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This model is a diver with an old type of UK industrial and short dive oxygen rebreather called a Salvus (made by Siebe Gorman; it is real). My interest in "historical diving" (see this link for the Historical Diving Society) led me to make a Poser model of it. Its straps are currently "tails" of parts with the curve property. Its root segment is "sidepack" with the cylinder etc on; it is parented to his abdomen. But, as you will see, the set's straps cross several joint zones in his trunk, and thus when posing him I must keep his backbone 100% rigid, which clashes with the agility that such a light set gives to the diver. The bag strap goes under his crotch. Thus I had a start at making this model into a conforming garment. But the model is an untidy mixture of conforming and non-conforming parts, and the presence of joints with non-conforming parts such as `sidepack' and `bag' upset the conforming mechanism and make lengths of the straps embed themselves in the diver's body, even well away from the joints between the straps and the nonconforming parts. Note also that most of the diagonal strap should conform, but the part that goes away from the diver's side and goes over to the top corners of the sidepack, should not conform but behave as an IK-chain. The breathing bag has to remain a separate part called "bag" so I can apply to it a morph to inflate and deflate it. But the straps (with the exception as above) should confopm, including with any morphs that the man may have to make him breathe or get big chest muscles. So, please let the people who are writing Poser 5 check up on how to make conforming parts in a conforming "garment" conform if the "garment" has parts whose names are not names of parts in the conformee.

Have you tried turning the problem parts into "prop" parts by editing the CR2? Don't know if it would work in this case, but it fixed the IK problems with Mason's combined figures. It is a very involved process.... Just a thought....

I think if you cut the model, named it appropriately and gave it the correct JPs -- making it just a regular old conforming figure rather than worrying about seperate IK chains and such -- I think you would end up with much better results than you think. When you create a conforming figure you have to cut it and set up the JP's in such a way that each part moves correctly in relationship to the figure, rather than moving correctly in relationship to its other parts.

Hope this helps.

"So, please let the people who are writing Poser 5 check up on how to make conforming parts in a conforming "garment" conform if the "garment" has parts whose names are not names of parts in the conformee." Read the whole thread 5 time's and still scatching my head, maybe he should use a snorkel

It is almost a pity that is a historical piece. The suit looks so weird that you'd expect to see giant squid tentacles or other fantastic threat. I hope that you get the problem solved. Carolly

The wearer breathes in and out of the breathing bag, which is round his neck. On the way, the oxygen that he uses is replaced from the cylinder on his side-pack, and the carbon dioxide that he exhales is absorbed in sodalime or similar in the canister which is on his side-pack. This is a real set, and not a random fictional throw-together designed merely to "look cool". The suit looks so weird The suit is my ordinary Wetsuitman. The Salvus breathing set is the parts strapped onto him. It is almost a pity that is a historical piece. Blame Siebe Gorman Ltd, not me. They designed it. But that needn't stop people using it in a sci-fi context. Until I made this model, I didn't realise how much there is to such a simple breathing set as a Salvus. Including e.g. counting the corrugations on the breathing tubes. Let the conforming parts be a conforming garment and the rest one or more parented-on props or models One place where that would not work is the diagonal strap. In the real set, most of that strap lies against the wearer's body and conforms, but its lower end at front and back stops conforming and goes across to the top corners of the sidepack. I would have to cut that strap in the two places where it stops conforming to the body. That would mean that the sidepack would be a model (not prop) with the lower stumps of the straps as IK-chain tails; the ends of those stumps would have to mate with the cut lower ends of the straps as they are in the conforming garment's abdomen. I could IK-parent the ends of those stumps to the garment's abdomen, but not to one particular place in the garment's abdomen, and so the rejoined cut ends would come apart again as the garment's abdomen is pulled about by joint movements etc. if you cut the model ... making it just a regular old conforming figure That would likeliest mean assigning the side-pack, which is mostly made of rigid metal, to be part of the conforming garment's abdomen and liable to be warped weirdly as the man's chest/abdomen and abdomen/hip joints flex about. And, unless the breathing tube is an IK-chain it would not behave realistically as he moves his head.

Unfortunately, making a thing like this conform is a lot more complicated than with a pair of kinky boots or Victoria's clothes. I have successfully made simple conforming garments (a wetsuit hood; a pair of spacesuit boots to help to make my wetsuitman into a Buck Rogers type skintight spacesuit). So please CL: please make conforming parts conform correctly even if the conformer contains parts which are not also in the conformee.

Anthony, you could keep the sidepack from bending/warping and still conform, by simply turning off bending in its properties. Have you thought about making it 2 different conforming figures?

Then the sidepack would have to be a separate joint part which is not named in the conformee, and as stated before. And the same problems would occur with straps and hoses connecting conforming parts with nonconforming parts. After all possible patch-ups, it seems that Poser 5 needs special code to handle this sort of model where a model is a mixture of conforming and nonconforming parts. It is not only with the Salvus; I have made quite a number of models (scuba gear, a flamethrower, etc) which have a backpack harness that I would liked to make as a conforming garment instead of as a cat-o-nine-tails of several straps each of many parts with the curve property, fiddly to pose and making the CR2 file huge. Thanks for all your help. One solution might for it to be possible to attach ANY segment of an IK-chain (not only its goal) to a particular polygon face or vertex of another model; then that part must stay with that face or vertex.