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Subject: Colours in Photography 2


Onslow ( ) posted Mon, 07 May 2007 at 5:26 AM · edited Fri, 11 October 2024 at 5:38 AM

This is a continuation of my outline of colour management for photography.    In the first thread I covered colour spaces, in this one I will cover how to use them, particularly in Adobe Photoshop.  

So you have your camera colour space set if it has this option. Most cameras default to sRGB and there are some good reasons to leave it on that even if you can change it.

If you are capturing RAW files then the colour space is set at the RAW processing stage. If you are looking for high quality prints aRGB is a good choice, process your images into 16bit files.  For commercial uses aRGB is the standard and will be the required colour space by the end user.  Non colour managed environments invariably use sRGB  for the: www , lab processing etc. an sRGB copy will be needed.  Files can be converted from aRGB to sRGB but not vice versa,  use the: convert to profile command in PS.

 

Working Space

The next thing to set is the working space of your image editing software. In Photoshop this is done by going to: Edit > Color Settings. There are a series of drop down boxes to choose from, here is an example for aRGB if you are producing sRGB images for the web, lab, etc then change the top box to sRGB.

Illustration 1

Images viewed in Photoshop will now look different to ones viewed on the web and in other Windows applications so you will need to proof your images to see how they will look in other applications.

 

Proofing your images

To proof your images go to: Proof Settings > Custom and set up a proof setting for sRGB by using the top drop down box.

Illustration 2

 After you have named this it will appear at the bottom of the list of Proof Settings

If you are printing your images and you have ICC profiles for the papers you are using then set up those while you are there. Use the top drop down box to choose the profile for each paper used and name the setting.   Leave the setting Relative Colorimetric and check Black Point Compensation.

Having done this you can now see the images as they will appear in various media by going to:   View>Proof Setting and checking the one you want from the list then clicking View > Proof Colours when you have an image open.    You can also view any out of gamut colours and correct this during your processing.

If you want to add any ICC profiles for paper used these files should be put in the folder : Windows/system32/Spool/Drivers/Color after you have done this they will appear in the drop down lists for you to choose from.   I don’t know the Mac operating system perhaps one of our Mac users can enlighten us on where to put profiles on that system.

 

Printing

Having gone to the trouble of having set up Photoshop to manage your colours then when printing it is important to choose the option: Let Photoshop Determine Colors in the print dialogue box that will appear when you select: Print with Preview.

 

 

And every one said, 'If we only live,
We too will go to sea in a Sieve,---
To the hills of the Chankly Bore!'
Far and few, far and few, Are the lands where the Jumblies live;
Their heads are green, and their hands are blue, And they went to sea in a Sieve.

Edward Lear
http://www.nonsenselit.org/Lear/ns/jumblies.html


Onslow ( ) posted Mon, 07 May 2007 at 5:33 AM · edited Mon, 07 May 2007 at 5:34 AM

file_376830.jpg

Illustrations - click on them to see a larger slightly clearer image .

And every one said, 'If we only live,
We too will go to sea in a Sieve,---
To the hills of the Chankly Bore!'
Far and few, far and few, Are the lands where the Jumblies live;
Their heads are green, and their hands are blue, And they went to sea in a Sieve.

Edward Lear
http://www.nonsenselit.org/Lear/ns/jumblies.html


danob ( ) posted Mon, 07 May 2007 at 7:46 AM

Thanks again Richard for another valued contribution regarding the topic I have made it a sticky so members will be able to view it longer..

Danny O'Byrne  http://www.digitalartzone.co.uk/

"All the technique in the world doesn't compensate for the inability to notice" Eliott Erwitt


inshaala ( ) posted Mon, 07 May 2007 at 8:26 AM

Very easy to follow, thanks :)

A question:

I have my PS set to aRGB and my cam set to aRGB (i think i read somewhere that it has a larger gamut and thus thought it would be better), when i save the files to jpg - the "Colour representation" comes out as "Uncalibrated" (advanced properties on right click) - and when i re-open the shots they show than there isnt a defined colour space. Is this normal / good?

"In every colour, there's the light.
In every stone sleeps a crystal.
Remember the Shaman, when he used to say:
Man is the dream of the Dolphin"

Rich Meadows Photography


nattarious ( ) posted Mon, 07 May 2007 at 9:18 AM

Thank you Richard, as always, pro to explain :) My color tutorial was coming soon tho, so i don't know now shall i post it or not :D

Thank you and regards, my friend...

JOE

NATTARIOUS[C] IS A WELL KNOWN INTERNATIONAL CLUB DJ - PHOTOGRAPHER - GRAPHIC AND COMMERCIAL DESIGNER AND THE OWNER OF XOOM STUDIOS PRODUCTIONS & CERTIFIED LEGAL GOLD MICROSOFT PARTNER!

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Onslow ( ) posted Mon, 07 May 2007 at 9:32 AM · edited Mon, 07 May 2007 at 9:35 AM

Thanks guys :)

Joe why not post yours?  The more informed we all are the better. 
There are also variables I have not even touched upon here.

And every one said, 'If we only live,
We too will go to sea in a Sieve,---
To the hills of the Chankly Bore!'
Far and few, far and few, Are the lands where the Jumblies live;
Their heads are green, and their hands are blue, And they went to sea in a Sieve.

Edward Lear
http://www.nonsenselit.org/Lear/ns/jumblies.html


nattarious ( ) posted Mon, 07 May 2007 at 9:39 AM

Hehehe.. Sure i will now then :D

Thank you again Mr. and don't forget to try NATTARIOUS COLOURS .ICC profile, i know it will amaze you specially with prints ;)

JOE

NATTARIOUS[C] IS A WELL KNOWN INTERNATIONAL CLUB DJ - PHOTOGRAPHER - GRAPHIC AND COMMERCIAL DESIGNER AND THE OWNER OF XOOM STUDIOS PRODUCTIONS & CERTIFIED LEGAL GOLD MICROSOFT PARTNER!

XOOM STUDIOS PRODUCTIONS® OFFICIAL WEBSITE: WWW.XOOM-ARTS.COM

XOOM STUDIOS PRODUCTIONS® Ultimate Web Templates Just Click It


bobbystahr ( ) posted Mon, 07 May 2007 at 10:14 AM

Wow...this is one of the most productive forums I read regularily....thanx for the tute Richard, it's very well presented making it easy to grasp.. ...

 

Once in a while I look around,
I see a sound
and try to write it down
Sometimes they come out very soft
Tinkling light sound
The Sun comes up again



 

 

 

 

 


bclaytonphoto ( ) posted Tue, 08 May 2007 at 9:13 PM

excellent information..I learned something new !!!

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TwoPynts ( ) posted Tue, 22 May 2007 at 9:37 AM

Attached Link: Printing on Matte & Watercolor paper

I thought I'd stick this here since it sort of applies to Richards very useful info.

Kort Kramer - Kramer Kreations


Onslow ( ) posted Tue, 22 May 2007 at 11:43 AM

Thanks Kort :)

Choice of paper is a huge subject and one of the areas I didn't touch on.  Different inks perform better with some specific types of paper, or more specifically coating, and it can all get quite complicated choosing when manufacturers do not supply the information necessary on how their paper is made. 
Find a specialist supplier/ paper mill and stick with them if they offer you a good service is my advice.

And every one said, 'If we only live,
We too will go to sea in a Sieve,---
To the hills of the Chankly Bore!'
Far and few, far and few, Are the lands where the Jumblies live;
Their heads are green, and their hands are blue, And they went to sea in a Sieve.

Edward Lear
http://www.nonsenselit.org/Lear/ns/jumblies.html


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