Having probed the new HDRI-empowered bryce 6 (haha, get it? probed), i think it's pretty neat what DAZ has done with the app. If you're interested in any sense towards my extended views on the matter, you can read my small review of the app here and (an oider post) here. It's certainly not as detailed as some other posts I've seen by people here, where the entire DAZ experience is portrayed as something short of a mid-coitus high, but I think I bring in some objective arguments without smoothing DAZ's ass with my puckered lips.

What I really came here to post about is something that kinda annoys me, the comments some of us leave on works made by others. What I do, for instance, is that once of twice a week I go through all the newest works posted in the Bryce, Carrara and C4D galleries, pick out the ones I think are good and comment on them. If I judge the piece as too poor and I'm not in a helping mood, I generally just toss it and concentrate on the ones that are between good and excellent. And if I rate it, I only rate it with a 5, if it's worth it.

Anyway, that's just me. What annoys me is that looking at other people's comments, now that we have avatars, I can see trends emerging. And by trends I mean people who comment the very same thing on all the works, regardless of who uploads them. That annoys me. It means A) that you don't really judge my work, you're just out on a volume stunt where, out of courtesy, 10-15% of the people you've dropped a 'OMG EXCELLENT HUGS XXXOOXXX' will take a pity comment on your work, or B) you really don't know any better.

If it's A, it's pretty pityful and you require professional help, because it's just one step away from outright begging for attention. If it's B, and you really don't know any better and just have your own standards over how many kisses and hugs you give out based on how good the piece is, then you might reconsider what you're doing. Because I don't think any of us really like an 'empty' comment like that.

cheers

drac

Right on, drac!  I only comment and/or rate images that I think are good.  If I can offer some constructive criticism on how to possibly improve the image, I will.  If I can't, I don't.  I don't post generic comments just to post and I hope anyone who looks at my gallery ( as small as it is ) does the same.

Drac as far as Bryce goes you are comparing apples to oranges. Naturally anyone who uses the upper eschelon programs is going to say that Bryce is lacking. For pete's sake Bryce is an ancient program compared to today's products. BUT for someone just getting into 3D and on a limited budget it's a fantastically poweful program.

Carrara Pro $549.00

Carrara $249.00

Bryce 6 $99.95

That's a substantial difference in price and thus availability for people on a small budget. I've seen the evolution of graphics programs over the years when something with Bryce's power would cost in the thousands. I'm sure anyone using 3DMAX or Maya would have the same opinion of Carrara.

Any serious 3D artist looking for more power and having the money will naturally go with one of the upper programs and hardly look back on Bryce except as a learning experience. That doesn't make Bryce a bad program. Hell I'm looking into getting Vue Pro because of the features it offers.

Don't knock people who can only afford a Volvo when you drive a Ferrari. They both do the same job just one may do it in style and alot better.

i understand what you're saying, but with all due respect, i don't think that's what my main point was. And plus, you can get software packages that do more than bryce at a low price, even free.

Ah, but the challenge . . .      ;^)

Bryce 6 is only the beginning, Draculaz. Starting with a partial core code rewrite, and a few new features. Were you there for the artzone featured chat with Dan and Chris? I was.

I think most are afraid to take the chance that a comment will be reported as offensive, and not just at renderosity.

drac, I agree in great part with your assessment on the commenting in R'osity's galleries.  It took me a few years to feel brave enough to post anything here because I was terrified of receiving criticism.  So I began posting elsewhere even though I was a member here first. 

Later, I began craving criticism. I'd reached a point where I felt it would help me improve.  That's when I finally took a deep breath and began a gallery at RO.  Lo and behold, I was surprised to see how the commenting had changed.  Gone seemed to be the critiques and helpful suggestions for improvement in lieu of gushing, overdone comments. Don't get me wrong - some images here are truly excellent and deserve the accolades they receive.  But IMVHO, definitely not all.

If done properly, constructive feedback can be a wealth of info or help, especially since the commentor is not married to the image & able to provide an impartial perspective.  Whenever I have received constructive crits, I've usually sitemailed that person thanking them for taking the time to do so.  If it will help me improve, I am appreciative that someone felt their time warranted helping me by their suggestions.

I would like to see the spirit of helpful crits return to R'osity.  But with so many here who get bent out of shape if everything isn't "OMG that is just amazing - Huggerz!!!111!!!", I doubt we will ever see this approach return 100%.  IMO, that is kind of sad.

Drac is right. There really is too much in the way of happy strokes going on, and not enough real compliments and constructive criticism. Epsecially the hugs - that stuff irks me too. If its good or great - compliment it. If it needs help but has potential - offer constructive criticism. Over at the Artmatic forum Eonite gave me some pretty hard constructive criticism on a Voyager image I made. Instead of crying about it, I valued what he had to say, and it improved the image and my skills in the program. That's what this whole community should be about - the longevity and improvement of digital art - not just a feel good lovefest with no real merit. Right on Drac!

OK,..........is this like a Papal Bull ?  To address some of your points (from both here and the Digital Knights site) Fluffster,......OK,.........I do leave either "Outstanding !" or "Well done !",......rarely do I have the time, energy or inclination to compose something truly original, as I'm too old(54) and to busy. I am also bothered by the "Hugz" stuff and don't do it myself.(except in the case of young good-looking women, oh and maybe Zhann, she's hot !),  (Oh and you're pretty cute too Fluff !). So what's the harm in that ? As to Bryce 6,..........hey,........I like it ! Bugz and all !(although I'm hoping Daz will fix them sooner rather than later). I do have a dual dual core machine and the multi-threading capabilities are very good in B6. Yeah,  the fact that B6 only uses the "probe" type of HDRI's is annoying (hopefully this will be addressed in the point upgrade also) and as to the render times, try C4D sometime, at least with B6 you can save and restart the render, the skylab is improved IMO, the render engine is better (somewhat faster and a tad more accurate as far as the rays rendered), no, I think the dog barf, cat yak color of the interface is a poor choice (obviously a result of too much Stoly and pizza the night before) but overall Daz did an accpetable job of upgrading(providing they FIX the bugz). As to needing professional help,..........my wife's been telling me that for years ! Never I say,...Never !  Anyway,........that's my story and I'm sticking to it ! Hugs XXXOOOXXX !

goes to find his shotgun

pulls up a comfy seat and waits....

covered from head to toe in Kevlar clothing,......take your best shot

me brings in the steamroller

here mousey..

sackrat is now called flatrat

     I also like the constructive criticism too. I find the generic hugs and stuff annoying. If you like something put some thought into it and point out what you like about it. It is more valuable. I think the sky rocks. etc. You would know what someone liked about an image and know what they can go back and try in another form again.

Quote - sackrat is now called flatrat

thinks sackrat will now have to re-do his avvie

;-)

Sounds like the old gripe we had about the h20 back in the day. Its the same people here. Doing the same things. You should know Drac, screaming, bitching will get you no where.. ;-)

@draculaz
I've been reading all of these comments.. here are mine:
When I first came to Renderosity I knew nothing about 3D art and It fascinated me... I started learning and thank those people who really cared about me,  I now know something about art.. Maybe not much :P  but at least more...   I also remember those people who just said the same thing to everybody.... "great!"...  "way to go!" .... " Good render"...  on and on...   I didn't care if they were mutant robots or stuck records....   I was nuorished by it....   I'm still an egg!

Maybe you are growing my friend into another artistic element..:-0    perhaps transforming your art and you are in need of diffferent nourishment...  Maybe you are looking for that final render that will send you into your next evolution...   
I like irking people on their paths....  It does not take much to just let them know you are there... much like children...  

I heard the other day from someone that if you still use the "LOL"  in your e-mail you are an immature individual...  I hate to have told them I still use the icons..

It sounded like a bit of snobbery....  Tell you what, when you see my stuff just take a look and tell me what you think... I'd appriciated more than leaving an empty space....   Want empty space go to Painter forum...  NOT A WORD!  why.. "because I'll say something only if it has potential"... You tell me what potential is, when you are speaking of spontenious art?  ..  Words are lights and I prefer the light to the darkness.. even if it is a single match...

"tiss better to light a candle than to curse in the darkness"  

Tom

Personally, I like the happy strokes on my artwork... if it has some content.  But, I don't learn unless there's constructive criticsm.  For instance, my work, "Local Job".  A few very nice comments, and I do love the recognition for stuff I do right.  But, some were kind enough to point out that the rails sucked, and should be redone.  I'm torn about doing a repost with fixed rails, because then I lose all the nice things people said, as well as the criticism that helped me improve the image.  Of course, I'll fix the image later, and maybe... MAYBE do a repost down the track, but I know the attention the image gets as a repost will be far less than the original.  I know this from experience of past reposts.

Now, as for me posting, yes I gush at times and I try to be appropriate with it, but I also don't comment when I see something that makes me want to poke out my mind's eye.  I know I like it when people have good, pertinant things to say about my work, so I try to return the favor if the work merits it.  And I do try to offer good criticism when I think a little tweak here and there could improve the image.  As for rating... for me to give a 5, it has to be near flawless, otherwise, 4s and 3s are all I give.  Why give 2s and 1s?  If you're going to do that, why even comment let alone rate?

So that's where I sit on the gallery comments.  Personally I miss the H20.  I only made it on there once.... no twice, briefly.  I do agree that some people rigged it to vote in a bloc to make themselves and their clique to look good, but there were a lot of really deserving images on there... and not just nude Vickys. 

I seem to recall this being your cause celebre as well back a few years Drac.  Ca plus meme change... et all. We luv ya, you sour persimmon you.

(:c)BE)
:::that's a big ole toothy grin for those in Rio Linda:::

MDB

Counter point from a terminal hobbyist

Drac, please take a closer look at the screen names of postings in Bryce and the early experimentations into the program that are being posted.  I comment on some, sometimes a lot, sometimes few, based on how much time I have to spend looking. (which ain't much) 

I quit rating the stuff many months ago.  I quit checking rate my stuff when I occasionally have time to play in bryce and post.  Key word "play"..   I do leave comments though.  I know I don't have the time to devote to growing my meager skills much anymore....BUT... I do remember my earlier days when I gave a durn whether someone liked it or not.  I know I felt encouraged when someone took the time let me know they at least looked.  So I do comment when I feel someone is at least trying something beyond moving the store bought models and props around, or generating two to thre defaults terrains and posting it.   I don't hug and kiss the artist but I will offer words of encouragement and point out what I like if appropriate. 

I DO AGREE WITH... helpful, courteous, constructive criticism is seldom seen anymore.  I suggest that  the better users stop being so discreminating that they simply ignore or "toss out" the less than perfect and occasionally remark what is good and what needs more work on the passed-overs.

Willie

I hear you Drac, comments here (or anywere) rarely have criticism.

Then again im (hands up!) one of them that would quite happily put a "wow" on someones image not just because but for the reason that an image blew me brain away. 

Sometimes an image doesnt need a whole memo written, just a simple "Fantastic!"

There's also the question of time, i cant view or comment every image i would like to so i just take from my favourites or kind people who"took the time"! to stop.

It more difficult when you have a more permanent gallery and friends (remember im a reporter at 3DC) someplace else. I would love to comment and view every other gallery and website with 3d art but is not possible. It does take time to get to know an artist/person, i noticed with time a fellow member will get to know you better which in turn will show in the comments.

I dont spend as much time in the 'rosity forums here to get to know people better so i dont comment here as much.

As for ratings i dont do them anymore, this should just be for competitions/judging not everyday uploads.

Then again you have different artist who might just love to do a similar "style" of work everytime. It might look the same to some people but that is that person's right. It would be sily adding the same "wicked abstract" comment every day but i still respect the effort.  Some people have the skill to render a similar ABS every single day while others just do a scene every month 'cause thats what they like doing.

It still nice to be able to say to that person "well done, keep it up (another awesome abstract how the **** does he/she do it).

Comments in any form are what keep artist (oh yes we are) going forward.  People should use the forums more often to talk about an image and "discuss" all the good and bad points about it.

Alex,

I don't want any "creative criticism" after 3-4 days of render; only friendly comments, hugs and consoling words...hehehe

heh..wouldn't be the Bryce forum if Drac didn't  occasionally come down off the Carrara mountain, and poke the animals through the bars with a sharp stick..;)

I comment on what I like, or something I can see how to fix, or just sometimes when the spelling and grammar leave a taste of irony too powerful to resist..;) I try to be constructive, handing out pointers and praise with equal aplomb (yeah, right..;)

I see Drac's postings as an art form in themselves..;)

WoahDrac! Waytogo! I want your babies!!!!!!!!!  xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxooooooooooooooooxxxxxxxx!!!!

I've been around here over three years now so it's my pleasure to announce that your dead on with regards to the comment siruation. Never thought I'd agree with you on something. (I do visit the forum once in a while) I see people going around leaving OMG comments all over the place begging for return OMG comments on there posts and by God they get them. It's not about art around here it's about how many butts you lick. I just gave up on the whole thing. I'll visit the galleries see something I like it doesn't matter who the artist is (don't give a darn anymore if he or she visited my CAT gallery) and leave an entertaining comment. My belief is that a comment is as important as creating a pic. You wind up with very little hits  using this method  but at least your honest  towards  yourself.   So  go for  it  folks  OMG  everything  you  see  and watch  your  hit  count  go  through  the  roof.  Amen  to that !

I thought and edited and thought and edited a longish post... then snipped and decided to say:

OMG!!!!!! DRAC EXCELLENT POST
HUGZZZ   XXXXXXXOOOOOOOOXXXXXXXXX !!!!!!!!!  :):):):)

Quote - Sounds like the old gripe we had about the h20 back in the day. Its the same people here. Doing the same things. You should know Drac, screaming, bitching will get you no where.. ;-)

I think Drac just needs some attection and a hug, but doesn't know how to go about asking for one :P

I'm glad I decided to finally get involved in the forums today, those pointless little comments have annoyed me for quite a while too ( though I have to agree with omac2 about the occasional "wow!" and
 "fantastic!" stuff). I remember when I made my first post Denger made a comment about some pixilation in my render which led to a few e-mails sent back and forth about formatting saved images; this really helped me in my post-working of future images. While I've had a few critiques since then, I kind of wish that people would tell me what they would like to see done to my work to make it better.

Hmmm... Maybe those "XOXO" people are critiquing in some weird new form of binary. :-P

Objectively critiquing people's work and helopng them get better is often a rather significant time investment. Not one that a lot of people have, and not one that people always come when they come here.

In my example, when I'm in a more studious mood, I tend to crack a book or a tutorial and try to learn something for myself. I don't feel like I depend on other people's feedback in order to get better. I look at the 'masters work' and I tell myself, I need to figure out how to do this. Then I go looking, tutorials, internet, programs, books, the info is out there.

Any time I'm finished with a piece, I can see at least 20 different things on it that I think could have been done better, where there is a gap between my skills to create something and my theoretical knowledge. So, when there is a critique, about 8 out of 10 times, I'm thinking, yeah, I already thought of it. I have it on my to-do list to practice it more on my next piece. So, hearing things I already know, I find frustrating.

Nice comments however really help my motivation and drive to keep practicing... since I already have the inner drive to try and outdo myself each time I do something. I almost never do an image unless there is something new I learn along the way of doing it.

Also, when I'm interested in critique, I post a WIP in a relevant forum, with thought, comments or questions, rather then in a gallery. Putting something in a gallery sort of implies (to me) that the author considers something a finished piece. Audience either connects with it (for a number of reasons) or they don't, and move on.

I'm not trying to say that this is a way things 'should be', but I wanted to illustrate an opposing view to point out that there is a number of different people out there, with a number of different reasons and goals for participating in here. 

I'm looking, on one hand, there's people whom are wanting intellectual and technical support, butt at the same time are depreciating the value of social and emotional support. I want what I want when I want it, and unless you offer me what I want, rather then what you have time and energy to offer, I'm going to knock you.

So.....  you guys want critique... here's some: Learn to appreciate things differnt from those that appeal to you or that you want. Learn to understand and value both, or all, sides of the argument. It will help you with your artistic expression, and it will make 'other people' grate your nerves a lot less, and it's helpful with life in general. It's really a win/win proposition. 

And... I still think that Drac secretly wants a hug.

I'm scared.
Anyone else?

Sackrat, I've never seen a receeding ear line before.  hee hee hee

mdb

I LIVE for the nice comments; my ego needs a lot of praise! :-))))

I agree with the general sentiment expressed in the first post.  I give drac five stars, three cheers, and two thumbs up.

Hmmm... Connie has given me something to think about with emotional support stuff, but I still think that the "xxxoooxxx ~hugs~" stuff is a bit of overkill.

Dude where's your hair!!!

      HUGZ*

Quote - Connie,...........does this look like a man who needs a hug ? Hee, hee, hee, hee. It's the Fluffinator !

A hug? No.. a Straight Jacket.. Maybe.... haahaa

You guys you guys... you underestimate the power of a good hug.  I've seen many of grown men run off in terror and screaming the minute a smothering warm fuzzy motherly hug is mentioned.  ;P
http://www.cutefunnyanimals.com/Funny/warmhug.jpg
be afraid... be verryy afrrrraid .... Mrrrrrrruaaaaahahahahahahahahaha
HUGZZZZZZ, Connie 

Hey, sackrat... I think you left your webcam on... http://www.dapper.com.au/funny4.htm

Quote - I heard the other day from someone that if you still use the "LOL"  in your e-mail you are an immature individual... 

That's a super easy one to counter. Just tell them, LOL, making conclusive judgement about someone's maturity nased on three letters isn't exactly an epitome of refined mature critical thinking. Then I'd ask them, what kind of maturity they had in mind, intelectual, social, emotional, spiritual, sexual, psycological, physical etc... LOLOLOL...
Link to a short audio clip to go with LOL: http://www.amazon.com/gp/music/clipserve/B00000JJ9V001001/0/ref=mu_sam_wma_001_001/104-7027162-4792721

Sometimes when we judge, we only end up making ourselves look narrow minded... The irony is, it takes some social, emotional and intelectual maturity to recognize and understand how judging others (especially negatively, based on limited information) reflects on us.

Oukay kitty... shooo, off the philosophy soapbox... NOW!

Oh my god Connie,................I thought I turned that damed camera off ! The one with the hats is me and Mrs sackrat. Ain't we cute !
Yeah,.......consider if everyone was socially, emotionally and intelectually mature,......what a world this would be ! It's a dirty little job, but somebody has to do it !   goes bouncing around the room like Daffy Duck, shouting woohoo, woohoo, woohoo

I discovered early on that any hint of constructive criticism without Pavlovian rewards would get your fool head snapped off..;) then after that, their 'amen corner' chimes in, and you have a whole chorus of angry voices. Usually if it gets that bad, I just delete my comment. I graduated from high school in '76, but apparently some folks out there haven't..whatever their ages..;)  present company excepted, of course, even our Rumanian Poster boy (and yes, that pic's been Photoshopped/gimped/whatevered..;)

Ariannah said:

Quote -  

Later, I began craving criticism. I'd reached a point where I felt it would help me improve.  That's when I finally took a deep breath and began a gallery at RO.  Lo and behold, I was surprised to see how the commenting had changed.  Gone seemed to be the critiques and helpful suggestions for improvement in lieu of gushing, overdone comments. Don't get me wrong - some images here are truly excellent and deserve the accolades they receive.  But IMVHO, definitely not all.

I think she's right. After a long while, I returned to the galleries, and I saw the comments are really changed from the past. That's why, now that I'm learning XSI, I almost always flag the "critical preferred" option in the comments tab. It's really a matter of choice: if you are here to improve, then you simply must be happy to receive criticism, because here's full of talented people and you can only learn from them. Otherwise, no problem: you want hugz and kizzez, you have them aplenty, but... to what use?

Just my 2 Euros (you know, inflation times here in Italy) :)

Stefano 

Oukay, perhaps I'm little dense here...

Those of you whom want constructive critique... How often have you given it or gotten really involved in something to do with critique (other then complaining about lack thereof)

How come there are so few posts in art theory and critique forums, and elsewhere people are complaining about not enough critique?  I'm looking at the forum description:
"Stimulating and Informative discussions about art, techniques, color, perspective, composition, balance and all aspects of art, regardless of medium."   and the forum is D-E-A-D    
It had fewer posts in a week then this thread. 

Why aren't people wanting to ask for and offer critique flocking to that forum???

Why don't people wanting critique point blank asking for it? Are you somewhat passively expecting others will read your mind?

Another thing on ceritique, just few weeks ago I was participating in another similar thread on critique, or lack thereof. As a result of that, I took one of my WIP's, and started a thread where I was sharing the process of creating something, and asking for critique on things, as it went along.
There wasn't a whole lot of critique offered. I thought maybe people were afraid to say too much, so I thought, okay, lead by example, show them you already see a few dozen things wrong with the image, maybe that will break the ice and people will start chiming in... so I made a post with a 20 or so point self critique...  Still not a whole lot of response, except for couple of people whom I invited from the previous forum/critique thread.

I know I'm not that good that noone had a thing to offer for improvement or critique, and I know I'm not that bad either.

Soooo, tell me you guys/gals whom are complaining about the lack of critique, why weren't you in there critiquing (not just my work, but in general)? Why aren't you leading by example?  What's stopping you?  Why aren't you leading by example?

For those of you whom may feel they don't have anything to offer... there's always a newbie on a an entry level whom may need to learn something that you just learned last week. The best way to solidify something you learned is to try and explain it to someone else in a way it makes sense. Don't be one of those people whom takes and doesn't give back.

Where did Drac go anyway? He better be critiquing someone's artwork...
I'm waiting here with his hug! [Kitty tapping foot]

[someone, kick the soapbox from under me already!!!]

Okay Connie, Deal. (Shoves her bodily off the soapbox and takes it for himself ).  ummmm and I do this with all due respect milady... 

If people want my serious critique and artistic opinion, I'll give it here at their request if they don't mind it publically viewed.  It used to be, about 2 years ago or so IIRC, that many people posted here when they put up a new work, and people would follow the link and then comment here on it.  Some very good critiquing going then.  I learned a bunch that I can now see in my work.  One of the best tips and tricks I see ignored in work is turning off the damn ambience in textures.  If you look at my earliest works, I didn't learn that for a bit, but the instant I did, my art improved dramatically IMHO.

But, there is a cost to this... your comments to your picture will drop dramatically, except for those not participating in this forum or offering happy stroke commentary.  So that is your big trade off.  Personally, I think people have become uncomfortable to sometimes offer true opinions because they have a tendancy to really tick some people off.  I also know that sometimes posting a hard opinion, all be it constructive, in the wide open gallery comments feels too much like dressing someone down in public.  There have been times that I'd have loved to take a scene someone rendered and then re-rendered it in my own inimitable turn to show what I would have done differently as a form of criticism.  (maybe there's a challenge in there somewhere). 

So what say we revive an old tradition of when you post an image, put a link here if you want serious criticism.  People can post their "public" gallery comments there, but then put serious criticism here in the forum where some serious learning can be done, and hopefully we can revitalize some of what this forum is supposed to be about... learning, sharing and growing... okay and some fun too.

I wasn't nicknamed "The Critic" for nothing when I was trying to get into comic books. ;c)

MDB

Having read each and every one of the posts in this thread I find that now I have little time left to leave any constructive well thought out crits and so with this in mind.............. OMG!!!!!! This thread is the most fantastic read I have seen yet here at Rendo!!!! ------xxxxxxxxxHUGSandKISSESgalorexxxxxxxxxxx---------- which when translated means (please comment on the next thread that I start....please!) PS......and if you don't know what I like to hear.....start with at least 3 OMGs.....throw is some FANTASTICS and EXCELLENTS.......and give me lots and lots of HUGS and KISSES!!!! But only if you are a woman of course.

At work, [ yanks the soapbox from under mboncher - gimmie that :P ] I get to train people pretty frequently. Rather then critizing their work, I often get into explaining to them... here's what I tend to do, and here is why...

I almost never say I like, or I dislike... Constructive criticisam is not so much about personal likes and dislikes, as it is about technique and art theory etc... Sure, part of art theory is your general human psychological response to certain imagery, BUT... that's very general, middle of the road.

There are so many individual variations in individuals psychological makeup, that personal likes and dislikes of a single individual are not necesarrily constructive critique.

Also, a goal of a certain image, or a message needs to be considered too. If the image is suppoesed to be (happy halloween) scary, gloomy, ominous... it's likely to invoke negative emotions in the viewer, and a viewer may criticize it and say, I don't like it, just because they are experiencing negative feelings. Well... if the viewer is experiencing negative feelings, and that was the intention of the artist, then the image is a success.

What I'm getting at, when critiquing someone's work, the critic needs to be able to put a lot of their own personal likes and dislikes aside, and criticize someone's work based on whether it's conveying the intended message, and whether it's hitting the intended level of technical difficulty.

Perhaps it wouldn't hurt to put together some sort of guidelines on how to ask and how to offer critique... this may avoid too many hurt feelings and misunderstandings??? Sort of like rules/guidelines of the engagement? [yeah ... I watched the pirates of the caribbean, again, last night]

DRAC! [where did that fella go?], I hereby put you in charge of assembling the rules of engagement! May the force be with you!

oooh, I forgot....
------xxxxxxxxxHUGSandKISSESxxxxxxxxxxx----------   Connie

It's got a good beat and I can dance to it,.........I give it an 80 !

I have always welcommed constructive criticism of my works. Some I have agreed with and taken well on-board. Others I have replied with my intentions when creating the work. The discussion has been valuable. If anyone sees something in my works, let me have it - please.

And if you just want to say that you like it, I will say thanks and that's cool too. (I think I can force myself to accept warm fuzzy hugz if it is from a cute girl!)

... Let you have it...
... now that sounds tempting, where did I put those cute little padded thumb cuffs I got in a cracker-jack box...
[:m_blush: did I just say that out loud :m_blush:]

....from a cute girl... uh-oh, I better change my avatar, maybe Rgus will let me use one of his pinup-faces, make you guys think you're getting a hug from the likes of her ...

Tiggerrrr... I meed a new picture of you, for my avatar, where ar you, here kitty kitty kitty.... No flash, I promise...

Quote - That's why, now that I'm learning XSI, I almost always flag the "critical preferred" option in the comments tab. It's really a matter of choice: if you are here to improve, then you simply must be happy to receive criticism, because here's full of talented people and you can only learn from them.

Do you think that many people here want real criticism? Regardless of how tactfully it was made? (Hey, nice to see you back again, Stefano! Still learning XSI? You gotta be kidding.)