But surely you knew that we poser users worship the renders we make as gods?

Quote - a while back I worked as a marketplace tester for a few months, so I have pretty good familiaroty with the Marketplace TOS. Marketplace guidelines specifically say no nudity on the ***first ***image only. It is allowed on any additional images.
So unless the MP has changed its policy, that image is not a violation.

**In actuality, if the character is deemed "too young looking", then nudity is not allowed on any of the store pages. Apparently, the tester and MP Managers didn't think this particular character looked "too young" to be shown nude.

Gaby,

If you think she is too young to be shown nude, you have the right to send a message to either ClintH or DebbieM stating your concerns.**

Looked at the ad .... doesn't appear to be a child to me.  Looks like an elf.  And, an adult elf at that.  And you have to go looking for the nude shot.

Went over to look at Gaby's site, and all I can say is "blech!"  That's my personal opinion, but I'm sticking with it.   That's the stuff that I would prefer not to run across while viewing the galleries.  To me, it's not "erotic" ... it's just plain old garden variety porn.

Since I am not a follower of either the Christian or Jewish religions, I'll leave the rest of the debate to people who care about that sort of thing.

I really don't get this thread.

As a side note Lucifer, from one non-monotheistic person to another - Its a little naive to call the bible fiction.

Quote - This was in reference to making an IDOL and then saying this is GOD to WORSHIP.

In this part there is no reference to any idol, idolatry, gods or any kind of worship. The Bible is very clear and explicit about idolatry in many parts.
Even Egyptians had gods represented by bulls, aligators, dogs or cats, as I know nobody has ever worshiped or made an idol for a squid, a lobster or the likeness of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth.
Even you consider it a worship you must remember that Poser is used to represent our female or male idols, godess, nude Vickies in a temple, Saints, Virgin Mary and Jesus himself!!

I'll believe in any god whose existence can be proven by logical debate.

Ah Lucifer, that's a good one! A very nice paradox.

If the existence (or non-existence) of a god ever can be proven, there's no need for belief anymore. The existence (or non-existence) becomes a fact, which stands on its own, independent from belief.

No one has ever been able to prove that God/Allah/Brahma/Jupiter/etcetera exist.
No one has ever been able to prove that God/Allah/Brahma/Jupiter/etcetera don't exist

So where does that leave me? I just don't know, and I'm content with the fact that I can not know.

That's one of the reasons I became a Budhist.  No bothersome "gods" to worship (and, no ... we do not worship Budha as a god).

So, I don't need to get into the logical conundrum ... yippee ... more time to render.

One of these days I'll tell you all about the old Budhist parable on faith ....

Links to porn site removed.
Thread flagged for nudity.

Gaby - could you please refrain from telling lies in the forum. You have never had a gallery image removed. Although we have asked you, twice, not to post the link to your porn site.

We now return you to your regular scheduling. Coming up next it's "Renderdale" followed by "Renderation Street"...

yannow...all these religions ya'll keep spoutin bout is just silly...theres only 1 god and its ME!! so get down on your knees and worship ME!!!! :)

A: Budhism is not a religion and 
B: I'll pass on worshiping you, but thanks for the offer all the same.

Quote - I'll believe in any god whose existence can be proven by logical debate.

Damn!!!, there's no more God or G-d?, no more idolatry???
Hurrah!!!!, we can continue using Poser and making more nude Vickies!......

Quote - Links to porn site removed.
Thread flagged for nudity.

Gaby - could you please refrain from telling lies in the forum. You have never had a gallery image removed. Although we have asked you, twice, not to post the link to your porn site.

We now return you to your regular scheduling. Coming up next it's "Renderdale" followed by "Renderation Street"...

Karen,

I don't know if you noticed, but there is still a link from Gaby's gallery to her porn site.  It's not super noticable, but it is in fact there.  For myself ... not an issue, because I promise you I will never go over to that site again.  I'm still scrubbing off my eyes with Clorox just to get the taint off.  :)  But, it's there (the link I mean) all the same.

I'm not really certain why anyone would call a site like that "erotic."  It's got nothing to do with being erotic .... it's just plain gross.  It makes some of the worst Poser porn look like great art.

I think I got the other two references here, and the gallery..thanks Ricky

If I might throw in $.02 about child nudity.  Child nudity for the sake of art by itself is not illegal, controversial, yes, but not illegal.  Until 2003, virtual pornography in the United States depicting minors was not illegal until George Bush signed the PROTECT act (which even makes some of your favorite ANIME -not hentai- illegal by definition).  So I don't think it's out of line for a Renderosity that is open to WIDE community that has tastes outside of the constant pinups to enforce strict rules and interpertations regarding this matter. 

Well, and the nude child has been a staple of great art since time began.  Little naked cheubs in religious art ... even baby Jesus, naked as a J bird in several great artworks.

It's a little sad, really.  I was over at a friend's house and his kids were running through the sprinkler.  They were having a blast.  The youngest, his little son, who was about 2 at the time was quite naked.  We all took photos because it was just too cute.  Now, I worry that someone will see those photos and think I'm a child porn collector.

If I post a nude photograph of me when I was two years old, am I a paedophile????

only if seeing yourself nekkid turns you on.. :D

Okay, I saw the picture...

I agree with Jonthecelt, because I want to see the whole skin texture...sorry folks, but I may want to change some pubic hair color (I checked the appropriate language box for "pubic hair", so I won't get tos'd)

When I saw the picture, I saw a young elf (Aiko)...Isn't Aiko supposed to be anime-ish? If so, aren't MOST anime girls high-school age?? If that is the case...the staff  better start TOSing the lot....

What's my point??? Hey Ollie, what IS my point.....

Oh yeah, my point is this...If Renderosity tos'd this, because they thought she was young, then they DO need to start tosing more.  If it's because it was the first picture, then what  would suggest they do is this:

1. Send an e-mail, asking the artist to move the picture to the 2nd or 3rd picture, and explain why.

2. If this isn't done withing a reasonable time (a week or so - due to someone MAY be on vacation), then the staff move it, send an e-mail explaining why is was moved.

Yes, as Timberwolf said, she appears to look like a childish elf. YES, the staff needs to be monitoring what goes up...but they need to do it logically, not willy-nilly and arbitrarily. If I remember this site, it is for ARTISTIC RESOURCES....which....

GASP...will have nudity

Sorry, it seems they are trying to please EVERYONE - and this simple isn;t possible...lets start exercising common sense, and the artists need to be cognizant of this too...no visable boobage on the first picture

I did understand from various comments that there have been in various long threads before that Aiko naked as an elf or fairy was not actually acceptable if she looked young even if you were portraying her as someone hundreds of years old - and we were told also in that thread - finally that the same rules were in place in the Market Place - if Aiko looked young in the images she should not be naked.

That only applies to the first image in a marketplace item, Bea. Second or third images can contain nudity, provided it is corrrect to do so in the context (ie: it's a texture you're selling), and the link to that image clearly states that there is content which may be considered offensive to some.

jonthecelt

No - I have a feeling that it was said that for the other images as well if Aiko looked you she should not be naked. I don't know because I haven't looked but I think its the same ruling  for Laura and Maddie? I mean, being quite honest why does it need nudity to sell a texture?

I am suspending your account for 7 days. On your
return to the site, please follow the TOS - which you agreed to do when
you joined - or you will be permanently banned.

Karen
Renderosity Staff

This is unfathomable - here a frustrated housewife censors as Renderosity would be her private arena.
An untalented worker from a dirty town on an island shows off here as if that was her private playing field.

Quote - We now return you to your regular scheduling. Coming up next it's "Renderdale" followed by "Renderation Street"...

And after that, it'll be time for "Render Enders" (sorry - couldn't resist; and apologies to non-Brits who are probably mystified by these soap opera references).

Not Render Enders!  All those fake East Rend accents! :D

O my, Gaby, what big bad manners you have!

Quote - This is unfathomable - here a frustrated housewife censors as Renderosity would be her private arena.
An untalented worker from a dirty town on an island shows off here as if that was her private playing field.

You are way out of line.  This kind of behavior is never tolerated in any moderated forum.

Silly Gaby. Everyone knows that I'm divorced and have a full time job and two part time jobs. :laugh:

PS:
Sheffield - beautiful, not dirty.

Nice overhand volley, Karen....!

hmm.....that pic looks familiar....must have stumbled thru it in 1 of my more drunken moments :D

Wasn't Sheffield where the film The Full Monty was set? Am I the only person round here who's seen it? the film you dirty lot nothing else ;)

Kawecki you want to be careful who you tell about your picture collection, you could probably be arrested for it in certain countries.

Quote - This is unfathomable - here a frustrated housewife censors as Renderosity would be her private arena.
An untalented worker from a dirty town on an island shows off here as if that was her private playing field.

Sorry, Gaby, but I've seen your "art" ... so, if I were you, I would be very careful as to how I threw around the word "untalented."

Also, considering your general attitude about .... pretty much everything .... I don't think you would be all that much missed if you were banned.  Clearly, you do not know how to behave yourself in polite company.  Heck, you don't even seem to know how to behave yourself in the company of the complete whackos who hang out here.

And I've been to Sheffield ... have you??  It's really very pretty in that part of the British Isles.

Yep, Sheffield was the setting for the Full Monty.

Although I only came here relatively recently (2001) so I didn't see it being filmed. But it's funny to be watching it and think, hey, I know that street, that's where Bob from the canteen lives!

I Y my adopted city and would never want to leave :-)

The Full Monty was broadcast on Israel Television a couple years back, definitely a nice piece of cinema.
DPH

Well, all this badinage is quite amusing, but what I want to know is how it's ever going to help me achieve my ambition of seeing the comedienne Kathy Griffin nekkid? I mean legally.

Well, Mogwa ... why don't you call her and ask her?  You never know, she might oblige.

Well, I would, dear Ricky, but her phone number is unlisted. And then there's that annoying matter of  the restraining order and the confiscation of my binoculars.

Do young elves typically shave and groom thier nether-regions?  Seems odd to me, I know for a fact my 13 yr old daughter would balk at the idea.

So I find that kinda interesting...

Anyway -
The "art" on that site - is whoa, I really don't know how anyone that makes that can label it as art or be offended that the world at large doesn't want to see it.  As a matter of fact, even if I was looking for porn, I wouldn't look at that.

Depends how young the elf in the picture actually is, don't forget they age at a different rate to humans & could quite easily be 70-80 & still only just be past puberty, anyway that's all by the by as this isn't a real person or elf it's a flat texture that's wrapped round a digital model that actually has no physical age.

Quote - Anyway -
The "art" on that site - is whoa, I really don't know how anyone that makes that can label it as art or be offended that the world at large doesn't want to see it.  As a matter of fact, even if I was looking for porn, I wouldn't look at that.

Actually, I found it kinda interesting, a REAL eye opener in fact -and yeah, I bookmarked it too, naughty me.
The most odd part of it all is, that I'm sure that I recognize some of those faces.
DPH

Well, to each their own, dphoadley.  I didn't think that most of it had much artistic merit, and even the porn was amaturish at best.

I suppose part of the problem (for me) is when someone calls their work "erotic", I expect something more than just snapshots of women in crotch shot poses.

I agree with Ricky, erotic isn't women lying on their backs with their ankles behind their ears, erotic to me is like the stuff Playboy Magazine has ( or used to, haven't actually seen a copy in years)

Well, if you’re looking for decorous nudity, you might browse through my gallery.  And if you’re looking for something exotic, then you might check out my Yakuza Women.  I can’t say how erotic they are, but I did put some time into them, especially in creating their tattoos.

While my renders may not always be the best, and my figures tend not to be the latest and greatest, at least one commenter did say that my work was much more strongly themed than what she usually saw in the galleries. 

On the other hand, you won’t see a nude Vicky (well there is one, but she’s a fat dwarf, sitting under an oak tree, smoking a pipe); nor a temple, nor a sword.

An interesting aspect of my gallery is that my most commented render is not a nude, but a religious scene: ‘If I forget…’ which would seem to prove that more important than inflated breast to make a render popular, is an element of drama.
Yours truly,
David P. Hoadley

Quote - This is a partly pure hypocrisy - I repeat it: "Pecunia non olet"

Wow Gaby, great insight.

To avoid the taint of hypocrisy you should deactivate your membership here at Rendo  and visit websites that only reflect your pure, untainted view of the world. Its the only principled thing to do.

As Horace reminds us, Est modus in rebus.

Quote - If I post a nude photograph of me when I was two years old, am I a paedophile????

That would make it what, ten years old?

Does your mom know you're posting this stuff? She'll ground you for a week.

jjroland:

Quote - Do young elves typically shave and groom thier nether-regions? 

There are actually good technical reasons why many people prefer skins to not have pubic hair or eyebrows painted into the texture.  If there's no painted hair there, then you have a lot more freedom to apply a variety of props or transparency maps to get whatever general shape or color you want.  It's not so much the bareness fetish as how that particular couple of regions are very individual, and a lot of buyers ask for that.

Dimension3D posted a very clear and coherent tutorial that explained exactly how to use trans mapped hair with Blender node, but unfortunately it has aged off the forum - I still have a copy of the tutorial if you are interested.

Quote - Does your mom know you're posting this stuff? She'll ground you for a week.

She must be jailed too?, she was that took mine picture, or was my father?......
I don't know, I don't remember, I was so innocent then...., I suppose....

Quote - This is a partly pure hypocrisy - I repeat it: "Pecunia non olet"

If it's a "partly pure" hypocrisy, then is it also partly impure??  And if partly impure, does that mean it is partly not hypocrisy at all??  Orrrrrrr, is it possible that Ms. T partly doesn't know what the heck she is talking about??

Then again, do any of us??

Yes, I'm feeling philosophical this afternoon.  Poser keeps crashing on me, so I'm haunting the forum.

Well Gaby, I always have enjoyed you images and I was sorry to hear about your nudity-problemes in the gallery.
BUT, when I want to buy a texture on marketplace, I want to see the full quality of the product. Therefor I need to see the full nude figure that I can decide if I want to buy it or not. I don´t think that a product offer is the same a ready image for a gallery.