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I've noticed something similar at 3dCommune. (I've only started selling
here in the last month or so, which doesn't give a pattern.) At 3dc, the
people who bought my stuff are all unfamiliar ... names I've never seen
in the forum or the gallery.
Speculation: Most of the folks who pay real money for a product are
going to use it in a commercial project, and they're not really into the
hobby aspect. They need the undisputed possession of rights more
than they need the interchange of comments and chatter.
Of course there's some overlap between the categories.
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I distributed a free, troll-like character for Poser with a total of over three thousand downloads and haven't seen him in a gallery once. A small percentage of Poser users actually post their images in public galleries, I think.
Download my free stuff here: http://www.renderosity.com/homepage.php?page=2&userid=323368
Some other reasons why you may not be seeing your product(s) in the usual galleries are:
I'm guilty of the last one. In the last few days I've been going through my purchases and downloads, organizing stuff and thinking about what I want to install for when Carrara 6 is released, and was shocked to see just how many commercial products I had completely forgotten about, haven't used or even installed yet! And some of it is from a LONG time ago...I'm talking a year or more. And I won't even get into the freebies! I have so much stuff, I'll never be able to use it all...and yet I keep getting more!
But when I post a new image, I almost always (about 99% of the time) give credit for everything I use, both free and commercial.
"You don't know what we can see
Why don't you tell your dreams to me
Fantasy will set you free." - Steppenwolf
I Know that for me I will buy things and use them but frequently just not finish a render of them. I wonder if low frequency of renders with purchased stuff here is a symptom of P6, P7, and artists miffed at Rosity. For me P7 just goes poof so I have to fall back on P6. P6 renderer is to slow to use most of the time and still can run out of memory on me so I finish and do far less than ever before. Then there is the fact I use Aiko a lot and like others who've had their Aiko images pulled from the gallery I just stopped posting poser renders here...what few I still get done. Finally the life stress work load most of us have to shoulder daily has gone up drastically in the last few years and I bet that has also contributed to infrequency of renders using the purchased products as well.
My brain is just a toy box filled with weird things
mylemonblue, I know what you mean about P7. It always crashes on me, even more so with the current SR. sigh I've been so frustrated, and trying to create anything is just too much of a hassle anymore. And like you said, P6 has a tendancy to run out of memory, so... shrugs
I just recently got Carrara 5 and I'm chomping at the bit for the free C6 upgrade! I have soooo many ideas for new images...things I would have never been able to do in Poser. I can't wait to use all my Poser content in C6!!
"You don't know what we can see
Why don't you tell your dreams to me
Fantasy will set you free." - Steppenwolf
People should learn to use Daz Studio for rendering. It's much quicker than Poser 7 (as long as you use shadow maps and don't raytrace.) Good renders are easier to set up and it's stable--although Poser 7 is pretty stable on my system as well.
Download my free stuff here: http://www.renderosity.com/homepage.php?page=2&userid=323368
I was talking to my friend Mapps about this very thing just 2 days ago. He'd kindly sent me some stuff as he does from time to time and the truth is I felt a bit guilty because I've hardly used his other stuff, not because I don't like it but because I forgot it was there!
I have tons of stuff in my runtime, some of which I bought and still haven't used or forgot it was there to use! Memory of what one bought is a big issue here I think!
On giving credits in the galleries, I have 2 comments to make: I used to make reference to the merchant when I first started out because "A" it was easy because I didn't have much stuff and "B" because as a newbie I thought it was expected!
I have a different take on it now and this may seem a bit off, but really I can't be bothered looking for who made the items I'm using which could be a large number in a single render plus if I paid for it I don't see that I should have to credit anyone! Sorry!!
No offence intended!! [to anyone]
Injustice will be avenged.
Cofiwch Dryweryn.
Much of my stuff never sees the web - what does tends to go on my own site.
I do try to credit when I can - normally I forget or get it wrong.
As for useage by other artists, out of 20+ products and 9 pages of freebies - just 2-3 freebies (vorg series) have got the most credited images.
I get more thank you emails and IM's and thats much better because you can talk with the artists then .
Credits, like product reviews, can be also contenious.
One site I know gets uppity if you credit stuff from artists who don't sell there. Plus some folks get upset if you don't use the exact name for something.
Once or twice I've been told I must credit something or leave a product review as well.
If it's a nice polite request I don't mind.
Pinky - you left the lens cap of your mind on again.
I guess, as a merchant, the feeling is "No news is good news"? If I don't have any complaints, than it must be making people happy in one way or another, eh?
The whole point of how frustrating it is to actually render an image good enough for the gallery is something I hadn't thought of, but have definately experienced. I agree about not posting credits, even though I'd admittedly like to see them. Strange how that works, but it's just too tedious to do so.
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We had another discussion on this very topic recently.
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I bought lots of products (too much according my credit cards),I also use free stuff and done some by myself
I use each almost one time ,some more often
At the beginning of Renderosity i upload some renders
Now ,never...i realise that my pleasure is doing thing (it is only a hobby) not showing or selling it
Only a few people see what i did using Poser ,Rhino, Vue etc
That likes this
And a big thank for every providers!!!!! Your products are appreciated even the results are not show
If I were an employee of EF, I'd fix this problem in a heartbeat. It should be possible to attach additional information to props, figures, lights, and materials (for a number of reasons, many having nothing to do with attribution.) So whoever made the thing could put their little contact info and product name if applicable right in the product. This would be automatically loaded by Poser when you load the item into a scene.
Now you are in a Poser scene - you ask Poser to tell all about the stuff used in the scene. Presto - it makes a nice little paragraph about it in a well known (probably XML) format or in human readable format. Last step - somebody at Renderosity puts a box into the gallery submit form for that info - autoparse - done.
It is really incredible to me that Word documents, JPEG images, etc - all very old formats - have meta-data (data about the data) that can carry all sorts of useful information, but these CG objects do not. I should think in a community that is constantly wanting to use and give credit for other's work, that it would be built in. As a software developer, I can assure you this is a trivial engineering task. It is not even remotely comparable in difficulty to the job of parsing and rendering all these items.
I also want to attach more meta-data to mesh vertices than just UV coordinates, which data would be very useful in designing sophisticated shaders.
Renderosity forum reply notifications are wonky. If I read a follow-up in a thread, but I don't myself reply, then notifications no longer happen AT ALL on that thread. So if I seem to be ignoring a question, that's why. (Updated September 23, 2019)
I buy quite a bit of stuff I never get around to using, and wouldn't post in R'osity galleries for pay. And I'd say, echoing Neyour, that the sheer crappiness of P7 has pretty much squelched my willingness to render. Add to that the fact that P7 screws up in C5P and my P6 has gone missing, and the result is no renders to speak of. I might work on one, on and off for three days (got four going right now), but when I'm finished, they won't be right, because I have never, ever gotten a render from P7 that was worth showing anyone. With P6, I could haul the junk over to C5P and finish it up. Hoping for C6P and a revival. P8 I'll watch for in the $10 bins.
Some store items I really got into and wanted to praise here, like Dystopia -- but Moebius got fed-up with Rendo and moved to DAZ, so my links and credits are worthless anyway. Not jaded against merchants, but I am jaded against stores that pretend to be communities. It's all BS. Ironicly, Dystopia became it's own community briefly, but you were forbidden/shamed if you made the conversation larger than the products. Moebius himself tried to contribute to discussions on architecture and futurism, but stores tend to have a main priority and it's not about a bigger picture than the products.
Starbucks tries to make these lounges for you to hang out and listen to music, but really people just go there to get coffee. Just because I'm drinking coffee doesn't mean I want to talk about the flavor of the day.... Hope you understand that metaphore. A community can discuss anything, but a store keeps directing you to make a purchase. It's a turn-off. I started a community-oriented thread here about Posette's Family Tree, and it was difficult to get people to stop replying as if I were asking for a product recommendation. Eventally someone got the idea and it was very entertaining.... Another thread about GND2 also turned into more product recommendations.
No offense, there are very nice people here and freebies and helpful answers. I just think a "real" art community is something more than just trying out and recommending products.
holly
That is just human nature to want to see your product in the galleries. However, you know how many people purchased your product and you know how many complaints you have had...."No news is good news?"
I apologize to everyone, however be it freebie or purchased items, I have not put anything into the galleries here. I am not very good and usually just have the character without a background. My main reason of getting into 3d art was to create psp tubes for use in digital scrapbooking. Plus, my tastes for art goes from Moon Dancer and Alice to KiKi....I really purchased a wide selection, however haven't used 1/100 of what I have purchased. Please know that for EVERY Holiday where I might receive presents, I ask for only Gift Certificates...I used to sell everything I owned at Ebay to have money for Poser. Addicted to you say??? Nah...I can quit anytime...I am just not ready:)
I do try to give my comments on the purchased sheet, however, due to gift certificates purchased for me at CP, which carries many stores, I cannot leave a comment. That is rather upsetting, however, you cannot leave comments at other places either.
@BagginsBill Yes, EF needs you - I could never understand why that wasn't a feature - but it could be developed as a standalone if vendors would sign on to the idea, couldn't it? All the files are ascii unless zipped - comments added could be read, couldn't they?
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Quick and probably dumb question. Why would they pull Aiko renders from the gallery? I have used her in a few renders here and none of them were pulled.
Quote - I Know that for me I will buy things and use them but frequently just not finish a render of them. I wonder if low frequency of renders with purchased stuff here is a symptom of P6, P7, and artists miffed at Rosity. For me P7 just goes poof so I have to fall back on P6. P6 renderer is to slow to use most of the time and still can run out of memory on me so I finish and do far less than ever before. Then there is the fact I use Aiko a lot and like others who've had their Aiko images pulled from the gallery I just stopped posting poser renders here...what few I still get done. Finally the life stress work load most of us have to shoulder daily has gone up drastically in the last few years and I bet that has also contributed to infrequency of renders using the purchased products as well.
Well, I am on a very very restrictive budget and have been since I became disabled. As a result I mostly have to rely on freebie stuff now. But when I do use a specific commercial package, I try my best to credit it. Some of the commercial stuff is a bit pricey nowadays as well, which may be related to lack of credits. Could you be a bit more specific as to which of your products are not being credited?
Quote - Well, it's been a while since my last product went to market. I thought enough time had passed that I could search the galleries and marvel at all the renders made using my product.
Searching came up empty, so I looked at every buyer's gallery to see if it went uncredited.
Lo and behold, nobody has rendered my product, credited or otherwise. Now, mind you, it's a good product, I use it myself. It renders quite nicely. I'm trying to stay clear of self-promotion here, but you get the idea. It's a fine product.
Some brow-raising discoveries have me wondering if you Vendors have had the same experience, and for the end-users, what gives?
The money comes in, and that's all well-and-good, but there is an additional satisfaction that comes from knowing the customer got good use of the item.
I guess this isn't much of a survey, but would love people to weigh-in on this topic.
As for me, I'm sure I've bought some things I haven't gotten around to using. I'm also pretty bad at giving credit, since I'm at about 20 gigs off stuff and half of it requires an endless search to figure out who made it. I render from time to time, but not enough to use everything I've collected. I DO have a gallery though, and it does expand, and some merchants can find their stuff in my end-results.
I usually use Carrara Pro 5 to render since I model the background scene in it.
Quote - People should learn to use Daz Studio for rendering. It's much quicker than Poser 7 (as long as you use shadow maps and don't raytrace.) Good renders are easier to set up and it's stable--although Poser 7 is pretty stable on my system as well.
Re: Product Credits, I do (just check my gallery)
I use the script (that comes with POSER: Menu>Scripts>Print Info>listfiles), to generate a listing of what I use in my renders. Copy the text, paste it in a Notepad doc, use that to credit the makers (if here) in the spaces provided and if the makers are not here they go in the main text description. I also when I unzip/rar files is to take the readme (if one) and place it in documentation folder in Poser, either by product name or in a vender folder for verification.
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I foreward BagginBill's idea on to EF.. ya never know what neat idea will catch their eye, and become doable. it would be a nice adition to Poser7 Pro, or a nice roll n for P7 sr3.
Only real downside is the massive number of avalable items that would not have that feature built into them.
Why couldn't ya have thougt of this around P5, BB?
Way too many people take way too many things way too seriously.
*It should be possible to attach additional information to props, figures, lights, and materials (for a number of reasons, many having nothing to do with attribution.)
can be done right now, kind of. OBJ and CR2's allow for comment lines that are ignored by poser (dunno about daz studio), so that part is already in place.
I agree with ockham about why people don't post much and credit much. I also buy things I know I will need later as you never know when a product could suddenly disappear from the MP. Love esther
I aim to update it about once a month. Oh, and it's free!
If you want to make an alternate version for CR2,
replace all 'PZ3' by 'CR2',
delete the line
poser.CloseDocument()
and replace
poser.LoadDocument(fn)
by
scene.LoadLibraryFigure(fn)
Same way for PP2, except use
scene.LoadLibraryProp(fn)
My python page
My ShareCG freebies
Yep happens all the time William_the_Bloody, both with market items and with freebies. I get all kinds of comments on how much one person or another likes a item but no sign of it in the galleries, it is getting used, just not posted, or it is getting posted in a non-Rosity gallery. Just doing a general search fo "mapps" on the internet and "mapps poser downloads" i have found postings of my stuff all over the world in different gallerys ods are the same with your stuff, it is getting use jsut not getting posted in the Renderosity Galleries. Well mwafarmer you sould put them into the galleries only if you want ohters to see them :-)
Quote - I also want to attach more meta-data to mesh vertices than just UV coordinates, which data would be very useful in designing sophisticated shaders.
That would be very cool!
That's one arena where higher end apps have the advantage, most of them are able to link to additional info about objects, entities within a project. Applications that I use, like Autocad, Max, CS2, Macromedia stuff all have it, and make it really slick and easy to expand their usability.
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Well William there are a few credits to you in the galleries, perhaps more will come in time.
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/browse.php?vendor_name=William_the_Bloody
Do allow me to make one suggestion though. If you hope they will give credit I assure you that they will hope you will leave a comment.
I search my name in general search every couple of days and search as vender as well. If anyone tok the time to leave a credit I take the time to leave a comment. Even if only a short one, after all it is the least I can do.
I don't know if htis has anythign to do with me staying in the top 25 most credited merchants most the time or not. But it can't hurt to give a little of what you want to receive. Credit where credit is due :-)
PS if you are uncomfortable commenting on your own stuff in the pic, do what I do...comment on everything else :-)
Coming up on five thousand downloads of the V4 lip morphs I offer as a freebie. I think I've been credited for its use maybe two times that I can recall, although I don't spend a lot of time looking in the gallery.
I try very hard to credit freebie creators. I assume alot are providing things as freebies to get thier name out there, so I feel obligated to do my part. I also try to send a note to people if I use thier freebie in my work. - Just so they can see it -
Merchants I don't though. The list is too long to keep track of with just freebie people. I have let merchants know how much I like what I have gotten from them before though. So far few have ever responded (two were Richabri and Francemi). More merchants should write on thier product pages that they would be interested in seeing renders done with it - then if people know the merchant is even interested they will let you know.
I try to keep track of venders who I notice saying things in threads like this.
I am: aka Velocity3d
I think that the Rendo website back-end actually sends a sitemail to a vendor when you credit them using the feature for it here, although they have to be listed as an actual "vendor" to even show up in the list (e.g. I do not, because I don't sell anything).
Quote - I've sold a ton of stuff, but rarely see any of it in gallery posts.
shrugs< Who knows.. maybe it's long forgotten gathering dust on everyone's hd?
Ditto, been selling here since the MP first opened and have sold lots. I have about three credits in the galleries, and one of those was a mistake:)
i just want to say bagginsbill is completely right.
on the use issue: i have several w.i.p.s that bombed at the scene phase. some that need postworking i'm not sure of. and i have about 16 or more ideas for stills or series. on top of that, i don't post everything here, because not everything ends up being gallery quality. i have several images that didn't make the cut, even with postwork. now, i don't think that's ever been because a product let me down (though in a few cases it was). though i will say, the only products that have let me down have been exceedingly popular. mostly, it's been because of either my own, my computer's or poser's/d|s performance (and let me say, i find d|s either on par with poser or below it in terms of stability and rendering speed).
sure i have many, many more products than i use (which is awful). but i'm trying to rectify that. freebies are special because while most merchants choose to keep something around a while, freebies can vanish in a month. so tons of people will download on the off chance they might need your freebie.
but even accounting for people not using what they bought and collecting rather than obtaining tools, renderosity and the major sites are really the tip of the iceberg when it comes to poser artwork. i've spotted the millenium fantasy dress and some daz textures in cgsociety 2d work that didn't credit poser at all, let alone specific merchants.
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Well, it's been a while since my last product went to market. I thought enough time had passed that I could search the galleries and marvel at all the renders made using my product.
Searching came up empty, so I looked at every buyer's gallery to see if it went uncredited.
Lo and behold, nobody has rendered my product, credited or otherwise. Now, mind you, it's a good product, I use it myself. It renders quite nicely. I'm trying to stay clear of self-promotion here, but you get the idea. It's a fine product.
Some brow-raising discoveries have me wondering if you Vendors have had the same experience, and for the end-users, what gives?
The money comes in, and that's all well-and-good, but there is an additional satisfaction that comes from knowing the customer got good use of the item.
I guess this isn't much of a survey, but would love people to weigh-in on this topic.
As for me, I'm sure I've bought some things I haven't gotten around to using. I'm also pretty bad at giving credit, since I'm at about 20 gigs off stuff and half of it requires an endless search to figure out who made it. I render from time to time, but not enough to use everything I've collected. I DO have a gallery though, and it does expand, and some merchants can find their stuff in my end-results.