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I have it on very poor authority that they are going to ban nudity completely on this site.

Quote - If  there is a problem with the nudity at the site the  set the age limtit to 18 and above. but i dont see what the big deal is if people  would read the captions  they clearly say "contains nudity" there would not be any mistakes made as for which pic they click on.  i think its just wrong to Ban Nudity when that is a form of art also. the human body is a beautiful thing why  hide it under clothes.  it makes no sense .

yeah that is one way of doing it. And maybe the right way. also why not make the site accessible by credit card in formation since most of the people who post in the gallery buy from the store.

Quote - I have it on very poor authority that they are going to ban nudity completely on this site.

but that is the next logical step when you think about what changes have been made to site gallery in the time they have been made.

now no nudity or violent images in the thumbs. but people who complain about things like that are never satisfied

but the rule say the thumb has to depict the render

what if its a nude or violent render

if you think about it they are trying to ban nude renders in the gallery only in a George Bush way

indirectly

Nudity is NOT banned in the galleries and no plans for that to happen. 

Quote - Nudity is NOT banned in the galleries and no plans for that to happen. 

Were there any plans to change the thumbnail rules before last night. If so how far back did they go.

Well it is no surprise that GW sent on the path to armegeddon...boy hard to tell what may blow first! The world or Renderosity!
LOL!
Ariana

Quote - > Quote - Nudity is NOT banned in the galleries and no plans for that to happen. 

Were there any plans to change the thumbnail rules before last night. If so how far back did they go.

Change the thumbnail rules before last night? Well seeing as how we announced it on Monday then yes there was???? We have been talking about this change for quite some time.  
What is your point?  

The rules are in place and effective as of today.

that sounds very well thought out indeed. a whole 3 days and a major change....
Good planning.
Onward and downward, marching as to war, with the eyes of the PTB going on before.

3 days? I didn't' say anything about 3 days. I just stated that it was most definitely thought about before last night just by seeing we posted about it on Monday, that was kind of a joke but I guess it was missed by you. Sorry I wasn't more direct.

 We have been discussing this and getting everything in place for a lot longer than that..  When a policy change is made it doesn't happen overnight at all, it is discussed and planned out for a lengthy period of time.  

Can you see the future. You really can not say that no plans to ban nudity in the gallery will be talked about. For all you know the idea may come around next week and be announced for the following Monday.

I mean really what if too many thumbnails  fail to meet the requirements and Renderosity is forced to either change the rules back to the way they were or remove nudes from the gallery.

Sure this is speculation but how far is it from what could happen.

We have NO plans in the foresable future to do away with nudity altogether. We certainly haven't ever talked about and implemented a big change here in a week? Not even a couple of months, things have to be planned out and thought out and discussions usually begin more than a year before big changes are ever made.  

And too many thumbnails failing to meet the requirements won't  force Renderosity to change the rule back or remove nudes from the gallery.  As a matter of fact even on this first day, there haven't been very many that aren't meeting the new requirements. The majority of those have been talked about in this thread so we are pleased to see so many members following, without incident ,the new policy.

First, what is PTB?

Second, notice that the mods/admins say, "We have no plans to ban nudity completely in the galleries."  I'd point out that "no plans" is very, very different from "never."  After years upon years of hearing "We have no plans to do 'X'," from various Community Reps in various industries (movies, video games, legal departments, television, etc.), the distinction should be fairly obvious to anyone.  Right now today, they aren't banning nudity, but nothing stops them from turning around and changing their mind tomorrow.  

The first steps have been taken.  We just have to wait for the right *tomorrow.

*P.S. Thanks for stepping in to attempt to halt the personal attacks, Stacey.  They're getting kind of old...

Giolon,

It really disappoints me that there is being way too much being read into just changing a thumbnail policy to help make the site have a more professional look and the other factors that were involved in bringing us to this decision. It really is as simple as a thumbnail change. I have to say we have no plans of removing nudity from the site because that is the truth. That has not even been a discussion. The artistic nudity is beautiful and its not something we are trying to get away from at all. So please lets not read something into this that just isn't there.

Oh and PTB is the "powers that be" I'm assuming. I really don't care for that term but that is what it means as far as I know.

I would like to point out the obvious VERY GLARING misleading sentences please.
We have NO plans in the foresable future to do away with nudity altogether"
"We have no plans to ban nudity completely in the galleries."

So, would you like to clarify the upcomming changes to the galleries so people can leave NOW and avoid the hassle of an overnight turnaround?

.... and the other factors that were involved in bringing us to this decision... 
 ========= 
PTB

Yes? And?

Why was my question blow off like it was nothing? Does this mean that YES there are changes comming to the gallery as well? Or just that you don't want to answer yet untill it's too late?

What? I just said there have been NO discussion on doing away with nudity??? Did you read my post before yours to Giolon?

Please do not put something there that simply isn't there. This is a simple change to the thumbnails and that is it? Nothing changed on the full images, it was a thumbnail policy change?

Quote - We have been discussing this and getting everything in place for a lot longer than that..  When a policy change is made it doesn't happen overnight at all, it is discussed and planned out for a lengthy period of time.  

Obviously not long enough to figure out what a stupid idea it was.

Here's an idea - and one that should have been thought of and implemented eons ago - have the thumbnail be a downsized version of the original image, so that a viewer knows exactly what he is getting when he clicks on it.  Instead of having people waste their time opening up a boring image that the artist managed to create an interesting thumbnail preview for, or missing an image they would have liked because the thumbnail wasn't interesting enough in itself; and even further complicating matters with this stupid, retarted new thumbnail policy.

And if someone doesn't wish to see nude thumbs, they can configure their settings so that they, along with the original image, remain hidden.

Quote - I mean really what if too many thumbnails  fail to meet the requirements and Renderosity is forced to either change the rules back to the way they were or remove nudes from the gallery.

Sure this is speculation but how far is it from what could happen.

Or what they plan on having happen someday.  (Of course, you can tell which direction they would go next)

Also, need I mention the irony that the new standards for thumbnails are in fact more stringent and prudish than many beaches around the world?

she did answer.
*"It really disappoints me that there is being way too much being read into just changing a thumbnail policy to help make the site have a more professional look and the other factors that were involved in bringing us to this decision. It really is as simple as a thumbnail change. I have to say we have no plans of removing nudity from the site because that is the truth. That has not even been a discussion. The artistic nudity is beautiful and its not something we are trying to get away from at all. So please lets not read something into this that just isn't there."

*It's clear. consise, very good english and makes the point. I don't have any probs understanding it..

so. thats that answered.

That is what MOST of my thumbnails have been. But I can't do that anymore due to the new change. I'd rather see a thumb that has the full pic as well. And it makes it easier as well. Because then you don't have to make yet another picture to put up as a thumb.

The one thing that pisses me off most is how am I supposed to depict a full render with a 100x100 thumbnail. that is not  the smaller version of the render. How well does that and *(contains nudity) work.

also the whole business with not counting second skins as clothing when the majority of the new texture sets in the store all have  2nd skin suites.

I say they went the worse way possible in fixing something that really was not the problem. the problem is how lazy people are in configuring the settings.

*Obviously not long enough to figure out what a stupid idea it was.

*That is your opinion and you are entitled to it the same as the members who think it is a good idea . 

Quote - *Obviously not long enough to figure out what a stupid idea it was.

*That is your opinion and you are entitled to it the same as the members who think it is a good idea . 

You know what I think would have been a better Idea. For Renderosity to have held a pole to see what the people think.

I had gotten a few in my email not too long ago and I took them. But RO should have posted one on the site. If they did we could have avoided all of this. I mean really was that change really needed. I think not.

The site has the filters for one,  you have to put if your image has violence or nudity in it in order to upload it. I may have missed it like I did the horror section. but there is no section that allows you pick nudes when picking the style of render.

I think it is more than clear that the site does intend to ban nudes from the gallery all together.
and like what was said before. These are just the first of a few steps.

I mean what happened to the customer us always right. One of the basic fundamentals of business.

Stacey I sure am glad you have this job and not me I would have locked this tread a long time ago. ( I keep running into the same wall)
hugz

it should be locked. it has been stated over and over again what the rules are, that nudes are not being banned.

the same 3-4 are NOT LISTENING and repeating the same rubbish over and over again.

it is clear that they do not care what they are being told, they are just out to troll the Staff and cause trouble.

lock the thread. it's time.

Like I stated, there looks to be changes due in the galleries because of the certain words that are bing used. completely, and alltogehter clearly express that there are comming changes, and I for one would like a heads up BEFORE it is implemented. Sure, they aren't talking about getting rid of nudes ALTOGETHER or COMPLETELY, but there are changes, aren't there?

I just Don't swallow everything I am being fed especially when it smells funny to me.

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Its plain and simple and I feel sorry for any one who does not feel it should change. jenx you do not even have a gallery and k you have like six in three years so you really cant say anything or should not say thing. this gallery and store matter to me. And to tell you the truth I have hardly ever been wrong especially about thing having to do with economy of a store or any business being a business owner my self.

Um, huh? 

I have a smallish gallery compared to some because a.) I've deleted older works of mine that I thought were crap  b.) having been a moderator here for almost, what, 3 years, gave me little to no time to actually render something of substance and c.) I don't just crank out a render every day.  I take at least a week to setup and decide on my scene before it gets rendered.  I also create a lot of my own textures for figures and clothing, so that factors in roughly a month's work for each of my pieces lately.
So, yeah, my gallery is small. 

BFD

Next move?

sorry. My Doctor has just advised me not to talk to you (dlblue), it's bad for my bloodpressure.

Well, that's not surprising. i do tend to ask the questions that no one wants to answer.

Obviously by banning nudity on thumbnail you are suggesting nudity is wrong or evil and that we should teach our children that a naked body is bad. Congratulations you just have corrupted to mind of the child as your parents did you and so forth. There’s one way to get out of this and that is to ban nudity all together that way you would have no more problems and no more members. Instead of protecting people you are corrupting people and turning the human body into pornography. Shame on you renderosity.  

I did answer your question and this is the last time I'm going to say, if you have any other questions please direct them to admin@renderosity.com 

Its ashame that this thread will probably end up getting locked because of a few who are trying so desperately to put something here that simply is not just for the sake of stirring something up. 

Implementing a policy of censorship tends to stir things up.

The 3DCommune has had this very same "No nudity in thumbnails" policy for...what?...6 or 7 years now?

No complaints....the membership continues to grow as well as the store sales.

I wonder why a handful can not seem to accomplish what "Thousands" of others manage to do on a daily basis.

I grow stupider with every page I read.

Tom

Quote - Implementing a policy of censorship tends to stir things up.

The new thumbnail policy is something true. The rumors trying to stir stuff up that is completely untrue is a whole other ballgame:(

waves to Tom

Quote - sigh

I think this threads run it's course you know...

sigh i think you have a nasty streak in you

sitting on the sidelines ive seen you post primarily antagonistic posts to anyone who doesn't agree with the change.  if youi have nothing to say about the change why do you post.
 you think this thread has run it's course........seems many more people don't if you can't be constructive ...don't be anything jmo of course

billy

Quote - > Quote - sigh

I think this threads run it's course you know...

 

sigh i think you have a nasty streak in you

sitting on the sidelines ive seen you post primarily antagonistic posts to anyone who doesn't agree with the change.  if youi have nothing to say about the change why do you post.
 you think this thread has run it's course........seems many more people don't if you can't be constructive ...don't be anything jmo of course

billy

I have a nasty streak? how about those hounding stacey all night?
they don't? she's answered them over and oever and over again. they keep asking the SAME things over and over and over again

and you think I have nasty streak? ...ye gods...

and for your information, I posted my views.. in page 1.
sorry.

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - sigh

I think this threads run it's course you know...

 

sigh i think you have a nasty streak in you

sitting on the sidelines ive seen you post primarily antagonistic posts to anyone who doesn't agree with the change.  if youi have nothing to say about the change why do you post.
 you think this thread has run it's course........seems many more people don't if you can't be constructive ...don't be anything jmo of course

billy

I have a nasty streak? how about those hounding stacey all night?
they don't? she's answered them over and oever and over again. they keep asking the SAME things over and over and over again

and you think I have nasty streak? ...ye gods...

and for your information, I posted my views.. in page 1.
sorry.

yes and all your this thread should be locked on other pages as well as other unkindnesses to people who don't agree with you. i didn't post my opinion for you to defend yourself you don't have to, it wouldn't make any difference to what i think or posted

i don't post in the galleries, i'm not good enough. if i did and they were nudes i would see nothing wrong in posting a non nude thumb. that said those that don't agree with me have as much right to state their opinions as i do. and as often as they like. but no all you do is try and shout people down. please stop it. when stacey says no personal attacks i presume she's including you and some of your posts. think about it. while it good to defend someone it isn't if you do so at the exspence of someone elses right to post. stacey is a big girl and i'm sure can hold her own, if not she only needs come to my place where i will gladly hold em for her hehe. jk stacey.

billy

hang on. we reading the same thread here?

I was talking to everyone reading or posting to the thread about not making it personal.  
I don't think any one person should be called out on this thread as I have seen several members not being very respectful, constructive or productive with their postings.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion no matter what side of the fence they are on.  

People, people, lets gets civil here, there is no reason that this should go down the "slippery slope" and into the toilet where it is heading.  The way I see it, our thumb nails are a form of advertisement, a way to get others to look at our work.  There are two groups I think who are having the most  trouble with this change.  There are those that have no clue of how to promote there art other than appealing to what they want seen and there audience wants to see.  Perhaps a few lessons in constructive image layout for advertisement would be helpful.  To you it really should not matter and should challenge you to learn that there is more to your art than the aforementioned T&A BTW I don't consider this a true artistic term.  The human body is an amazing work of art but only a handful can appreciate the form fully as artistic. 

The second group having trouble with this are those that are crying censorship, I cannot blame them but lets be fare about this.  Just because it has happened before does not mean it will happen again, sure it means it could. I don't blame them because they are merely reading the past history and predicting the future which we know can eventually happen, it may not be today but it will likely happen one day and it is sad to me as an artist. 
Keep in mind it is not the artist that is under attack here, it is the art itself.  Censorship is a real thing and we are seeing a great change and unfortunately at times a NEEDED change in the way we view such art as nudes.  I fear the days of tasteful nudes and pinups are being dragged into the realm of smut and as such labeled by the PC police and the real PTB not (Renderosity).

I am an artist, as such I hate to see these changes but I understand them and why they are being implemented.  You will hear no protest from me on this matter as I relay don't see a need for it at this time.  But if and when the day comes when MY ART and other good artists in this community is labeled as smut or  "not appropriate"  I will put down my brush and watch as the arts fall back into the dark ages controlled not by the majority but by a few who who believe they alone know what true art really is and how it should be displayed.

BTW Stacey G I have no idea how you can remain so calm but I am pleased you have and that you did not just post this as law and walk away.  We do need open communication if we are to be understood and if we are to better each other and our art, it is the only way IMO.

That's all My opinion take it or leave it.

lock the thread, sew the scene. Shut your mouth, its too obscene.
Personal slander, is for the weak. Tits and bums not for the Gander.
Crochete instead, and stitch together policy thread
in a minute flat, the site goes splat..

Stir the pot, Stir the pot, Stir the pot.

Why, forsooth? 'Cause it needs, needs stiring 
gentle friend.

And on that note we should end.....

censorship is in full swing ladies and gents. I was just threatened with a banning. because my thumbnail was an exact representation of what was in my image. It's not just nudity at stake here. There WAS NO nudity in my thumbnail. period.

I feel like a salmon going up stream here but I have to say I agree with the policy.
As it is now I can not browse the gals at work so can only hit my safe favorites and
 when I get home is time to get working my own art  and products .
 New artists will now be discovered and maybe new friendships.
 I have been doing the safe thumbs for years takes all of 15 secs tops. 
I do have a question though........ I have in the past put beside the title the words 
"contains nudity" or just "nudity" , is this going to be a no no baddog now or will it be allowed?
remember peeps ya gotta give respect to get it. nuff said.
yarddog out

I do have a question though........ I have in the past put beside the title the words 
"contains nudity" or just "nudity" , is this going to be a no no baddog now or will it be allowed?

That will be fine it you want to continue doing that, yarddog, along with an acceptable thumbnail. Thanks.

Bite's Tongue

Sumbuddy stop me....lol

lol .. ty Karen