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must be M3

I dont see the PW police uniform listed for M2 and i pulled up the m3 version and the chest looks the same when i put the camera at a similar angle

That appears to my eye to be Apollo with default texture.

Definitely Apollo. No mistaking that face.

I am seeing Poser-generated scenes being used more and more often for purposes like this.  Dare we call them.........professional applications of Poser?  cough cough cough

As everyone knows: the words "professional" and "Poser" when placed in juxtaposition to one another form an oxymoron.  Except, of course -- for those many professionals who regularly use Poser in secret but who will never admit to the fact publicly.  It's just too embarassing.

My vote is Apollo Maximus too.

Quote - I am seeing Poser-generated scenes being used more and more often for purposes like this.  Dare we call them.........professional applications of Poser?  cough cough cough

As everyone knows: the words "professional" and "Poser" when placed in juxtaposition to one another form an oxymoron.  Except, of course -- for those many professionals who regularly use Poser in secret but who will never admit to the fact publicly.  It's just too embarassing.

Poser figures are used a lot in UK magazines and newspapers.  Considering most magazines (general circulation, that is, not graphics mags) have an art budget of about 50p (that's around $1.00 to you Mercan types), it's a wonder they are even using Poser and not a box of crayons.

"for those many professionals who regularly use Poser in secret but who will never admit to the fact publicly.  It's just too embarassing."

Just curious.......... but how do Prove that Statement??
I dont find  3D "professionals" hiding their use of
Poser Models any more than they Hide their use of prefab models from turbosquid , 3D cafe etc.

Not trying to be contentious here ..really But I dont find that anyone with a deadline  in need some quick stock humans keeping poser as some "dirty little secret"
DAZ/Poser models are so blatantly easy to spot anyone with half a brain just owns up to having made use of one.
There have a been  few  Embarrassing high profile Cases over at CG talk of people getting "outed" for Claiming they modeled a human that was later determined to be a DAZ/poser human but those are very rare instances.

More often you find someone who creates some elaborate Detailed
Building/environment  and say "BTW the chick on the ledge is from poser because I sorta suck at humanoid modeling"

The majority of the people  I seem to see online who have a complex/stigma/guilt about poser, are the ones within the poser "community" itself.

Quote - The majority of the people  I seem to see online who have a complex/stigma/guilt about poser, are the ones within the poser "community" itself.

I know you are -- but what am I?

That's not been my observation.  Those "within the Poser 'community' itself" are in the position of reacting to prejudice -- not being the source of it.  Although admittedly: such reactions can often stem from the same motivations as those on the other side.  It's a matter of "I don't like you, either".

Too bad that mere tools can become such an emotional thing.  If Poser gets the job done -- then it's all good.

I see folks over at the other sites slamming Poser.  Not the other way around.

Hi, 
My username is DLFURMAN and I use Poser...

*What?!
No, I'm not a professional.
Oh!

*Never Mind!

:)

Quote - More often you find someone who creates some elaborate Detailed
Building/environment  and say "BTW the chick on the ledge is from poser

That's my likely use of Poser in the "highend" apps.  Modeling humans just isn't an interest......but I'm happy to use pre-configured human models where they are useful for telling a story.  However: it's a good thing that there are those who have an interest in creating human models for inorganic modelers to use as needed.

As a case in point for British mag usage of Poser - I picked up the latest copy of Beyond magazine a week or so ago - main story is about the possibility of European Bigfoots - and the thing is littered with Poser figures. The graphics of the Bigfoot article itself have an uncanny whiff of Sixs' work to them, and on the 'next issue' page are two figures. One is clearly James, and I'm not sure of the female because her pose obscures identifiabe features, but it's probably Jessi or Sydney, given the other presence in the mag.

JonTheCelt

The existence of Bigfoot in Poser proves the existence of Bigfoot in the forests of North America and Europe.

Uh......was the 'obscured female' being carried off by Bigfoot -- with James attempting a rescue?  In every old-fashioned "gorilla horror" movie, the monster always has a romantic interest in the (human) female.  Can't say that ever happens in the RW -- but perhaps some women have had experiences not too far off from it...........

nah, xeno, two completely different images... there's also a very poser-looking winged unicorn on the next issue spread, as well...

Beyond is quite good fun, actually, never picked it up before. Yeah, it's a conspiracy mag, but it's got a nice level of humour and tongue-in-cheek-ness, which is probably a signature of a British mag dealing with that- it's more about 'well, these are the things being reported, it's up to you to decide if you believe', than 'OMG!!! This is true cos someone on the internet said they saw it in their backyard, so it must be real!!!!!!!' that you get in some other, less entertaining projects.

JonTheCelt

It's interesting -- the tabloid business has come up on hard times in the US.  The Weekly World News -- which regularly featured cover stories like aliens endorsing candidates for president -- recently went under.  Even the National Enquirer has been forced to downsize due to falling circulation numbers.  I'm not sure why.

It's probably some sort of a conspiracy..........

It was funny, too -- IIRC, the Weekly World News aliens held a 100% accuracy rating in predicting the outcomes of elections -- the candidates which they endorsed always won.  I don't know what we'll do without them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weekly_World_News

Quote - I am seeing Poser-generated scenes being used more and more often for purposes like this.  Dare we call them.........professional applications of Poser?  cough cough cough

As everyone knows: the words "professional" and "Poser" when placed in juxtaposition to one another form an oxymoron.  Except, of course -- for those many professionals who regularly use Poser in secret but who will never admit to the fact publicly.  It's just too embarassing.

It's interesting - you're talking about two very different applications for Poser as a creative program. For creating art, within an artists community (whether it's the Poser community or 3D in general), yes - there is a certain stigma about Poser being a guilty pleasure...or as someone else put it to me today: a "low end consumer 'toy'."

But when you're talking about commercial applications for Poser, I doubt you'll find many people who are scared to admit to their boss that they saved the company hundreds to thousands of dollars by using Poser over some other 3D program. If it gets the job done, and it's tons cheaper, it's instantly a better solution.

It's the difference between artistic integrity, and career integrity. Two totally different areas.

But as far as the commercial uses for Poser, surely you've seen it more often than in just magazines! What about those "artistic renderings" of architectural spaces, wherein they have a bunch of stock figures walking and playing around? I noticed that most of those are from...or made for...Poser. I saw a billboard the other day with James G1 and G2, and Jessi G2 to boot. There's probably a lot more than we think.

Oh, I've seen Poser animations / stills used often: primarily on television shows and in TV advertising.  Yes -- if Poser gets the job done quickly & cheaply: then it's a plus.  No, Lucas or Pixar aren't likely to produce any feature-length movies using Poser -- but I'd still say that a common television / magazine / print presence makes a software package worthy of a "professional" label -- at least when the software is being put to what are clearly professional uses.

As for the use of Poser instantly translating into a lack of "artistic integrity" -- there are those to whom the very term "computer art" itself is an oxymoron (I like that word......it sounds so.......sophisticated........).  If it wasn't done with canvas & oil paint -- then it ain't ART.  Even if it was produced in a $35,000 program on a $250,000 workstation.  Or at least that's the thinking of some...........

Walmart's using it as well. Their self-checkout machines, that's the stock P4 Posette on the animated demonstration sequence that the monitors run when not in use by customers.

Wolf359 -
I've experienced the 'prejudice' angle of the art form myself personally, many times. I've gotten notes and such over on Deviant Art telling me quote : "Well it's nice except for the Poser bit..." or "Well it looks good. Just wish you hadn't used Poser to do it." or, on the more extreme end (and yes i have actually gotten notes like these before), "Why dont' you just go get a colouring book, and claim it's your art if you're going to use Poser for it?"

It does exist. It does exist outside of the poser ''community,'' though I'll admit I haven't seen a LOT of it, I HAVE indeed been on the recieving END of it myself, about five times or so over the last five years of my doing this stuff.

~ Seliah

Quote - Walmart's using it as well. Their self-checkout machines, that's the stock P4 Posette on the animated demonstration sequence that the monitors run when not in use by customers.

I've seen that.  I suppose that Wal Mart didn't have enough money to hire ILM to put something together for them -- so they got some guy in a garage to make a stock P4 animation for them, and then paid him $50 for his trouble.

Perhaps when Wal Mart gets a bigger budget they'll pay for V4.

:sneaky:

"I see folks over at the other sites slamming Poser.  Not the other way around." --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Xeno and others the stories of people online and elsewhere slamming poser are well documented blah blah..... Im Questioning Xenos assertion that there is this secret cabal of "pros" using poser but hiding this fact out of some "embarrasment" or shame this assertion seems gratuitous.

Most surprising example of Poser I've encountered? And also the one which proves the theory that pros use it at all manner of levels? Take a look at the animatics on the Willy Wonka DVD... during the Augustus Gloop song, I can see a number of Poser characters being used in the pre-viz. now, which company was it did the effects work and pre-viz for Tim Burton on that film?

JonTheCelt

Quote - "I see folks over at the other sites slamming Poser.  Not the other way around." --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Xeno and others the stories of people online and elsewhere slamming poser are well documented blah blah..... Im Questioning Xenos assertion that there is this secret cabal of "pros" using poser but hiding this fact out of some "embarrasment" or shame this assertion seems gratuitous.

There's plenty of professional uses of Poser to be found -- but there's little corresponding acknowledgement of that fact to be found on the "pro" websites.  However: there is a prevailing attitude of "Poser stinks" to be found there.  So.......if you put two and two together: the likely conclusion is that the "pros" must not want to admit that many of their number use something which they publicly profess to despise.  Even when it's clearly the best solution for certain applications in the "pro" world -- offering an easy, fast way to illustrate something: without having to expend 500 man hours to produce the illustration.  In such cases, the purity of "Art" might have to take a backseat to practical considerations.  Like time & money.

It is true: the resultant embarassment might be gratuitous -- or at least caused gratuitiously.

Is it about Poser or the fact that they used already made figures? Everybody is assuming that they used Poser. How is it to be considered if they only used the figures and models, but manipulated and rendered the scene in a high end app' that cost thousands of dollars. It's possible that the mesh was altered and re-rigged to work in another program. Then of course is the ultimate forbidden I would guess among the proud big money software using artists-It could have been done in Daz Studio 0.1 and post worked in Paint Shop Pro 6 on an old fosil computer from yesteryear. 

Fancy expensive software is nice to have, but it doesn't make all of the images. If that's how CG is governed then we really need to go back to the basics again and pick up a pencil and some sketching paper and make art to understand it. The nicer tools only have more features or capabilities. The artist is still the same. Tools are tools. Then there is the whole passion thing. Do you do it for money or fun and is one more important than the other? Ask ancient man and the people that doodled on cave walls. Problem is this. Will computer art be viewed 2000 or more years from now or could it all be lost because the language of the machine is lost with the machines themselves? Or because Windows won't run the program anymore?

Looks like Apollo Maximus to me.. you will wonder what New York Times used from poser stuff..lol they all do and not in a cinema quality, this cost to much...
they maybe use poser models but most of them render it in different progs..
Most texturing work I did for commercial customers was rendered in max, they used poser just to export the figures and that not always, sometimes just the geometry.. and as dogor said re-rigged to work in max..

Cath

*"but I'd still say that a common television / magazine / print presence makes a software package worthy of a "professional" label"

*Well - being young and naive I would say that a "toy" is used to pass the time away, while a "tool" is something I use to get to a result. And many, many Poser results are just one thing: good.

(Depending on the user intention)

But I generally agree with you WalMart theory, Robert.

Quote - Walmart's using it as well. Their self-checkout machines, that's the stock P4 Posette on the animated demonstration sequence that the monitors run when not in use by customers.

And in Tesco and Asda this side of the pond.