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Subject: 4.1?
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Check out an earlier thread towards the bottom of the page!Injustice will be avenged.
Cofiwch Dryweryn.
I for one am taking V4.1 out of poser. Today I was using her in a scene I was doing and each time I tried to save the scene I'd get all these PMD error messages. Nope, she isn't staying I'll be using plain old V4 from now on and if she gives me crap V3 is always standing by.
Quote - I for one am taking V4.1 out of poser.
I concure. I uploaded her last night, and it didn't take long for my system to crash and go screwy while using her. *Sorry for the double post, just wanted to confirm that "yah it crashed - but that's about thinks for a minute maybe 30-40% likiness that I just need a new (no clue, keeps shutting down by itself but it's good for hours sometimes -- the techs at work can't even figure out what's wrong w/my PC!) **So I just wanted to clarify, that V4.1 isn't crashing my system all by itself - but I'll agree to the error messages and programs not running properly!
Quite frankly, I see some oddities within V4.0 (like the "eyes disapearring when certain types of hair are on her.") Ok, the fix there? It's a bit of work but I --> Saves my file. Closed it. Then when reopening the same file, her eyes appeared in the same scene as wearing the hair -- But I don't see anything horribly wrong with her. *Granted, I will toss in for arguement sake, I am fairly new to the Poser bit, and had never experienced Victoria 3 -- AT ALL. Maybe this is why I am so lenient of 4.0?? I don't understand! Of course there are always glitches with new products - in time, we'll most likely all forget this happened - but one thing I would like to see is her sharing the same texture system as the Millenium people, coz let's face it - at the end of the day there's like what, nearly a dozen millenium folks? V3 can wear M3's hairy chest, for crap's sake --- and there's V4, standing all by herself, all alone and chilly -- If anyone's done characters for V3 too, I'm sure they're really freaked out about having to take a million years to hand-convert everything to V4 - granted, who knows?
How DO you V3 Character Package artists feel about potentially making your V3 characters available for V4???? (Just curiousity)
Hi. I saw that thread but I don't follow. The discussion seems to be among people with V4.1 to each other. I don't understand the issues. Can anyone lay out in their view what V4.1 is and what if any issues there are with it? All I could gather was that it was V4 with new eyes of some sort and some blank channels for injection. What is this about PMD and using scripts? Do the scripts load channels? I just can t follow :(
V4.1 adds just another layer of complexity to V4's already bloated cr2,
The good news:
V4.1 now has separate eyebrow geometry, so that you can use transparent eyebrows
V4.1 has slightly revised eye geometry.
V4.1 has a few additional head morphs.
V4.1 comes with an additional texture that has a painted on bikini and hair.
V4.1toV3's head is now grouped like V4.1 instead of V3, that means head morphs made for V4.1 will also work for V4.1toV3
All of your previous V4 stuff will still work.
The bad news:
DAZ thinks the majority of their customers is too stupid too handle morphmanager or to spawn a morph target when they make their own characters, so they dreamed up a morph channel installer script that permanently resides on your desktop.
This script adds new morph channels to your V4.1's cr2 "on the fly" whenever it is activated by a new set of morphs you install to your runtime.
So in theory you can inject all your existing morph packs at once without ever running out of channels.
But for it to work properly V4.1 and her stuff MUST be installed in your main Poser directory, which of course makes the advantage of having multiple external runtimes to keep your main Poser directory "clean, moot.
If you don't, the script either will not find your V4.1, or Poser will take in the neighbourhood of ten minutes just to open her.
The script all injects all morphs at once without giving you the option of injecting only the morphs you actually need.
Like all the other of V4's "features", this is of course disaster waiting to happen.
What if people make custom characters and resafe the cr2's in the same directory ?
What if people have multiple copys of Poser installed for testing ?
What with people on slower machines who just can't handle using V4.1 with all morphs injected all the time ?
What I like about poser tech is that it is "open". A cr2 is plain text, so I can open it in a text editor and actually see what it is doing.
That way even non-techies were able to tinker with Poser and create the variety we now have.
I strongly dislike the thought of some black box sitting on my desktop that automatically rewrites my cr2 files whenever I install a new set of morphs, maybe even overwriting custom characters I made and whatever else the DAZ folks might think would help me having a better Poser "experience"
This is of course all about money, not about making a better product.
DAZ wants to expand their market, but they now obviously think the only way to do that is to dumb down Poser to the level of pre-school children.
What's next ? A deal with Mattel so that all the little girl in the U.S of A. finally can play dress up with their Barbie dolls without having to leave their computer ?
Quote - But for it to work properly V4.1 and her stuff MUST be installed in your main Poser directory, which of course makes the advantage of having multiple external runtimes to keep your main Poser directory "clean, moot.
If you don't, the script either will not find your V4.1, or Poser will take in the neighbourhood of ten minutes just to open her.
A. I made a Directory or J.Drive.
B. I installed the required v4.1 Crap into it.
C. I edited the Cr2 path for v4.1 to the exact location of the files on J Drive.
D. I didn't move any files, including that 62Mb !Daz Folder into my lean Poser 7 Runtime.
Results:
v41. loads in 50 seconds
Put that bloated !Daz folder in P7
Results: v4.1 loaded in 25 ses.
It's fairly obvious that Daz has sent a message to Poser Users.
My solution, I deleted the entire v4.1 folder and will not be offering up anymore $$$s for v4.1 to Daz.
"That government is
best which governs the least, because its people discipline
themselves."
Thomas Jefferson
I spend more money here at rosity than I do there. I have to say after all these years as a daz supporter I am not real pleased with them right at the moment.
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For someone who sneers so often and so shittily at people you consider to have weak technical abilities... Well, nuff said.
Aww, no fair, PJ! Can't have folks injecting common sense into the argument! This is Renderosity, damnit... that kind of thing isn't allowed! I suppose next you'll be posting proof positive that people actually enjoy images of vicky in a temple wearing nothing but a sword! ...spoilsport. :) To Joe Public: Umm, WTF? Here, I'll explain:
Quote - I strongly dislike the thought of some black box sitting on my desktop that automatically rewrites my cr2 files whenever I install a new set of morphs, maybe even overwriting custom characters I made and whatever else the DAZ folks might think would help me having a better Poser "experience"
Okay... Most of humanity saves off custom characters as a separate .cr2 file, usually somewhere else (Mine goes into /Volumes/Storage_Bin/zzCustomRuntime/ ... /!Pengs_Characters/ on the Mac) , and Export Morphs still works last I checked. The above statement by you also is in direct conflict from a statement you made shortly before it: > Quote - ...and her stuff MUST be installed in your main Poser directory...
So, which is it? Does this little script seek and destroy every custom V4 .cr2 you've ever made, or is it patently incapable of even finding its own files? Decide either way, or at least explain to satisfaction, please. > Quote - What if people have multiple copys of Poser installed for testing ?
Makes no diff - you point to the one where the requisite files reside, and go to town. Cripes - I think some people bitch about DAZ (or anybody else, really) just to see themselves do it. I haven't seen this much fabricated drama since the last local Shakespearian Festival. ... Oh, one last item: Wheatpenny? Careful now... you're supposed to represent Renderosity with that big moderator tag on... ;) /P
@penguinisto:
This script is just the icing of the cake.
I already explained several times why V4's concept is inherently flawed.
There are also one or two posts by Anton Kisiel confirming my observations.
Rendo's forum search works fine, so go and look my posts up if you want to try to start a SERIOUS discussion about V4.
I'm surprised someone like you, who also thinks that too many people just consume premade content without trying to further their knowledge and skills, tries to argue with me.
That's exactly the kind of people V4 was built for, and that's exactly why she is all but useless for a lot of people, including me.
But then you, too seem to come here mostly for the "drama".
So, "PLONK!" for you too.
:biggrin:
Tim Pierce's page, yeah. Good old stuff, I actually used to flame Steve Boursy on a semi-regular basis.
A wistful Meow for old times' sake.
Quote - This script is just the icing of the cake.
The script (which actually just calls an executable, DzCreateExPFiles.exe) pretty obviously overwrites nothing at all outside of the Runtimelibraries!DAZ folder, so on the topic of consuming premade materials without understanding what they do .... Whatever. Maybe you can shift attention to another aspect of V4 (which certainly is not a perfect product, sure) that you understand a little better. Good job trying to hide behind Anton as well, that was pure class.
Quote - @penguinisto:
This script is just the icing of the cake.
I already explained several times why V4's concept is inherently flawed.
...much of it contradictory, apparently. Just asking for something that makes sense. > Quote - There are also one or two posts by Anton Kisiel confirming my observations.
Which observations, exactly? Otherwise you're committing Grand Fallacy, for which the punishment is Death By Fat Chick. (...and for the record, it's not as if Anton doesn't have his own little motives... ask him why he don't work at DAZ no more sometime. ;) ) > Quote -
I'm surprised someone like you, who also thinks that too many people just consume premade content without trying to further their knowledge and skills, tries to argue with me.
When you're making fallacious arguments, it serves no one. I don't see a script like this hindering exploration and knowledge in any way, shape, or form. Care to explain exactly how it might? > Quote - But then you, too seem to come here mostly for the "drama".
Nah - I only point out the bleedin' obvious once in awhile. ;) /P
@penguinisto:
As I said, look my posts up. Don't have the time to reiterate everything for you.
But I'm thinking of posting a long exhaustive "I think V4 sux and here's why" post in the Chicken Coop where I don't have to tread on eggshells should some trolls try to derail my thread.
You're welcome to prove me wrong then.
:biggrin:
Let's not drag Anton into this, he's extremely generous for making Apollo available for free, to everyone. Whatever else may have gone on he's a fabulous gentleman for giving to the community all his hard work and great craftsmanship.
Penguinisto I imagine you are one of the Nosers, although I won't attempt to guess which (too many dead brain cells now) - me, you could probably identify by the initials if you're really interested. Which you shouldn't be, trust me.
Quote - But I'm thinking of posting a long exhaustive "I think V4 sux and here's why" post in the Chicken Coop where I don't have to tread on eggshells should some trolls try to derail my thread.
Ooh, you burned me man. Let me know what custom CR2s or whatever get overwritten by that "black box script sitting permanently on your desktop". I'll be over here drooling and reading popup books and eating cheerios, cuz I'm not near so smart az u iz.
Eggshells, in the 'Coop? Pfft! Puh-leeze. Although, there's still a lingering question for you, if you insist on simply pointing to "elsewhere": If you can't keep your logical chain straight in this thread (where you spent all that time and bile, after all), what hope do I have of finding a usable one from you elsewhere concerning this subject? IOW: why bother researching, when the odds are solid for just more contradiction judging by the sample you've provided thus far? Wouldn't be easier for you to simply summarize it into something that makes actual sense while we're here? What are you so scared of? I'm just looking for a simple answer here. /P
Dude, you plonked me already. That's supposed to mean you can't see my posts any more. If you weren't a noob you'd know this. Like, duh.
Quote - Let's not drag Anton into this, he's extremely generous for making Apollo available for free, to everyone. Whatever else may have gone on he's a fabulous gentleman for giving to the community all his hard work and great craftsmanship.
Indeed... got nothing but props for his release of Apollo. Just making sure nobody gets unduly idolized or unimpeachable, OTOH. I can leave it all at that, however. > Quote - Penguinisto I imagine you are one of the Nosers, although I won't attempt to guess which (too many dead brain cells now) - me, you could probably identify by the initials if you're really interested. Which you shouldn't be, trust me.
s'okay... I'll save us both the aching memory synapses: Spark The Heretic here - one of the few human beings who can identify Raoul Xemblinosky in person (because he lived that damned close to me in RL at the time). :) /P
I should point out that plonking someone and then later admitting that you still read their posts has always been considered the height of noobitude. Also the distinguished gentleman mis-uses the word "troll", although it is a common enough mistake in today's callow youth that it's practically the standard meaning now, however much it bugs me.
Oops, please forgive my sloppy reading: Hi again Spark. I'm sorry for being a jerk to you. There, I broke the big rule of alt.flame.
Quote - Oops, please forgive my sloppy reading: Hi again Spark. I'm sorry for being a jerk to you. There, I broke the big rule of alt.flame.
LOL! s'okay... most of antU were on a mailing list for years (me included), in spite of the yanks and the furriners tearing each other apart on a daily basis. I still having a standing invite to most of the EU, I think... haven't spoken to any of 'em in ~3 years, though. Standing by for some n00b to shout "PLONK" in 3... 2.. 1... /P
Don't you think it would be more constructive if you two would exchange your completely uninterresting old flame-war memories in some kind of private AOL-chatroom and leave this forum for people who actually want to learn something about POSER ?
But I guess once a flamer, always a flamer.
Amazing that so many people are proud of the fact that they wasted so much time with being antisocial.
Oh, and before I forget:
@Pengunisto: PLONK !
:biggrin:
No problem, happy to oblige. I'm here to help. Do keep us informed regarding your discoveries of what the icons on your desktop do, I'm very very interested.
Quote - Hey! folks lets stick with poser issues here. So far this thread hasn't been very productive.
I respectfully disagree on one point - I met an old friend last night in a most unexpected place. :) > Quote -
Keep it geared at poser issues.
Fair 'nuff - back to the subject at hand: Does anyone else in here know if there's any actual credence to the aforementioned assertion? To wit: that a script which allegedy cannot find its own files will allegedly destroy custom .cr2 files based on V4, or was that just so much FUD? I'm still genuinely curious about how that supposedly works. (For the record, I'm sure that V4 has its faults - any new technology practically does. OTOH, I'd like to know what the real issues are concerning it, not the assumed or imaginary ones). /P
Quote - Penguinisto worte: (...and for the record, it's not as if Anton doesn't have his own little motives... ask him why he don't work at DAZ no more sometime. ;)
Tom,
Since no moderator has stopped this and waiting to see, I have decided I'll briefly respond, though after hearing what you wrote about at Radio Free Ironbear, I was expecting you here at some point. I am starting to think after 5 years of this; it must be love. I already know writing this it will neither stop you nor deter you. However..
My contractor salary at Daz was $100,000 to match the annual amount I made as a broker the year before (2002- $200,000 brokered product sales gross), which was much appreciated and is non-confidential being proprietary to me only being I have been self employed for over 15 years.. I also insisted on sellling back my 2% stock options for another cool bag of cash.
In the end, after one year of brokering, one year of self employed contracting, I left Daz with a quarter of a million dollars. Not bad for 2 years. Now I don't know how much you were paid before you "left" but for the record..
The reasons I left and such are all here in the forums in my own words so I see no reason to rehash it. I have been invited back there many times. The last and most recent reinvite to Broker was in March of 2005. In all cases I said no for various reasons. In the end there are things in life more important than money.
My year long adventure when I returned earned me another $100,000 between Apollo sales and contracts. I am nothing but grateful and appeciative of my supported and of Poser. What I dont appreciate is almost 10 years of having to deal with people with self esteem issues and unhealthy obsessions or those who allude to knowing me.
Despite whatever you think you know or choose to allude been told, it is really irrelevant. For 5 years I have asked you to sever this unhealthy obsession you seen to have with me and what you think you know about me and my career.
This "past" of mine I keep reading about is what? Doing Tutorials? Helping people? Standing up for friends? lol Having standards and ethics? Giving back to the community? But again, irrelevant.
I have unsuccessfully tried to reason with you and even have Renderosity intervene without lasting effect. I would again respectfully ask you to focus on Tom and Tom's personal affairs and not Anton's.
I know you have been through a lot with your divorce and such, but perhaps it is time for you to consider why you can't help posting about me and in regards to me, though we only ever met once for a half an hour and had no real conversation.
I think your motive is insecurity. Perhaps inadequacy. Probably lack of role and identity. I have no real explaination for these posts you make constantly searching for a reaction. You hopefully will mature out of it as you grow older. Either way. I hope to not have to have this discussion a 14th time next year.
I have nothing else to say on the topic Tom. Go watch a movie and enjoy the Spring.
Cheers and regards,
Anton
-Anton, creator of Apollo Maximus
"Conviction without truth is denial; Denial in the
face of truth is concealment."
OK folks, now we are waaaaaaaaay off topic.
Plenty of other threads about V4.1, so please discuss relevant issues in those, because I'm locking this one up before tempers start to increase.
Karen
"you are terrifying
and strange and beautiful
something not everyone knows how to love." - Warsan
Shire
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I don't understand the how or why of V4.1.... I don't understand the FAQ at Daz or the threads here. Can someone explain simply what 4.1 features over 4.0, how it works, and what the install and scripts buisness are about?