I'm sorry but i have'nt been able to figure out why I should get V4.1. Whats NEW?

More useless thumbnails in your Poser People folder? An useless lo-res second skin with a bikini?

OK

And don't forget the groovey painted hairstyle!
She has given me nothing but problems :D

ok. i've had a lot of trouble with a character called Tara Lyn from DAZ too, so I think I'll wait a while before I purchase V4.1.

V4.1 is a free upgrade. I hate her so far.

So I can upgrade free? ok. then I will have to try her myself then. EH... That sound a bit weird.

there's no upgrade at DAZ. I'm not paying 20 blabla's for the base alone! And certainly 34 for something I might never use

Quote - there's no upgrade at DAZ. I'm not paying 20 blabla's for the base alone! And certainly 34 for something I might never use

If you purchased V4 prior to this, just go to your item list page in your account & reset the download - that is where the upgrade is.

thanx. ;-) would have been useful if DAZ had given instructions. Oh well what the hell

I don't know excatly what is the reason of a V4.1 version

Usually newer versions improve older ones or give new and useful features or fix some known bugs

I have now more stupid thumbnails, a useless texture and no idea what V4.1 is nicely improving...

What's the point of V4 base?

I've been using her with no problems whatsoever on an external drive with no movign beyond what I normally do.

http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=57491

Quote - - New! Additional Shaping Morphs

• Improved! Parameter INJection/REMoval via "Extensible Parameters" (ExP) technology; for greater compatibility with add-on morph products
• Click here for more information about Extensible Parameters (ExP)
• New! Default Skin Maps with Basic Hair & Clothing
• Improved! Updated Eyeball Geometry
• New! Eyebrow Geometry
• New!Ability to load V4 Head Morphs on the V4-V3 CR2

i've now installed her but..... but the innstaller cant find DzCreateExPFiles-V4.bat

V4.1 has many new face morphs that greatly extend your ability to shape the face, and some morphs in other parts of the body.  If you don't design your own character morphs but rather only use canned morphs, then you only benefit from being able to load going-forward DAZ morphs that will rely on the new ExP crap.  This includes the muscle morphs, it seems.

If you aren't hurting for more morphs for V4, then do not upgrade, simply put.  If it ain't broke, don't fix it.  Myself I got the muscle morphs, and ran the updater just for that, and saved a new blank CR2.  The ExP updater is frankly pretty crappy and needs improvement.  I'd expect a V4.2 update eventually (3-6 months) just to give the updater non-suckitude.  It is optionless and inflexible.  While the user can manually fix the things it does, and make the CR2 portable to external runtimes, it could be made much more simple than it is.

Dyret I suggest you contact DAZ tech support if you're having problems with the installer, I didn't have any trouble like that.

OHHHHHHH--------- I've actually about had enough of tech support over there.

Let me utterly frank ( or james or tony)...  I bought V4 to use the male morph version Vittorio4. 

Becos I got the basic version, I can't yet upgrade to the Vittorio4.1 Basic  until that's release ( has it been already ?).

I had V4.1 installed for an hour and ripped her right out of my machine and went back to using plain 'ol V4. Actually, I've been using JessieG2 and Miki 2 a lot more lately so much so that I am on the look out for more content for them. I know it's likely a lost cause for JessieG2 but I see more and more stuff for Miki 2.

Of all the years I've been a daz supporter they have only ticked me off twice. The first time I went a long time before I bought anything from them. The second time was over this last release of V4.1 and while I'm not ticked off enough to not purchase stuff from them I am, however, very disappointed in the direction they seem to be taking.

Quote - I had V4.1 installed for an hour and ripped her right out of my machine and went back to using plain 'ol V4. Actually, I've been using JessieG2 and Miki 2 a lot more lately so much so that I am on the look out for more content for them. I know it's likely a lost cause for JessieG2 but I see more and more stuff for Miki 2.

Of all the years I've been a daz supporter they have only ticked me off twice. The first time I went a long time before I bought anything from them. The second time was over this last release of V4.1 and while I'm not ticked off enough to not purchase stuff from them I am, however, very disappointed in the direction they seem to be taking.

Have you rumaged through Content Paradise and RuntimeDNA??????
Those sites seem to have the most for the G2 Family.

As far as V4.1 is concerned, i deleted her External Runtime.
Apparently Daz feels we should all buy into the new ExP crap and I am not one who will be.

DR

Quote - What's the point of V4 base?

For those who immediately import the .obj file into Maya, Lightwave, Modo, 3DS Max, etc etc... and don't want or necessarily have a use for the morphs and etc. /P

The reset instructions were in teh Daz forums. They should have explained that.

dyret, Casette, go to the DAZ Forums thread called "Announcing Victoria 4.1 (a free update)... " as Natolii pointed out and it will all be explained for you. Personally, I don't see what all the fuss is about. Coldrake

Tuff crowd

I Just Got V4.1 She is a very kool 3D toy and I can get new toys for V4.1.

It's just a game to me I don't take it seriously.

But if you all are disappointed buy V4 you could make ya own meshes in Modo what V4 was made in.

Or any main 3D app of your chose.

RorrKonn
http://www.Atomic-3D.com

Personally I was very happy with V4, and even more pleased with V4.1 because of the new morphs - however the ExP crap is half-baked.  They need to put it back in the oven for a while longer.  It should not have been forced in with this release, but I expect they "had to" because of the muscle morphs - "had to" meaning someone could not bother to search/replace to use PBMCC* channel names in the muscle morphs.

Nope, I am super happy with V4*, as my gallery should indicate.

Hmmm...also can't see what all the fuss is about. The ExP crap (I quote the phrase) isn't a feature that DAZ had any say in...they wanted to add functionality and Poser dictated how that should happen.It's been explained in great detail how to modify the install so you can add V4.1 to an external runtime. Besides, it doesn't overwrite V4.0, so if you don't like V4.1 then just use V4.0.
It's a free upgrade....no loss.

Cheers

Uh?  DAZ had complete control over how they designed and implemented ExP, no one at EF gave them a requirement "You must produce a featureless updater utility that has no options, cannot be interactively and selectively run, and you must not give the user an interface to maintain or undo any unwanted changes your updater makes."  Poser dictated nothing whatsoever how DAZ designed and rolled out ExP.  I'm a fan of their products, sure, but I don't put them up on a level where they can do no wrong - and the rollout of ExP was frankly pretty poor.

The batch file is nothing to get worked up about...infact it takes a matter of seconds...a far shorter "waste" of time than is needed to come up here and complain about it! Secondly u will also find that ExP is already used for figures in the default install of Poser (which I'm sure you already know).

I really don't see any issue about it...christ, I'm surprised some people don't moan that they have to press a button to get their computer started.

It's a democracy...if you don't like it, don't use it...and if you wan't to change something, time is much better spent complaining to DAZ (or whoever), than filling Renderosity up with even more hot air.
I must say, the Poser community is unique in that it is far the worse community to not favourably adopt new features that could be the first step in advancing their tools. Whenever something new arrives, it seems a blinkered view is adopted! I'm not really surprised...I think that some people will only be happy when there is a "Make Art..." button (even though I reply to your msg pjz99, I don't include you in that assumption).

Cheers,

Wait until you load that old V4.1 from an old scene and want to use "new* morphs (added after the fact).  That's a bug in this new ExP feature that I have not yet seen addressed.  It is not a good idea - unless you only do a 'make scene and forget about' it type of work.  This is a bad gotcha.

Quote - "...It's a democracy...if you don't like it, don't use it...")

So what you’re really saying is: “...if you don't like it, don't BUY it…”
Don't worry we won't

Quote - "...and if you wan't to change something, time is much better spent complaining to DAZ (or whoever), than filling Renderosity up with even more hot air.

WRONG Complaining to the PTB over at DAZ will achieve squat

But keeping the topic visible on other forums as well as DAZ’s will bring it to the attention of the new users…
It might make them pause before buying… And if they pause long enough then DAZ will notice that their sales are not so good as forecast.
Then they may start listening.

Money speaks louder than any one of us.

Quote - Cheers,

Wait until you load that old V4.1 from an old scene and want to use "new* morphs (added after the fact).  That's a bug in this new ExP feature that I have not yet seen addressed.  It is not a good idea - unless you only do a 'make scene and forget about' it type of work.  This is a bad gotcha.

I thought that was what the batch files were for...you ran the batch files as and when new morphs were installed. I think DAZ done good here, because they worked out the failings with ExP by providing the batch files.

I agree, we could all probably do without extra processes, but as I say, I think this has more to do with the standards eF dictate within their software.

Quote - > Quote - "...It's a democracy...if you don't like it, don't use it...")

So what you’re really saying is: “...if you don't like it, don't BUY it…”
Don't worry we won't

Quote - "...and if you wan't to change something, time is much better spent complaining to DAZ (or whoever), than filling Renderosity up with even more hot air.

 

WRONG Complaining to the PTB over at DAZ will achieve squat

But keeping the topic visible on other forums as well as DAZ’s will bring it to the attention of the new users…
It might make them pause before buying… And if they pause long enough then DAZ will notice that their sales are not so good as forecast.
Then they may start listening.

Money speaks louder than any one of us.

Well, this would all make sense, if the issues involved were enough to get the knickers in a twist about. V4.1 does not provide less functionality, it doesn't break anything, in fact it is only asking you of two extra processes...even then they are automatically done at the end of the install...oh 3 if you use an external runtime.
I don't know about you, but I have far more important things to worry and upset me in life. I'm sorry, but I really find it difficult to see what is so upsetting.
Hell!!...it's not like you even bought something that didn't work...because for me V4.1 is working great.

But the batch files and script only update the CR2 (in the Figures library) and not any V4.1 saved in a PZ3 (Poser scene) - or in any other place for that matter (if you saved different versions of V4.1, for instance).  Again - the PZ3 embeds the CR2 and does not reference it.

This problem will only occur if you have a scene with V4.1 and want to reload the scene and add/change morphs from a later added ExP morph set - they won't work.   It seems to me that a quick fix for this potential situation is if DAZ provided a script (Java comes to mind for ubiquity here) wherein you could select which V4.1 CR2s and PZ3s containing V4.1 to update.  Considering that they did D|S, this should be a piece of cake even for an intern... :)

It may not be a piece of cake, kuroyume.  DAZ has complete control over what happens to files after they have been read into DAZ|Studio.  I can't say the same thing about them and Poser.  When Poser reads in the V4.1 CR2, all of the readScript() calls in the file are replaced in memory with the actual morph channels that those readScripts are calling out to.  This means, in effect, from Poser's point of view once the model is loaded, the readScripts don't exist anymore.  Thus when you save V4.1 back out to the library, those readScript calls aren't written out b/c they don't exist (the loaded morph channels do instead).  I don't think there is actually any way for them to update V4.1's that have already been loaded into Poser's memory and saved back out.  I'd blame that as much on DAZ for choosing such a hacktastic way of using an old undocumented Poser command as Poser for it's own handling of said command.

It's not the 'readScript' calls that are the problem.  These just facilitate the morph injection/removal process and only unhide/hide existing dials and inj/rem the morph deltas.  The important data here lies in those hidden morph dials used for morph injection.

The fix up for V4.1 is a way to avoid contention between different morph products using these hidden morph dial banks.  In the older versions, there was a fixed set of morph dial banks for morph injection and sometimes two different (or several) morph product creators used the same morph dials from the fixed bank.

When you get one of these new ExP morph products, you run the DAZ script and it writes a unique bank of hidden morph dials for that morph product so that you can inj/rem morphs and there will never be contention.  Without running that script, injecting the morphs in Poser will fail (no dials, no morphs).

The DAZ script actually writes targetGeom channels (morph dials) into the V4.1 CR2 to do this.  But any other version of V4.1 you have laying about - in a Poser scene or saved as a new figure into the library - is not updated.  You load the Poser scene and there is no way to inject any newer morphs - because the DAZ script hasn't added the required morph dials (targetGeom channels) to the V4.1 in the Poser scene (!).

When Poser loads the Poser scene, it doesn't reference the figures in the library so any changes to the library figure (CR2) are not transmitted to the figure in the scene - despite the similarities otherwise... ;)

No, the CR2 is not touched. The utility rewrites the files called by the readscript in the CR2.

I haven't installed V4.1 yet (although I have downloaded the updates).  At least that was my take of the obfuscated description of ExP. ;)

But that still doesn't solve the problem, it just moves it to another file that as, Giolon mentioned, is not going to be updated with the Poser scene either.  Either way, you still may have dials that don't exist in the scene because of a later update to the readScript files.  Other than hand adding the readscript lines to the PZ3, any other ideas?

I'm glad I don't take 3D seriously anymore. The time wasted about griping about a figure could be wasted on something else like rendering. :)

Don't like it then don't use it. I use the V4 base. I don't feel the need to upgrade. Not worth my while to add more morphs to the figure. I don't need V4.1 so I didn't bother with it.

*Shrugs.

I don't know if this was mentioned already (or even if anyone else had this problem) but V4.1 fixed the "fist problem".  In V4 the controls to make a fist (I forgot what the dial is called) didn't work well at all.  Her hands ended up looking all distorted.  But 4.1 fixed that problem, so to me the upgrade was worth it.

Because V4 is loaded with ten thousand unused morphs, they needed a way where you could add 'actual used ADDITIONAL morphs' without adding the entire add-on muscle set and monster set and whatever next add-on they're going to sell. They know it's a joke but people can't seem to cope with the injection system so we're now stuck with this ridiculous model with 8 billion morphs who now comes with an 'updater' to add any one of 8 billion more morphs.... and we still have all the extra files.

V4.1 means "Thank God they made a V4toV3' basically

Quote - Because V4 is loaded with ten thousand unused morphs, they needed a way where you could add 'actual used ADDITIONAL morphs' without adding the entire add-on muscle set and monster set and whatever next add-on they're going to sell. They know it's a joke but people can't seem to cope with the injection system so we're now stuck with this ridiculous model with 8 billion morphs who now comes with an 'updater' to add any one of 8 billion more morphs.... and we still have all the extra files.

V4.1 means "Thank God they made a V4toV3' basically

Characters with so many morphs are what I call "Dial Farms" lol.

Edit to add. Some times I'll use a Dial Farm character and wish it I had a search engine in the dial system to find what I'm looking for . LOLOLOL....

I downloaded, but have not installed the V4.1 update yet. I see too many negative reports so I'm content to wait. :) Maybe I'll unzip her to a temp folder so I can have a look at what's there first. But unless they've changed her UV map, I won't do any work with her. V4's UV map is hard to work with. Mainly because of the legs. Sealtm2, hang in there for a bit. I've got some JessieG2 stuff almost ready to go.

mylemonblue said "Some times I'll use a Dial Farm character and wish it had a search engine in the dial system to find what I'm looking for"

That's priceless!!  ha ha ha

Bravo!!

At least it would help if the morphs were in alphabetical order, perhaps sub-grouped under general body parts --

I was going to make an example list, but it's late -- and I'd rather sleep.

I'm always amazed at all the problems people have with new updates hitting the market.  I installed V4.1 this past weekend with all the morph packages from DAZ and haven't had one problem with her.  She loads up fine, she takes all the "old" V4 textures with no issues and she takes the morphs faster then the old V.

I'm actually having more fun with this new version then with the old, she shows the morphs better with no horrendous distortions...in particular the emotion settings, when her "Smile" is set to 1 she doesn't look like the Joker.  She also takes the poses from the various pose sets flawlessly (at least for me she does).

All in all, I'm very happy with her.  I'm more excited with the new life the morphing clothes sets have been given being compatible with all the textures  I have from A3, V3, The Girl and to an extent, SP3.  Awesome value for about 5 bucks for both vintage sets of clothing packages.  I'm hoping they follow up with "The Dress" and the head pieces for it.

It's not 'new updates' that gives me pause.  It's 'new methodologies' - like ExP.  Doesn't seem to be thoroughly thought out - and it could come back to bite DAZ and users of it.

Anyone remember PMD (external binary morphs)?  That never bit EF and users, has it?  Nah... ;P

The new morphs for the face are very very useful, particularly the eyes and mouth - my own feeble lip morphs are mostly obsolete.  You have a lot of control now over how the eyelids are shaped.  People skipping this update are truly missing out, aside from the ExP wierdness, and a rather bad bug in the morph data on the head in one of the files (nruddock's discovery).

Since I started the tread I just thought  I'd just say a bit about how it ended for me. I have now updated V 4 and I'm very happy with her so far. Dont understand half the technical talk here so I'll just not bother about it.

So... if I can syntetize the thread: the new features of V4.1 are these strange ExP morphs, little improvements in hands morphs and an useless texture map

Really V4 was needing an update?

The useful update for me would be V4 working with external pmd

Perhaps I'm a dummy mind but... it looks for me a market strategy (more than a needed update). I'm DAZ, and suddenly my Releases Program is broken by Anton Kiesel with his Apollo Maximus (breaking my release of M4) and by eF with the G2 family.  I detect  V4 had lesser sales than I expected, so... I release a dummy update, really small patches, and I put her again on top of the wave...

...or simply I don't understand all this. These romans are crazy, by Toutatis

there is actually a lot of improvements in face shaping morphs. I'm not a professional artist and not good at the technical stuff. I just like to play around with this girl. She's been really good to me so far

I think V4.1 is a definite improvement over V4! a number of issues have been addressed and the new morphs (muscles/creature creator) are fantastic.

Had no trouble installing her whatsoever (in external runtime - copied over the !DAZ folder to Poser 7  "libraries" directory to make sure she works in there as well - you can also simply copy &paste the Poser.exe file into your external runtime), and can still use normal V4 with older projects.

overall, much better than V4 - all from an artistic point of view since I'm not overly technical about Poser.  And maybe i see the difference because I mainly use DAZ|Studio rather than Poser?