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Subject: Oh Well . . . .


Svarg ( ) posted Thu, 07 December 2006 at 5:00 PM · edited Fri, 22 November 2024 at 12:53 PM

I know this is probably not the best place to say this, but well . . I just have to get it off my chest. 
This is an international site. That's a Wonderful thing that I appreciate and revel in. But I know that there is a large percentage here that are American. Perhaps I shouldn't say this, I really don't want to step on any toes but I couldn't help but notice that there hasn't been a single image uploaded to honor those who died in the service of our country on this day so long ago. I put my humble little offering out there thinking that it would be overwhelmed by far better tributes to those heroes but, much to my diasappointment, I could find none. Now, the day's not over, but I don't think I'll hold my breath. I don't like everything that happens in this country, but I hold those who die to protect it in reverence. 
Ok, I'll get off the soapbox now. Sorry if I've offended anyone.
Ken

"Imagination is more important than knowledge." - Albert Einstein


tom271 ( ) posted Thu, 07 December 2006 at 6:01 PM

I for one have no excuse to have not posted something.....

I did not honor the attack on pearl habor.



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pakled ( ) posted Thu, 07 December 2006 at 6:15 PM

haven't had time lately, but glad someone did something. Of  course, I miss Canada Day, Boxing Day, Sport and something-or-other day (Japan), Youth Day, Arbor day, etc.,..;)

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)


Paul Francis ( ) posted Fri, 08 December 2006 at 11:10 AM

Attached Link: Valhalla Americana

A salute to all heroes. Not a new piece, but I thought of this straight away.....some of the comments people made really went wide of the mark.....

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mboncher ( ) posted Fri, 08 December 2006 at 11:51 AM

My father in law served in WW2, so it wasn't far from my mind.  I was just happy that the media didn't forget Dec 7, but was saddened to hear that it was the last time that Pearl Harbor Survivors will be meeting at the Arizona memorial (65 years is a long time I guess).  Most of them left can't handle the travelling much anymore, and most agree they won't see the 70th anniversary since they're all pushing 85 and 90. 

Unfortunately, I didn't have an image to post, so I stayed away from doing a tribute.
mdb


Svarg ( ) posted Fri, 08 December 2006 at 2:08 PM

As for the survivors, they too will be remembered, for they took even more risks and gave themselves to their cause just as much as those who didn't make it through not only the attack on Dec. 7th but the entire the war. 
I didn't mean to berate anyone for not posting tributes. I was just surprised that there weren't more.

"Imagination is more important than knowledge." - Albert Einstein


Elfwine ( ) posted Fri, 08 December 2006 at 2:20 PM

When I was in the US Air Force and on my way to Desert Shield/Storm, we flew over the Arizona Memorial on our way in to land. The pilot dipped both wings in a salute as we passed over. May God bless everyone around the world who served and faught to keep us all free!

 Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things!  ; )


rickymaveety ( ) posted Fri, 08 December 2006 at 4:01 PM

And me, for what it's worth, I honored the vets by just remembering and being bummed out all day.I'm not much of one for battle images or patriotic images, and somehow I think a mouse in a uniform would just trivialize the whole event.

Given the fact that, as you mentioned, it's an international group, and many here are too young to remember Vietnam, much less WWII and Pearl Harbor, I'm not surprised that there wasn't much of a tribute.

But, take heart, it doesn't mean that there aren't those of us out there who care. There are ... some of us just express it differently ... my art tends to be more animal centric and is an escape for me so I can get away from the awfulness in my life. (Of which there is plenty.)

Could be worse, could be raining.


mboncher ( ) posted Fri, 08 December 2006 at 11:23 PM

See, for me, what makes it sad is that this is only a year or five away from being just like a WW1 memorial, no veterans left, nobody alive who remembers.  Something only history buffs know and care about.  I mean, if you did a "man on the street" about "The Great War", most people couldn't name a single hero, general, battle, invention or effect that war had.  Heck, I'm a minor history buff and I am woefully ignorant on this war.

mdb


rickymaveety ( ) posted Sat, 09 December 2006 at 9:16 AM

Oh, they could, it's just that they wouldn't know that they could.  People know about the Red Baron, and No Man's Land, Sergeant York, Mustard Gas, Kaiser Wilhelm, Tsar Nicholas, George V, the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand at Sarajevo .... they just don't know that those were important people or things associated with WWI.

If you ask most people, they would probably say that the Red Baron was shot down by Snoopy.

Ah well.

Could be worse, could be raining.


bikermouse ( ) posted Sat, 09 December 2006 at 10:40 AM · edited Sat, 09 December 2006 at 10:49 AM

The day before yesterday December 7th a day which will long be remembered as the day I.E. 7 started crashing my computer. But we cannot hallow cannot consencrate these  grounds  . . .  as I'm too busy trying to find a cure . . .  but when I get this problem Ifixed  I wil do this that and the other thing not because they are easy but because they are difficult. . . . Did I mention I had a dream? so taking a break from all this Im gonna go make me a meal but I am not a cook.
 defaming The Evil Empire wil have to wait  .. . read my lips no new faxes...and incidentally I did not have sex with that woman, Mary Noel  : so stay the course.l

"on Dasher .. on Dixon..  on cupid .. On tavo" !!


Svarg ( ) posted Sat, 09 December 2006 at 11:23 AM

@ rickymaveety - Or the tank, or the machine gun, or the reinforced bunker, or "the trenches".  

Also, it is an unfortunate truth that war is an art, science, profession, and even hobby to so many that the battle tactics of Alexander the Great, Napolean, Washington, Hitler vs Ike, etc. will never die. I don't know, maybe that has it's good side. But the dedication of those who offer up their very lives for their fellow men & women strikes me to my core and I get all choked up. Guess I'm a sentimentalist.

"Imagination is more important than knowledge." - Albert Einstein


rickymaveety ( ) posted Sat, 09 December 2006 at 11:45 AM

Yeah, I was going to add trench warfare, but it got lost in all of the other items.  And we could add the aircraft dogfight, in fact aircraft as true vehicles of war (not discounting balloons which were used in the American Civil War), and true field hospitals (although there were some attempts in earlier wars) .... 

But, all those lives lost, and seldom for any good reason.  I do think that WWII had some jusifiably moral and ethical reasons behind it -- the concentration camps. deporations and gassings were an atrocity that could not be allowed to continue (and shouldn't have been allowed to get started in the first place), but most wars??  I can understand the history and causes ... but the justification seems lacking somehow.

On that note, the Danes have always been very high on my list of those people who stood up to Hitler in the most amazing way.  Did you know that when Hitler invaded Denmark and ordered that all Jews should wear Stars of David, the Danish King countered with his own order that if any Dane put on a Star of David then ALL good Danes would put on a Star of David, himself included.  He would not tolerate that any Danish citizen should be treated as less of a human being because of their religion.

He then proceeded to get as many Danish Jews to safety as he possibly could, and made certain that their homes and businesses would be there waiting for them when it was safe to come back.

Amazing man .... would that more leaders of nations were like him.  I love the attitude that "my people are my people are my people -- doesn't matter their ethnicity, their religion, or whether or not they like me personally as a King."

Whoa .... I got off the topic, didn't I??

Could be worse, could be raining.


Svarg ( ) posted Sat, 09 December 2006 at 12:19 PM

No, you didn't get off the topic. It's all about courage in whatever form it may take. Pearl Harbor day was just a good starting point.

"Imagination is more important than knowledge." - Albert Einstein


Death_at_Midnight ( ) posted Sat, 09 December 2006 at 12:21 PM

I did a BBQ with my family.


pakled ( ) posted Sat, 09 December 2006 at 3:12 PM

It's easier to concentrate on past wars when you're not in the middle of one, I suppose. I've been by Pearl Harbor (Honolulu), but was 'too young' to go at the time. I lived for 2 years on Kwajalein, Marshall Islands which was a battlefield in '45, so I'm quite familiar with the war (absolute stupidest thing I did in my life was find an unexploded 5" shell, and brought it to the local police [I was about 7], one slip or trip and I'd be a grease spot).

WWI I don't know as well; Gavrilo Prinzip, the German raider ships, Q ships, the Zimmerman Telegram,  the 'sealed train' with Lenin, but the really nitty-gritty I don't really know..;)

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)


electroglyph ( ) posted Sun, 10 December 2006 at 9:52 AM

 

I'd like to use the excuse that my motherboard is down and I'm using a little laptop with no Bryce. The truth is I probably would not have done anything anyway. I remembered the day, but what right do I have to it? I was born in 61. None of my family actually fought in the pacific part of the war. Uncle Bill marched into Paris without a scratch. Powell was killed in France by charging an SS machine gunner to rescue civilians. My father -in-law (a civilian) spent part of the blitz in tunnels on the coast siphoning gas from downed Messerschmitt so we could crack and duplicate the German’s high-octane performance.

 

I see Pearl Harbor as a deeply personal event. I have no right to put my own spin on it. I doubt I could do much better than the USS Arizona by way of a memorial. Leave grief for the grieving and memorials for those who do remember.


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