound like bury.
Dost, lost, post and doth, cloth, loth.
Job, nob, bosom, transom, oath.
Though the differences seem little,
We say actual but victual.
Refer does not rhyme with deafer.
Foeffer does, and zephyr, heifer.
Mint, pint, senate and sedate;
Dull, bull, and George ate late.
Scenic, Arabic, Pacific,
Science, conscience, scientific.

Liberty, library, heave and heaven,
Rachel, ache, moustache, eleven.
We say hallowed, but allowed,
People, leopard, towed, but vowed.
Mark the differences, moreover,
Between mover, cover and with clover;
Leeches, breeches, wise, precise,
Chalice, but police and lice;
Camel, constable, unstable,
Principle, disciple, label.

Petal, panel, and canal,
Wait, surprise, plait, promise, pal.
Worm and storm, chaise, chaos, chair,
Senator, spectator, mayor.
Tour, but our and succour, four.
Gas, alas, and Arkansas.
Sea, idea, Korea, area,
Psalm, Maria, but malaria.
Youth, south, southern, cleanse and clean.
Doctrine, turpentine, marine.

Compare alien with Italian,
Dandelion and battalion.
Sally with ally, yea, ye,
Eye, I, ay, aye, whey, and key.
Say aver, but ever, fever,
Neither, leisure, skein, deceiver.
Heron, granary, canary.
Crevice and device and aerie.

Face, but preface, not efface.
Phlegm, phlegmatic, ass, glass, bass.
Large, but target, gin, give, verging,
Ought, out, joust and scour, scourging.
Ear, but earn and wear and tear
Do not rhyme with here but ere.
Seven is right, but so is even,
Hyphen, roughen, nephew Stephen,
Monkey, donkey, Turk and jerk,
Ask, grasp, wasp, and cork and work.

Pronunciation -- think of Psyche!
Is a paling stout and spikey?
Won't it make you lose your wits,
Writing groats and saying grits?
It's a dark abyss or tunnel:
Strewn with stones, stowed, solace, gunwale,
Islington and Isle of Wight,
Housewife, verdict and indict.

Finally, which rhymes with enough --
Though, through, plough, or dough, or cough?
Hiccough has the sound of cup.
My advice is, give it up!!!

Maz

While I do agree that pornification is a valid trend in 3D art, I disagree -strongly- with the idea that Carrara might ever become an extension of Poser due to its purchase by DAZ3D. I used to work with Bryce, now I work with Carrara, and I am a DAZ brokered artist, but that has never stopped me from criticizing DAZ. Pornificating Carrara is not one of their shortcomings. You can't blame someone who makes a screwdriver for people sticking it up their ass to enjoy quality time.

DAZ 3D is mainly a Poser content store. Poser makes people, people are naked, and it costs money to dress them. The fact that there's a lot of little perverts out there has no connection whatsoever to Poser, DAZ3D, Bryce, Carrara, your mom, or me.

Thank you,

m

I think one reason there are less biblical things is that there are issues with the flowing forms in clothes that conforming clothes jsut didn't satisfy too well and dynamic clothing is a pain and looks like garbage a lot of the time. Just one of the reasons there isn't more. Good luck though.

I'm sorry, but I do have to disagree. I do agree that DAZ is content store. They do use the applications they've taken over (Bryce/Carrara) to push their content, it's very obvious. So yes, imo, DAZ is responsible for the downgrade of Carrara. I'm not the only one with this opinion, did you ever wonder why the main Carrara user base (from before DAZ had taken over Eovia) refuses to migrate to the DAZ forums and actually rather have nothing to do with DAZ? Because of all the sexual tinted content DAZ is pushing. Most of those guys are true 3D artist that rather not be linked in any way to DAZ.

Which ever way you turn this discussion, it's a fact that amongst true 3D artists, poser users are ridiculed and laughed at. That's not due to something Poser as an application lacks, that is due to what the majority of Poser users create with Poser.

Poser and Carrara are very serious applications, but most users have used to create junk and filth and that is very unfortunate. Due to this Poser has gotten a name and it can't shake it. Some of us are trying to help  Poser out of this pit of filth, but it's though. Unfortunally, Carrara is slowly sliding into the same pit......

Quote - Because of all the sexual tinted content DAZ is pushing. Most of those guys are true 3D artist that rather not be linked in any way to DAZ.

... some guys will see something sexual tinted in a sphere. Oh wait, I have just noticed that my desk has legs! And they are gasp! blush! naked O_o! O tempora, o mores! puts on her best asbestos g-string bikini and goes to put some freaking clothes on these freaking desk legs kitty5

..... and some people don't realize the potential danger lurking around.

So what's new?

Quote - > Quote - I don't think complaining will help many have done so and you're only going to be laughed at. The more areas poser users get into, the more you will see this problem. A good, but really sad example is Carrara. People used to create great renders with Carrara. Now DAZ owns Carrara and what is being used for? Junk renders, just an extension of Poser. It's a shame, but what can you do about it, how are you going to change a communtiy that on the whole is sexually obsessed?

wtf?
the vast majority of people here use poser as a hobby. its recreation to them.

so after they come home from work, they should do what... create renders of tired looking ordinary shmoes sitting in cubicles doing data entry? hey - if they have anything newer than poser propack, they could even animate the data entry on the computer screen with animated GIF textures. joy.

to most, poser is an escape from reality. people want to render fantasy images, not everyday mundane people in dull environments. if the reverse were true, games like 'Cubicle' - where your 3D hero sits at a desk and types frantically to meet deadlines - would populate store shelves and not ones like world of warcraft or call of duty.

You know.........I just had the most horrific vision.

That I went home from work today, and, rather than working on what I've been working on..........I rendered my working life.  Sitting here, and dealing with money.

A fat chick on an office chair at a bank.

Now THAT is the new hotness.  I expect to see that in EVERY gallery by Friday.  I may even have a "Fat Chick In An Office Chair" contest.

Quote -  

Which ever way you turn this discussion, it's a fact that amongst true 3D artists, poser users are ridiculed and laughed at. That's not due to something Poser as an application lacks, that is due to what the majority of Poser users create with Poser.

I'm gonna call BS on that.  Most of the people I see ridiculing Poser as an app have HORRIFIC portfolios.  And I know PLENTY of professional 3D artists that, whether in a jam or not, will use Poser and its' content.  Just because you've encountered a handful or rude people doesn't mean that it's the majority.  Simple fact is, the minority opinion is usually the loudest.

i'm sorry, aeilkema, but i disagree:

"So yes, imo, DAZ is responsible for the downgrade of Carrara."

They've downgraded it? What, they pushed v4.9 and I wasn't around? they have yet to do squat in terms of carrara, they won't even let me peddle perfectly decent content for it yet.

"did you ever wonder why the main Carrara user base (from before DAZ had taken over Eovia) refuses to migrate to the DAZ forums and actually rather have nothing to do with DAZ? Because of all the sexual tinted content DAZ is pushing. Most of those guys are true 3D artist that rather not be linked in any way to DAZ."

their refusal is not our problem, nor is it endemic of anything. a forum doesn't necessarily increase skills, or communication, or anything. like if i was to call you an effing lunatic with a piss-poor gallery and way too much time on his hands which he could just as well spend rendering instead of bitching, i wouldn't be helping you evolve as an artist. and all forums have that. if anything, those people couldn't approve of others, or their art, and had developed a clique mentality. Again, their problem, not ours. What they wish to do with their time is their problem.

"Poser and Carrara are very serious applications, but most users have used to create junk and filth and that is very unfortunate."

Some of the art is good and some of it isn't even art. That's not something to agree over, that's just reality. If someone can afford to buy Carrara, even if he has no talent, he'll use it. And good for him.

I'm not sure you're familiar with the story of Bryce, or how much we all expected it to be scooped up by someone for YEARS, and have them upgrade it. DAZ did that. Not all of us were happy with where it went, some of us migrated to other apps, etc. It just happened and we moved on.

You can't slice and dice a mainstream community. You don't like it, use a different app or create yourself a community that doesn't pander to evolving and mainstream artists.

And don't say nudity is mainstream. It's just a portion of mainstream.

you're free to come chat more about it in our chatroom. check out hte link in my sig

Amen MorriganShadow.  You may be a fat chick, but I love your spunk.

"The fact that there's a lot of little perverts out there has no connection whatsoever to Poser, DAZ3D, Bryce, Carrara, your mom, or me."

Excuse me, but since I weigh approximately 170 Kg., I beg to differ.  There is absolutely nothing LITTLE about me.  I dare say that if I were standing in a door that you wanted to pass through, you would definitely notice.
DPH

Gaelic is a difficult language to try to learn, but here's something for everybody "Ta me Oza Mor", pronounced tah may ozza more. Translation: I am the Great Oz. great fun at parties!

"I do get your point and I do agree with you" Thank you, Aeilkema, for your opinion. My position is easy... Want to buy religion related 3D models for Poser and can't find it. Last year or the other (don't remember), I receive an email from Renderosity that said I was nominated as the best buyer of Renderosity or something like that... can't find the URL of that info but it's true. Probably, I'm the best buyer on DAZ and not for Religion's stuff because doesn't exists there. My point of view is 100% as client's view and IS NOT to complaint against the behaviour or taste of the people or if that guy is an E.T. or is the Marquis de Sade or Jack the Ripper or AndrAgassi. Only want to buy... that's it, and my complaint is oriented ONLY there because can't find the stuff I need and Renderosity have the human's resources to do it but is high oriented to sensual stuff excessively without taking care of others areas. Today, for me, is Religion stuff, tomorrow can be other topic but Rendersensualosity still there today. The fact is obvious. Keep in mind that the client's view IS NOT the CGI Artist view. I need your art and can pay for that. Want to mention a funny fact that I saw in a person that was sorting the Renderosity stuff in his computer. He create two folders, one folder named "Renderosity" and the other "Renderotica" to divide one stuff genre for the other and is not the only guy that use this criteria for sorting. If someone want to model clothing, props, characters to religion oriented, please, let me know. Note: Sorry, gothweaver, but Archangel Character Pack for David 3.0 and Archangel Michael for M3 is out of topic, that IS NOT an Angel or Archangel and you have no idea of Angels. Check Part 6: Images from Gustave Dors illustrations to Milton's Paradise Lost, of http://dore.artpassions.net/ to get an idea of what is an angel and to orient your talent that is great.

To be frank, Renderosity is a broker, and does not control (well, to a point) what the vendor(s) create.  If you cannot find religious products, the best way to at least make it known that there are people that want that sort of thing, feel free to make a post in the MarketPlace Wishing Well forum.  I can't guarantee that it'll be made.  But, at least you've made your voices heard to the merchants, at least where they should be checking. 

Upon further look (I'm at work, so it takes forever to load, sorry), I see you've already made a post. 

Now, I do know that DAZ did create a Shepherd for M3, which can be converted to other biblical characters, with or without the headpiece, and with different textures on the robes. 

Another factor may be.....many people may not be comfortable creating Religious items.  Some may feel like selling religious products just feels wrong (myself included), and others may not want to offend their userbase. 

I'm not a modeller, so I wouldn't be able to help you. 

To address another point, I'm not getting where the "DAZ is brokering Sexuality or sexually charged stuff" point is coming from.  Look outside, modern people (hopefully the fit ones) are wearing less clothing.  Are most mature adults?  No.  But, are most of the people here rendering every day, mature adults?  Nope.  You look in the gallery, it's mostly sci-fi and fantasy.  Clothes are tight and/or nonexistant.  That's the consumer base.  That's where merchants tend to veer, toward what sells. 

I think another problem with the marketplaces as a whole is the McDonald's mentality.  We're used to, as consumers, asking for something we want and getting it.  Unfortunately, the MarketPlace is not a "Have It Your Way" type deal.  It takes time to create products, and most times, it's for little or no turnover. 

Quote - Amen MorriganShadow.  You may be a fat chick, but I love your spunk.

;)  thank ya  My spunk today may have something to do with the fact that our Muzak machine at work is actually playing something that isn't Elton John ;)

Quote - Sex sells, so that's why you will find a lot of lingerie and skimpy outfits for Victoria 3 and other female figures.

I think it also has something to do with the limitations of the program. Underwear and other small peices of clothing are generally easier to pose. Poser doesn't handle cloth very well in it's current version, and so any large and elaborate peice of clothing may look strange (for instance having a woman in a long dress sit down on a chair).

no offence to anyone who uses carrera, but carrera is not, and never was, a 'professional 3D application'.
find me one animation studio that uses carrera in their workflow.

carrera always was, and still is, in the bryce/poser family. bryce/poser/carrera are hobbyist or enthusiast applications.

theres nothing wrong with enthusiast applications - i use several myself, since theyre often far easier to use and less bloatware. but to imply that carrera was some sortof uber application of hardcore professionals and has now been corrupted by daz ownership and association with the poser community is absolutely absurd.

if you have such contempt for poser what are you doing in the poser forum? thats like standing with your pants down in a brothel shouting that you hate hookers. :rolleyes:

goes back to creating filth

if you have such contempt for poser what are you doing in the poser forum?

I myself have no problem with Poser at all and that's not what the discussion is about either. It's about what people create with Poser and why most of the content is geared at one thing only.

I love Poser and I love using it for my projects, but I just don't like what most people use it for, it gives Poser a bad name and it deserves much better.

isnt what people do in their free time with a program they paid for out of their own pocket their own business?

i somewhat understand your point, but i just dont get why you are so concerned with what other people do with poser. pinup, erotica, fantasy, glamour, sci-fi, etc are all just as legitimate genres. you may like to create renders of ordinary office folk sitting in cubicles, but if someone else wants to render a NVIATWAS render its their business. most slug it through mundane jobs all day being flogged by obnoxious bosses, come home and want to create something other than dreary everyday reality. you can hardly fault them for it.

perhaps someone who has a fantasy job, or is independantly wealthy, creates renders of people digging ditches. who knows. either way, theyre not hurting you - let them do whatever they like :)

theyre not hurting you - let them do whatever they like :)

Well actually they are..... I cannot outright say what I'm using for creating my comics to a number of people using the comics. It would have a lot of explaining to do if they figured out what I do use, because of what Poser is normally associated with and it wouldn't be to good for business.

I also know of a number of other 3D 'artists', carefully keeping secret what they use for creating their images, just because of what Poser generally is associated with.

I really do hope the majority of hobby users will switch in the end to D/S and that Poser will be geared towards to more serious users.

Well, sorry to say, but if you're not sure enough in your work to say "Yeah, so, I use Poser.  What of it?", then, we can't do anything about that.  I don't understand why it has to be about what other people think about your work.

If there are people at DC and Marvel that use Poser, why can't you?

Actually, let me add to that. 
If someone were hassling me with my Photography, saying "Oh, I can't use this.  The Photography industry/community/other artists are known for using their cameras to make porn, therefore, I can't use your photo of a family playing at the park", I would probably get that dumbfounded look on my face.

The Tool an artist uses does NOT define the art of the artist.

Yet, here we are, time and time again, rehashing the same arguments, week after week.  Sometimes, we get a weeks' vacation from it.  Really.  If you don't want to tell your clients or readers what software you use, that's skin off your back, not mine.  I'll continue to use my software for promos for Church, the local School district, as well as some small Family Oriented business.
The fact that some people utilize this software to make artwork that I don't and isn't what I make has NO bearing on what I make.  There are oil painters that paint landscapes, there are those that paint nudes, those that paint abstracts, and those that paint still life images. If I were deathly afraid of the sea in one landscape, would that keep me from purchasing a still life of a violin and a vine?  Nope. 
Again...

The Tool an artist uses does NOT define the art of the artist.

Just putting in my two cents here, but I don't make Christian products because I'm not a Christian.  If Renderosity tried to tell me I had to, I'd probably laugh at them.  shrug

I don't care what other people make, buy or render.  More power to them.  Everyone should be able to express their creativity without Big Brother standing over their shoulder. 

MorriganShadow, sorry to say so but you obviously didn't get the point at all. Well enough of all of this.....

There was a point?

That's what i figures.... no point pointing out the point once again.

i like pie.

Hey, didn't you post in my gorgeous hunk thread a while back?

Mmm.  Pie.

Quote - Mmm.  Pie.

I'm so hungry I could eat 3.141592654 of them right now.

I like pie, too ;)

Also, aeilkema, I don't understand what your point was.  If your point is to get every one who uses Poser for pinups to stop, good luck, have at it.  Your odds of winning the New York State lottery are better.  Other than that, I pretty much think that, unless you didn't explain something that you were trying to send us all telepathically (sorry, I skipped my ESP lessons), I just responded to what you posted. 

If you'd like to enlighten us with your actual point (which actually differed from that of the main poster of this thread), I'm all eyes.

Hmmm the point I thought, was Mike asking where he could obtain some religious themed articles of clothing instead of what is presently offered, and why there were more of the latter than the former here....The basic answer he got, was "Because thats what sells"

Now I have a question.....why does that have to be the only thing that sells....does everyone have to float in the same boat, or ride on the same wagon?

What happened to unique stuff? What happened to trying new things, and pushing for new things to sell?...I myself think if it were created more {different articles of clothing, not just religious based} that it could give the present skimpy clothing a run for its money..

With everyone scampering for 'realism' these days, why are people stating things about non reality..fantasy, and so on? Fantasy is great, and there is some amazing work going on here with all the products, but why does that have to be the only thing out there? Ya want realism or fantasy?

Im sure there are a majority of people who would like to have regular clothes and so on for their characters.....they may be harder to model, but so what?...harder work gets more pay Im thinking..{course I could totally wrong about that one }

Anyways, Im just blathering on here...got me thought processes working..so ya'll continue on..

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With everyone scampering for 'realism' these days, why are people stating things about non reality..fantasy, and so on? Fantasy is great, and there is some amazing work going on here with all the products, but why does that have to be the only thing out there? Ya want realism or fantasy?

Im sure there are a majority of people who would like to have regular clothes and so on for their characters.

Yes, there is definitely a void where "normal", "regular", "non fantasy", "casual but not sports/grunge" type clothing is concerned.... a void for that kind of hair as well.

Good luck trying to dress up an older figure. There are no age specific hair styles out there and a year of pleading on the various forums and in this wish list and store forum, have gone unanswered. Instead we're inundated with more updo and upsweep and glamour type styles.  As for clothing, the casual are too casual and the dressy are way over the top. There is no middle ground.

If I ever learn how to model I would concentrate on filling that void because I know in my gut that there is a demand for it.

Hm, I think there must be another probleme with "Poserworld". I´m a member since a long time and Steve was always nice and has helped us without any problemes. Poserworld has a store for single buys and also the membership. There is a mailinglist at "google", sign up and try to to reach Steve on the list.

By the way, French is an awful language to learn ;-)

Saludos

Andrea

Exactly Acadia!

And Im working my tail off trying to get enough experience behind me to start modeling such things..sure it would be harder...but the payoff could be larger too ;)

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I'm so hungry I could eat 3.141592654 of them right now.

I actually laughed at that. :-S

goes back to making boys

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - Mmm.  Pie.

I'm so hungry I could eat 3.141592654 of them right now.

I actually laughed at that. :-S

goes back to making boys

Thank god I'm not the only one, LMAO