Attached Link: http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/3d-model-romantic-scene/381341

But ..what is the MODEL ? what did You make ?

I made the whole scene

You Made the flowers and the bench ..
So you made the bech in a modelere or vue from scratch , and textured the flowers etc .
or did you put the scenen together from vue parts..
Its a bit unclear because you called it a model when i see a scene..
Thats whats confusing me and maybe others willing to buy  it ..

I meant scene sorry I made some of the models in the scene but not all of them.

Quote - I meant scene sorry I made some of the models in the scene but not all of them.

Mmmm 
but ..do you have the Legal Rights to sell some one else's items ?

When you dont make them you cant sell them.. unless you have written permission.
I think you need to make it clear what you actualy did model, and whats in the package that belongs to some on else ..

So what did you model from scratch and what did you put in it that came from some body else..

I asked them and they said it was fine

It's a lovely scene but I have enough flowers and trees.  Don't give up...you are up against a lot of competition but there's always room for more good stuff.  I hope you do have permission to sell what you didn't make? 

Yeah ok... 

But beware that if someone buys it and pays for it YOU are resposible for any LAW problems that come's from it.
And when the maker suddenly says  : we never said its OK .. you in big troubles..
But let me say do you own modeling and a scene like that is made in 5 minutes for every Vue owner..
So IMHO its not make me spent $5 on it ..
Make things that AD's to Vue ..scene's we all can make thats what Vue is for.  

Chris

Well I am glad you like it.

If I were you I would REALLY pull this, until you have written permission for redistribution. You can't just sell someone else's content without express permission, and the meshes in vue if they are from Eon are non redistributable.. in other words you are NOT allowed to resell them.

If they can prove thier content was used in your product, you can be sued for damages.. NOT what you actually make on selling this, but implied damages by the original creator.

You've already publically admittied that you did not create some items in the scene, so you've already admitted your guilt in this, and they could sue you for $1000, and there's not a whole lot you could do to defend yourself.

A good rule of thumb:

Never under any citrcumstances EVER try to sell something you didn;t create yourself, unless you have written permission from the author. Make SURE that the author is indeed the original creator, and if there is ANY possibility of a doubt, do not accept that written permission as factual.

You CAN sell your originally created items in the scene separately, ,use that image as an ad render, and add a disclaimer to it that such and such item is NOT included in your product.

Just because it's on the web doesn't make it any less a crime to give away someone else's content, or sell someone else's items, and you have no defense what so ever right now to a lawsuit. You can loose your internet connection, your accounts at web sites, monetary loss, and more importantly, your respect in the 3d community. Word has a way of getting around about issues, and once you've ruined your reputation, its gone for good.

(Plus if legal issues are filed, that becaimes part of your permanant record, and copyright violation becomes much more suspect when you already have had it filed once against you successfully.)

I agree with Barcode & Garee - I can't think of anyone who buy a Vue scene - it's not like Poser where people buy photos for use for backgrounds.  In addition, a couple of those plants appear to be "tubes" or cutouts from real photos.  You can tell since the lighting is not the same on them as the other items in the image. 

I have permision and I am not selling eon's stuff I made all of it in vue it is not a scene from one of there sample scene's I made it my self so I can sell it.

You made all the plants, all the textures, all the objects?  If so, great.  I would never buy someone else's scene, but that's me personally.

HOWEVER - If you did use someone else's stuff, it's a) kinda cheesy, b) opening yourself up to problems.

Knock yourself out either way, it doesn't hurt me if you are sue, banned from the site or otherwise hassled by the man.

I made most of the models but I have permission

So you contacted eon, and they gave you written permission to redistribute their content?

If so, I wish you well, and hope it does great for you!

if not, Eon peruses these forums, and is VERY active about protecting thier content and properties. We cannot even redistribute their content to other users who have issues with an install.. We can't even redistribute a patch for vue without them jumping down our throats.

I have a hard time believing eon gave you alone redistribution rights.

But that's your issue to deal with.

What is eon's that I am redistributed

admin2,

I can see you are really hard at work trying your best and really getting into the spirit of a Content Artist.  I would like to make a suggestion about creating Vue Scenes and distributing them.  

Why not contact Vue Tech Support or Sales and ask them if you can sell your versions (creations) of the Vue Scenes?  Describe and show them what you are trying to do and get a “Yes” or “No” from them.  That way you would know where you stand, and they can tell you what they will allow and will not.

Everything that comes in the Vue package belongs to e-On they own complete and total distribution rights to all content including the Vue File extension format.

Good Luck.

Eon is the creator or Vue, and all the included content. if any of that content is included in your package, then you are in violation of thier copyrights, and in violation of redistributting thier content.

If you got the rights to redistribute the included items from Vue, then THEY are who you should have contacted about it.

If you've purchased any content from anyone else FOR vue, and it's included in your product, then you are violating thier copywrite as well by redistributing it.
if you don;t know who the creator is, and are redistributing items, then most likely you ARE violating copywrites, and if if you were unaware of it, that still makes you responsible.

Like I said, I NEVER redistribute ANYTHING I haven't made myself, because it's just far to easy to get yourself into a huge deep pile of you know what.

Keenart's advise is VERY sound.. put a hold on your product until you hear from Eon... that way they won't hold you liable for redistribution issues, in case you unknowlingly included thier items. 

They have and could revoke your vue license for redistribution violations.

I don't recognize any of EONS scene stuff off hand - what I see are plants that were cut out of real pictures.  It's easy to spot.  The 2 green plants on either side - I've had in PSP tube format for about 6 years now.  Those I do recognize.

So it's some 3d stuff he made with some flat plants? I know I'd be mad if I bought a 3d scene, and a lot of it was flat cookie cutter cut outs.

No it is not. But I do not have time to wait for eon to respond to my question since I am going on vacation for christmas and I will not be here in 2 days

I'd say you have time, you just need to take it offline for sale until they get back to you.  Better to wait 2 weeks before it goes on sale than to be sued.  Its not like the scene is flying off the shelf anyway...

It's odd. Go back to the drawing board.

Im not responding to this anymore .. the short repleys and the way its going i think its not 100%..

But i will say this you better sell a 10.000 $5 items ..because when the lawyers come you NEED that cash to save your butt...

Admin2, I don't know if there are may Vue users at turbosquid, I may be wrong, but TSquid is 99% about 3DS Max, and even if there are Max/Vue xStream users there, if they are to buy a Vue scene, it better be something they can't do themselves, by this I mean complete environments with terrains, good materials, advanced ecosystems and atmospheres.
I do NOT mean your scene is poor, but maybe not useful to professionnals.
You should think about www.cornucopia3d.com, a dedicated Vue community where you can buy/sell anything Vue ( provided you don't infringe any copyright of course). There you can find professionnals and hobbyists alike, and the latter may be more interested in your products than pros.

Hello admin2.

This is a good first effort, but a couple of things should be commented upon.

The scene is composed reasonably well, but appears to be a little cramped - squeezed together too much. Also, for a Vue scene to be a useful commercial rpoduct, it probably should be able to support more than one point of  view - more than one camera angle. Your scene appears to good for a frontal view, but might not be good for other camera views from the sides.

The bench, unless you can show differently, is a free item model that that is not supposed to be used for commercial purposes. Some of my fellow vendors are checking on the status of this bench. On TurboSquid, please be aware that we who are vendors there are very diligent in scanning for other vendors who misuse our property or who put up models for sale that do not belong to the them. On Turbosquid, the staff does not review models or scenes for copyright violations, but we who are vendors there do review these models, and we do so every day. Five or six of us regularly patrol the site for people who are dishonest. Every day, we alert the staff of copyright violations, and every day, the staff does remove questionable items from the site.

Turbosquid may not be a good site for you to broker this kind of product at this time. In general, the customers of Turbosquid are architects or people in the movie and advertising industries. They are looking for very high quality, complex models to use in their own rendering programs and the general price of such models will be about $50.00 or greater. Very few casual users or private artists purchase anything from this site. Your scene may be too simple for the Turbosquid marketplace.

Two other people have put up Vue scenes for sale on Turbosquid. Both "scenes" are quite extensive, and include various well-made models. Neither has sold in the last six months. This is not to say that Vue scenes won't find a market in the professional world over time, but not yet. Many of us Turbosquid vendors are watching the Vue scenes on Turbsquid quite carefully to determine if such a product is viable in the professional marketplace. I would guess that Vue scenes will become a commercial product during this next year, but only when they include an extensive set of original models, when they are useful for multiple purposes (and have several different viewing angles possible to them), and only when they were so time-consuming to make that purchasing them saves the purchaser a LOT of time. (In fact, most of the firms that purchase models from Turbosquid do have their own in-house model-builders. These are firms that are looking to save time - purchase of a model is cheaper than having their own people make them.)

You should be encouraged to continue with your efforts to build original scenes, that have unique and attractive qualities, and that use original models and materials.  It appears to me that you have some talent at this, but you need to keep working to develop your talents further.  I doubt that this particular scene will sell any copies because the people that purchase models from Turbosquid can easily make this kind of bench and stone patio, and probably, the plants as well. If you can develop your talents to the point where you can build some models that most model-builders cannot do easily, and pose them in unusual, interesting and attractive Vue scenes that save 'professionals' time and money, then you might find purchasers for your work on Turbosquid.

Respectfully, Forester

Ok I am leaving soon so I can not do any thing now but I will put it on coppenaria or what ever it is called when I get back I will probably give it out for free if no one buys it by the time when I get back so please buy it. thanks for every thing

admin2,

I believe you really need to better understand the limitations for using other people's work. I recently downloaded your Tropical Island scene from Rendo's "Free Stuff" area, and it immediately prompted me for Thomas Krahn's sky.jpg file.

Even though Thomas provides free copies of that file, it is his file to distribute, not yours. Unless you have written permission to use it, you shouldn't.

I would suggest you take a look at all of your free stuff for possible violations of copy-protected materials.

I have emailed him but he has never replyed and if they are free you are allowed to use them as long as you do not sell them. Ask him

Use them but not redistribute them even for free

Yeah but it says on his site I am prettty sure you can just not sell them.

you need to be a lot more than "Pretty sure" - you need to be 100% dead certain sure that you are permitted to redistribute them. 

It says on his website:

"These photos are for non-commercial-purposes only"

I would not assume you can use them and distribute them from your website unless you have specific permission. Certainly I and others here wouldn't knowingly do such a thing.

I applaud your effort to share your creations with this community. But remember, part of being in a community is respecting other's creations as well. Co-opting them as your own creations, without as much as a 'thank-you', does not bode well for maintaining the sense of community.

I tryed to thank him but he never responded to my email plus like you say you need the permission from the person who's models you are trying to sell so if some one ask me if they can sell the model I have in there scene I would just say no and that way it would stay non-commercial

By 'thanking him,' I meant a public acknowledgement of using his sky.jpg in your scene. If you peruse the galleries here, you'll find people tend to make mention of any items they use in their scene, which they did not create. This is valuable for two reasons:

1. It's a nice and polite "thanks" to the originating artist and;
2. It allows others to learn about the location for new materials, objects and scene elements.

Furthermore, by acknowledging others, one does not create the false impression a scene was created from scratch.

Sorry I will do it next time

...and here are - since years - the (alpha-)plants for everyone:
http://www.hortus3d.com   (3D Technique)

Wow, that's very nice ullistein. I especially like the way you created themes for your gardens. Bravo!

Man you really need to listen to what these guys are telling you here.  Lawsuits are no laughing matter that's why I make darned sure that my models are mine and that every texture is my own before I sell or give anything away.  I know if it were me you took any content from you would receive a letter of cease and desist after that it would be up to you where we went next.  We spend many hours making models and creating textures, I'm sure you would not like it if you were ripped off in a similar fashion.  think about it before you sell or post a freebie, ask yourself. "Do I own all this content?" "Did I alone create this content?" "Do I have the permission to use this content in this manner?"  If you answered no to any of those questions then for your own good, don't submit it.  Do not get discouraged, get a good modeler and learn to build your own models, you will learn much.  These guys will not steer you wrong on here, it takes time to get good, it's taken me years to just now be able to start offering my models up to the public.

OK I will give it out for free in about 5 days but I am using a computer at a hotel and I can not access turbo squid so I will do it later

admin2, to my knowledge, the site administrator of Turbosquid has been notified of copyright violations by two authors of your scene components. I suggest that you find a way to delete your product as soon as possible. Otherwise you will risk being prohibited from using Turbosquid. Giving the product out for free is still in violation of the copyrights created by the two authors of your scene components, so you also are prohibited from doing that.

Im no expert but uh....I believe everyone here has called you out admin2.  Now would be a good time to hide as someone is bound to turn rat. 

That aside, I am confused about this "scene" everyone is speaking of.  When I clicked thel ink its a rose.  A single rose on a black background.  No 3d model, no mesh...just an image.  Its selling for 20.00!!! not 5.00.  Did I miss something or am I WAY late on this thread? lol

Bit late on the thread, here is what it says when you click on the link for Turbosquid :-

  NOTICE   The product that you requested is no longer available for sale. Below is a product that you might be interested in.

Jon

Yeah the scene is deleted now, Turbosquid instead links you to 1 of trillium36's palnts.

I think it's a good thing he took it down, copyright violations can be expensive.

Nowdays the average artist cannot afford to sue for copyright violation.  However, there is a very easy way to get around that issue, by sending a bill to the violator for use of copyright.  If the bill goes unpaid, you have a much easier route of collection.

I did take the model off the site now I have it for free but I do not think I will be responding much more to this thread

You seem to be missing a fundamental point here.  **YOU CANNOT DISTRIBUTE THAT SCENE FOR FREE OR FOR MONEY BECAUSE IT CONTAINS OBJECTS WHICH YOU DON'T OWN THE COPYRIGHT FOR

**Is that a bit clearer ?

admin2,

Here are a couple of URL’s that explain copyright and you should read them very thoroughly to get a full understanding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright

http://www.copyright.gov

admin2 - when objects are available somewhere, for free or not, you have to ALWAYS assume they cannot be redistributed.

Wether you redistribute them from free or not doesn't matter. What matters is the redistribution part.

The only way you can redistribute content is 1) to get direct permission of the author of the object (always the best solution) or 2) to have objects that specifically allow redistribution.

When an object is available for free, for Non Commercial purpose - it always means that you can download and use it for free, for your own projects, but it doesn't mean you can redistribute it.