I see that they posted the pricing for Poser Pro over at Ef (look under FAQ for Poser Pro)
$499.99 with a side grade discount for P7 owners only
hopefully the release date will follow soon

OK -- I had hoped that you meant a complete listing.  The $499.99 price tag for the full version was announced several weeks ago.  However: the upgrade prices remain unknown -- and those are the prices that most of us would like to know about.  Perhaps the final upgrade pricing hasn't been decided upon yet.

Thanks for posting, anyway.

smith micro should set the upgrade price (from 6/7) at $199. less profit per sale, but more total sales. very few of these users will pay $499, in case nobody told smith micro yet.

the FAQ say only P7 owners will get the special pricing not owners of older versions

my guess is side-grade pricing will be around $200-$250

Quote - smith micro should set the upgrade price (from 6/7) at $199. less profit per sale, but more total sales. very few of these users will pay $499, in case nobody told smith micro yet.

Never stopped anyone from trying. $499 is definitely too much, and I think $199 is still too much.

actually considering that the sidegrade won't even be to the Pro version but to the "Base" version which I assume would retail a fair amount lower than the Pro version if they were even offering it for sale seperately, which Im not sure about, I think the upgrade price should be lower. they have not specifically said that there would even be an upgrade offered to the Pro version.

If it was to be $199 for a P7 sidegrade, even this is too much. From the details I've seen of Poser Pro, for me personally I don't think it's even worth $1.99. There's nothing that I'd need from it.
I guess most would find some benefit, but even then it still seems pricey.

I will have to see what the basic for Poser 7 has....but it does not look promising for me.  Sharen

heck.. I think they should do a DEATH MATCH CAGE FIGHT with DAZ, and make it FREE!

waves up the thread to Sharen
Hiya Sharen, have a happy new year!

Is this going to be a pool? I'm betting somewhere between $299 and $349 for upgrade from P7.

Not being one in the know about such things, I have to wonder - do they have to pay money for the rights to create a plugin that imports a scene into, say, 3ds max?. Unless the nature of it is just COLLADA or fbx, but when they say scene input I assume they mean that includes cameras, lights, rigging and some sort of shader node translation.

I guess that would be in the SDK for the programs, but I don't know how inclusive that SDK is for the ones they're going with at first. I believe I read that LightWave's SDK didn't make it easy, and that's why it was scratched off the list. Don't know if that's a physical limitation of the SDK or because it wasn't freely available though.

But it should be taken into consideration it's no small thing they're promising - it can't be cheap for them, and I'd imagine they're under pressure to not repeat the first "Pro Pack" ...ummm...situation.

There are no fees for these (unlike, well, Poser's supposed SDK).  The SDKs are usually free to developers (but it helps to have a legal copy of the software, heh?). :)

I'll take odds at $150 ($149) sidegrade with a limited-time offer of $99.

I think the question should be, " Is there going to be a release?" It has been very quite, not even any bloging for quit some time.

I bet you it doesn't happen untill 2008. Any takers?

Quote - I think the question should be, " Is there going to be a release?" It has been very quite, not even any bloging for quit some time.

I bet you it doesn't happen untill 2008. Any takers?

Could be and the longer then better. Gives them time to work out bugs and such.

Quote - I think the question should be, " Is there going to be a release?" It has been very quite, not even any bloging for quit some time.

I bet you it doesn't happen untill 2008. Any takers?

Well, since you posted at 11:40 pm on new year's eve, I'd say it's a safe bet that 2008 will be the release year...;)

OH, you caught that , did you. LOL I figured it was a safe bet.

I agree, the longer it tkes the better for us. I"m not in a rush. I would rather see another SR first.

They already missed their projected release date so I guess it is going to be whenever...  So they have posted plans for full version and sidegrading but nothing on upgrading yet.

I always go on the assumption that new software releases -- of whatever sort, and by whatever company -- will occur "whenever".  Effectively, that's the way it happens around 85% of the time, anyway.  And we can't control it.

Besides, as others have already mentioned: I'd prefer that it comes out right*,* rather than come out quick.

personally i wont be getting Pro as i havent got 64bit nor enough PC's to make use of render farms(nor cash,lol) and i dont see me wanting to use collada.
Is it me or shouldn't P7 also be available in 64bit,as 64bit systems are readily available and not that expensive.
im gonna save up for P8 and hope they give us 64bit etc......

I currently use Poser 6 because there wasn't very much in Poser 7 that I felt warranted my spending money to upgrade to.   I had decided that I would wait for the next release of Poser and see what it had to offer and then upgrade.

However, if upgrading to the newer version IE: Poser Pro, means my having to spend $500.00 because my version of Poser is not the most current one, well, they can just kiss my hiney!!  :glare:

Quote - I currently use Poser 6 because there wasn't very much in Poser 7 that I felt warranted my spending money to upgrade to.   I had decided that I would wait for the next release of Poser and see what it had to offer and then upgrade.

However, if upgrading to the newer version IE: Poser Pro, means my having to spend $500.00 because my version of Poser is not the most current one, well, they can just kiss my hiney!!  :glare:

Quoted for agreement

Quote - I currently use Poser 6 because there wasn't very much in Poser 7 that I felt warranted my spending money to upgrade to.   I had decided that I would wait for the next release of Poser and see what it had to offer and then upgrade.

However, if upgrading to the newer version IE: Poser Pro, means my having to spend $500.00 because my version of Poser is not the most current one, well, they can just kiss my hiney!!  :glare:

Well said, I am in the exact same situation and thought.

*Quote: I currently use Poser 6 because there wasn't very much in Poser 7 that I felt warranted my spending money to upgrade to.   I had decided that I would wait for the next release of Poser and see what it had to offer and then upgrade.

However, if upgrading to the newer version IE: Poser Pro, means my having to spend $500.00 because my version of Poser is not the most current one, well, they can just kiss my hiney!! 

• Couldn't agree more either. I recently had a change to try out Poser 7 and it sure is a complete waste of money. The only real use-able and cool feature is the mulitple undo's. Thw whole memory management improvements are a joke..... Poser 7 uses at least 100Mb when rendering a scene then it does for the same scene in Poser 6.

They're asking money for features that should have been in a free service pack and now they dare to ask a ton of money just because they added Pro to Poser's name? It's a fact that Poser sales are doing really bad and this Pro stuff is the sure thing to make things worse!

I dont really see Poser Pro as Poser 8 , rather I see it as an attempt to make Poser easier to implement in a professional pipeline and more acceptable to professsional users .  If it IS Poser 8 then I think they are going to lose the Hobby matket to Daz Studio .

Just my opinion .

Yeah, Daz Studio seems to be coming along...  Sooner of later I'm going to have to look into downloading and trying out that program.

I downloaded it, still got it installed. It's very cool as is, but to get it almost good as Poser 6 is now, you have to invest quite some money into it and I'm not yet willing to do so. I've also noticed that rendering in D/S is even slower as it is in Poser, that and the lack of a good material room has still stopped me from switching.

$500 would bring Poser's pricing about up to the approx. level of many "pro" applications.  Whether or not it'll prove to be worth that sort of investment to pro, semi-pro, or advanced hobbyist users remains to be seen.  I know that this sort of prenatal negativist approach is SOP for anything new which comes along in the Poserverse -- be it a new figure, 3rd-party app, or software incarnation.  But I'll not condemn the good folks at SM before I've actually seen the program in action.  Then -- and only then -- will anyone know whether or not the app is worth $500 to those who are interested in 3D software which costs that kind of money.

I'm looking forward to the 64-bit functionality.  It'll likely serve to side-step the memory limitations which Poser has always suffered from: and which has just happened to have always been my biggest gripe with Poser.

I know, I know.......it's always more fun to get the pitchforks, torches, hangin' nooses, and boiling tar & feathers prepared in advance.......in gleeful anticipation of the joyous party to come.  Call it a pre-necktie party.  I have to admit that it's a great tradition among many other strange traditions which are infused into the culture of the primitive, perpetually war-painted and war-whooping Poser tribe.  And who'd want to go against such a well-established tradition?  To take a contrary point of view is to become taboo...........

sigh  I suppose that in order to fit into the tradition properly I'll need to go smear on some greasy war paint & start the urn with the tar going on the bonfire.  *Sic 'em, boys...........! * :woot:

Well that certainly hasn't done anything to change my mind.

Quote - Well that certainly hasn't done anything to change my mind.

shrug  Whether or not people's minds are changed is entirely up to them......I can only speak for myself.  And my own mind is set to wait 'n see before I make any decisions in advance.

But that's just me.

Quote -

I know, I know.......it's always more fun to get the pitchforks, torches, hangin' nooses, and boiling tar & feathers prepared in advance.......in gleeful anticipation of the joyous party to come.  C

sigh  I suppose that in order to fit into the tradition properly I'll need to go smear on some greasy war paint & start the urn with the tar going on the bonfire.  *Sic 'em, boys...........! * :woot:

Emotional Hyperbole Aside
I dont see any angry mob of villagers here
I see People who are just being realistic/Honest about this price point/verses new functionality NO one here is predicting disaster for SM
they are commenting on what has been announced regarding pricing
$500 USD for what is essentially
some add ons to poser 7 is just a little high for ALOT of people.
Apparently

One wonders where exactly is the Market for this  $500 "upgrade"??
the "Pro" users as in owners of other high end programs
obviously Dont see "hosting for render only" as worth $500
just to get some DAZ figures in there scene when there are other viable& CHEAPER and even free alternatives for MAX and Cinema4D and NO support for Lightwave.

The average poser user/merchant maybe creates some poser
 content of his own and who can not afford
or does not care to own/learn MAX/Cinema4D
Doesnt need the high end app "hosting" capability.

The average poser user who does not create/test content
but wants better  outdoor/environment lighting options.
Well $89 USD and Vue Easel would suffice

The average poser user who does not create/test content
and just  wants to use a modern System light  posing and rendering
program for his/her DAZ content has a FREE PROGRAM FROM DAZ.

So we are left with those who are thrilled with firefly and choose to render everything , still or animation, in poser and desire 64 bit poser to address more than 2 GIGs of RAM.

Fine the market will let Smith micro know if that segment will viably support this  $500 version.

Cheers

Well.......NO one is predicting disaster for SM -- but we'll predict it, anyway.

Emotional hyperbole aside -- I see no reason to condemn a program before anyone has actually laid hands on it yet.  Whether or not doing so constitutes the actions of "angry villagers" or of reasonable deep-thinkers represents a judgment call in and of itself, I suppose.

Yes -- on the outside, $500 for what we've seen talked about so far seems a bit on the steep side.  But I'm not planning to slam it until such time as I've actually been given a reason to do so.  And that hasn't happened yet.......it won't happen until after the program's been released.

Also keep in mind that the a lot of the 'high  end' users absolutley dislike and ridicule Poser content and I'm afraid Poser Pro isn't going to change that attitude. I'm still wondering who EF had in mind when contemplating about a Pro version.

XENOPHONZ, I'm not an angry mob either, I just spent money on something that I see a use in and upgrades that really offer me a substantial improvement of the previous version I do own. Poser 7 isn't offering that at all, far from it, imo it's not even worth to be called P7, but P6.5 would have suited much better.

Edited because I forgot a word :-(

I certainly think that the new owners of Poser might like to know that many of the customers they are aiming this new product squarely at, after reviewing the promised new features, feel that the pricepoint they are asking is far too high for many of us to consider adding it to our arsinal, before they release this product, so that they may reconsider their options. I for one am really not interested in the upgrade option that they have suggested will be in place. An upgrade to a stripped down version which lacks the only features that I am interested in doesn't seem any upgrade at all to me. And buying an all new copy at $500, of a piece of software I already own certainly is of no interest to me. I as well as several others in this thread are in that group of users who also use a higher end 3d suite, so we are the group the "Pro" version is supposedly aimed at. if we who actually have integrated poser and it's content into our workflow are already saying Pass, than what is the chance that they will be able to intice the rest of the high end market which has traditionally looked down on Poser?

I thought the $500 price tag was for those that don't have P7. Those that do, there is the base package that gives just about the same except the 3 rendernodes instead of 10 and the extra collada exports. I don't recall a price being given for the base but was mentioned that would be much cheeper. By how much, we won't know until it is released.

I don't know, but wouldn't complaining about the price of the next version/ upgrade, because you are a coupleof versions behind, a bit silly? Do you think if you owned Vue 5, you should get Vue6I for the same price as those that owned Vue5I?

I am now a 64 bit freak too. So I would love a 64 bit version. Yes, it would be nice to have an SR that did that foru us, like eF did with Shade but that's not going to happen. I have nothing but bad luck with P7, crashes every few renders. probably because I didn't have any issue with P5 so it's my turn. But, I still have hope that it gets fixed and hope that going 64 bit will stop the crashing. Again, won't know until it is released.

DS is a good alternative. The base is free and then you get nickel and dimed to death to try and get it to what poser does. Doesn't DS cost more than Poser now.

It would be nice to hear anything on what is happening with Poser, but it does not look like that will happen, no worse than what Daz does. Actually, not as bad as Daz. We don't have to keep hearing the hype of something that may or may not happen In a Daz "SOON" time frame.

Quote - Also keep in mind that the a lot of the 'high  end' absolutley dislike and ridicule Poser content and I'm afraid Poser Pro isn't going to change that attitude. I'm still wondering who EF had in mind when contemplating about a Pro version.

I think that EF was aiming to change that attitude.  Admittedly, they have a major mountain to climb if that's their goal -- but stranger things have happened.

One mistake that some make is to go on the assumption that so-called 'high-enders' can't be just as prejudiced and petty as anyone else can.  The fact is that professionals aren't always professional.

Quote - I just spent money on something that I see a use in and upgrades that really offer me a substantial improvement of the previous version I do own. Poser 7 isn't offering that at all, far from it, imo it's not even worth to be called P7, but P6.5 would have suited much better.

Fair enough -- each has to make his or her own judgment, and then react accordingly.  That's an action that I can respect.  And judging a software that's already out (P7) according to one's own needs / desires is an action that I can respect, too.

But I have problems with prejudging Poser Pro.

BTW - we still don't know the total upgrade / sidegrade pricing schedule yet, either.  So at this point in time that's another area of speculation.

Not a bad idea to let SM know that the price needs to be lower, though.  I'd certainly like to see it lower. 

What is PoserPro?  Is this Poser8 or a separate product?

If they wanted to improve the perceived values of Poser among professionals there are a few fixes to the core program that would have done it simply.  Calling Poser  "Pro" isn't one of them.

Quote - What is PoserPro?  Is this Poser8 or a separate product?

Poser Pro:

http://www.e-frontier.com/go/poserpro

Quote - Well.......NO one is predicting disaster for SM -- but we'll predict it, anyway.

Emotional hyperbole aside -- I see no reason to condemn a program before anyone has actually laid hands on it yet.  .

Again More hyperbole

who here so far is "Condemning the program"
As consumer of a product one can assume that the thread participants have some use/need for poser
but we also have every legitimate  right to dislike
an announced price of a  new version based on what we the buyers value in its new higher priced features.

Example :I am a MAC user/advocate
but I consider  the  new ultra thin "mac book air' to be over priced for what  it features beyond its thinness. compared to my White  intel mac book

Im not going to be a Blind psycophant and say that "we shall speak no
ill of this new MAC laptop until we get one in our hands".
I can read a published spec sheet and announced price and form a
**"value/usefulness for the money"**opinion like any reasonable consumer.

Similarly I consider  $500 USD for poser "pro" to be too high for the reasons
I listed earlier.

Cheers

I try my best to avoid being a psychophant, too -- it's bad for the reputation.  In fact, I even try to avoid being a sycophant.

There's little moral difference between being a sycophant on the one hand, and being an incessant negativist on the other hand.  But in my observation: incessant negativism is a far more common affliction within the Poser community than is sycophancy.  Although examples of both afflictions exist.

However: I can safely predict (and with great accuracy, too) which side of any new release many will come down on.  And that's not hyperbole.  It's tradition......set-in-stone, firm custom.  And the attitudes on display are not to be questioned nor challenged.  At least not without running the risk of being labeled a "psychophant".  Or maybe even being called a ......gasp........fanboy.  :scared:

Nope -- I'll leave the moral equivalence of sycophancy or of predictable negativism to others......but I'll wait until I see the software before I pronounce final judgment on it.  It's got some features that I think that I'm going to like (but of course: that doesn't mean that anyone else has to like it).

Quote - I know, I know.......it's always more fun to get the pitchforks, torches, hangin' nooses, and boiling tar & feathers prepared in advance.......in gleeful anticipation of the joyous party to come.  Call it a pre-necktie party.  I have to admit that it's a great tradition among many other strange traditions which are infused into the culture of the primitive, perpetually war-painted and war-whooping Poser tribe.  And who'd want to go against such a well-established tradition?  To take a contrary point of view is to become taboo...........

sigh  I suppose that in order to fit into the tradition properly I'll need to go smear on some greasy war paint & start the urn with the tar going on the bonfire.  *Sic 'em, boys...........! * :woot:

Ahh crap..  now I've got a pitchfork and a torch all ready and no reason to use it.  I hate it when that happens.. lol..

Seriously, I'd love to see 64 bit functionality for Poser, but I think Smith Micro might be pricing themselves right out of the market already, unless the new Poser is something really spectacular and just blows the older versions out of the water.

For that kinda coin a nominal upgrade or simple 64 bit functionality won't do... there now heading into the price range of some fully functional, fully featured professional aps that have capabilites that Poser 7 simply doesn't have - so unless they turn Poser 7 into something more like Carrara with all the modeling features and such, I just don't see them keeping much of a market share at that price level.

Too many other 3d apps already at that pricing level that have a lot more features and functionality than poser.  I think Smith Micro would be much, much better off dropping back a peg or two and keeping Poser more of a introductory or hobbist type application, which is where poser's market has always been.

If they want to take poser and add enough features to it to make it worth $500, then maybe they should split the development into a more traditional style poser app at something much closer to it's original price range, and a "professional" version that has all the extra modeling capabilities and can really compete with programs like Carrara or Modo on an even footing.

As it is trying to wring $500 out of people if what they have now is just relatively minor upgrades will go over like a lead balloon, and make it much, much more difficult for them to do business in the future even after they realize that nobody is going to pay $500 for a program that doesn't do as much as all of the other competitors in it's price range.

Don't get me wrong folks, I'm a big poser fan and it works great for what I use it for, but If I'm going to plunk down that kinda caah for a 3d app it won't be the new version of Poser unless the new version of Poser can give 3ds Max a real run for it's money, something I highly doubt.

So yes, I am willing to wait until Smith Micro actually releases some code before I make any final judgements, but honestly I have a hard time beleiving they could have improved poser so much that it would be worth over an almost 200% increase in price over the previous version. 

I think Smith Micro should seriously reconsider there marketing strategy - They are not going to get loyal poser users to stick with Poser if they bump up pricing that hard, and they are not going to get folks who are new to the wonderful world of 3d apps either, not with so many competitors at that price range that have so many more capabilities than poser does. 

If they don't then odds are good applications like Daz Studio will eventually consume what is currently the Poser Market, and I doubt that your going to get a lot of people who already use other apps like Modo or Carrara or the like to switch over to Poser at this point.  Nope, I think Smith Micro is making a monster mistake here - one that will likely cost them a lot of money in lost revenue and unless the reverse field relatively quickly, maybe kill the poser market all together.

Ok.. rant over.. and pitchfork is put away.. for now.. lol..

Stepdad

Thanks for the link.

***Better Integration with Professional Environments
*Realize the added benefit of quickly animating with Poser’s pre-rigged characters inside of host application such as Autodesk’s 3ds Max and Maya, and Maxon’s CINEMA 4D. Play back Poser scenes in other powerful 3D applications for increased productivity and access to pre built, modifiable content.

I don't use any of those listed programs.

**Enhanced Path to Photoshop CS3 Extended
** Populate the Adobe Photoshop CS3 Extended 3D Layer with COLLADA objects. Enhance your images with thousands of stock pieces of 3D Poser content available at www.contentparadise.com.

Nor do I use Photoshop.

***Network Rendering & 64-bit Support
*Built on a powerful 64bit render engine offering incredible speed and amazing quality. Get the most out of your hardware and leverage your network to render massive scenes and lengthy animations using the network render queue to distribute render jobs across all your of your networked machines and with background rendering capabilities you can now keep working while you render.

I don't have a network, I have one machine with a 64-bit processor running a 32-bit OS.  So this is not useful to me either.

***Maximum Flexibility with Poser Content
*The industry-standard COLLADA data exchange format combined with content designed and built specifically for Poser Pro greatly enhances the versatility of the already 30,000 plus 3D models available through Contentparadise.com.

I don't need Collada; I have or can model any model I need.

***Hosting Plugins
*Directly host Poser scenes including geometry, textures, animation data, and more in the following applications:
Autodesk 3D Studio Max Windows
Autodesk Maya Mac and Windows
Newtek's Lightwave Mac and Windows
Maxon's Cinema 4D Mac and Windows

I don't have any of those programs.

***COLLADA
**Poser Pro offers Data Exchange with the industry-standard COLLADA format. Gain maximum flexibility by transporting Poser content to applications such as Adobe Photoshop CS3 Extended.
Import: Geometry, Textures, Cameras, and Lights
Export: Geometry, Textures, Cameras, Lights, Morph targets, Bones, Shaders, Animation Data

Still don't use Collada nor Photoshop.

***Rendering
*64bit Render Engine
Network Rendering
BackGround Rendering
HDR Image Creation and Export

HDRShop does a fine job for HDR, thanks.

So when is Poser8 going to be released?  Will its lighting system include a specular channel for IBL?

Ah, Now I got it: when they made a 64bit- version after the 32bit-version, they thought that besides the bitrate they could also double the price, that really makes sense isn't it?
Oh please come on !, let's be real people, this is just an ordinary, much overdued upgrade. We only have to pay more because there's a "pro" tag on it.
Suppose autodesk or maxon doubled the price of their products: everybody  would stick with the old version until they had to lower the price because no one would buy it, and this is what I think that  will happen with poser-"pro"

and by the way, I like poser 7 very much inspite of the initial problems, in my opinion you use it too little if you don't like it. The multiple Undo-item alone  just gives the upgrade its value, but also the better multiple runtime-handling, the multiple processor rendering, the faster clothroom, the morph tools, do I have to go one? There are things that I haven't used like the talk-editor on the animations layer so I can't comment on that, but anyone who complains on poser7 should make more effort to get acquintated with it. I had the same issue with Hexagon 2.2, in the begin I hated it because it crashed to much, but after I learned to avoid the pitfalls I just loved it. And I agree that crashes have to be avoided with proper error-trapping but what would you expect from a sub-$500,- program. I paid €3000,- for Autocad and even that  has its crashes once in  while.

And can someone explain what a psychophant is?  a psychotic elephant? I'm only dutch and bablefish didn't give me some help.

Best regards,

Bopperthijs

Quote - Yes -- on the outside, $500 for what we've seen talked about so far seems a bit on the steep side.  But I'm not planning to slam it until such time as I've actually been given a reason to do so.  And that hasn't happened yet.......it won't happen until after the program's been released.

We aren't talking about a future version of which we are merely speculating on its features and prices.  We are talking about a documented program and suggested prices.  If you want to know exactly what is being offered with Poser Pro than you can check out the website and decide for yourself if as currently stated it would be worth it.

www.e-frontier.com/go/poserpro

Thanks for the link -- IIRC, it was posted earlier in the thread. 

Yep: I agree -- everyone has to decide for themselves whether or not Poser Pro will suit their particular needs.

Quote - And can someone explain what a psychophant is?  a psychotic elephant? I'm only dutch and bablefish didn't give me some help.

Well -- accordin' to my Dutch/Southern dictionary -- a "psychophant" is a type of virulent bread mold.

I have an old Motionbuilder 5 standard Software.If Poser Pro can do what MB 5 can do.I mean the rigging system , the foot-ground controll ,the real-time rendering and all the features of Mb in it ,I am willing to pay 500 dollars.If it is just another Poser version with that few announced features and still the same ridicolous interface ,they can go to hell.I still have Poser7 and IPP---What more do I need?

I was disappointed to learn that Poser Pro would not include a means by which to import fully rigged and morph-able content into Lightwave. Paying 500 dollars for this capability would have been worth it. A 64 bit Poser would allow for the creation and export of larger scenes into Vue 6 Professional, but I can do this piecemeal already. The Firefly renderer is in desperate need of an upgrade. Paying big bucks to render more quickly with a substandard render engine isn't really worth it. The hobbyists who can afford it migrate to other programs, like Carrara, Cinema 4D, or Vue, where they can render Poser content at a whole new level. Many of the professionals seem to despise Poser. Unless there are some surprises yet to be announced, I fear that Poser Pro will be a commercial failure.

Quote - "Also keep in mind that the a lot of the 'high  end' absolutley dislike and ridicule Poser content and I'm afraid Poser Pro isn't going to change that attitude. I'm still wondering who EF had in mind when contemplating about a Pro version."

Responce to the Quote: I think that EF was aiming to change that attitude.  Admittedly, they have a major mountain to climb if that's their goal -- but stranger things have happened.*

I don't think that anything EF does to Poser will change that attitude, the main problem 'high end' users seem to have with Poser is the kind of images the majority of users produce. That's what gives Poser a bad name and frankyl, I can understand it. I bought Poser ages ago, the images created then were quite different then what we've seen the last 3-5 years. If I would be a fist time buyer now looking for a 3D application to use with my comics, Poser would not be consider most likely. After all most of us look at the features first and then at the galleries and we all what know what they look like. They would infuence my choice negatively.

"but anyone who complains on poser7 should make more effort to get acquintated with it."

I take that was aimed at me because I said I have bad luck with P7 crashing a lot on me. Sorry but I use it a lot every day, then again I have to, I don't have any of the other versions installed anymore. No, I am quite knowledgeable with the use of P7. That has nothing to do with it crashing as much as it does. it needs anothe SR.

Everyone keeps harping on the $500 price tag. That is also a full version not an upgrade. I just want to know what the upgrade price will be from my P7 or at least the upgrade to the base package, which is pretty much all I need.

I can't say if something is to much in price because we have not been given the final info yet. Who knows, it might not ever get released or maybe just called P8 when it does. It is nothing but guess work untill the official anouncement.

Attached Link: SEE TRUE POSER/CINEMA INTEGRATION

There is Nothing else you need
Now that i have the Cinema+IPP Combo
Poser6 will  be my LAST version of poser
Because with IPP all you really need is a properly structured runtime and you load fully functional poser content directly into Cinema  from there.

Quote - I was disappointed to learn that Poser Pro would not include a means by which to import fully rigged and morph-able content into Lightwave. Paying 500 dollars for this capability would have been worth it.

Did I miss something?  I thought it said that Lightwave was going to be supported in Poser Pro.

Quote - Who knows, it might not ever get released or maybe just called P8 when it does. It is nothing but guess work untill the official anouncement.

See, there you go again.  Its not guess work it is posted on their website.  We aren't talking about Poser 8 which we know nothing about but are talking about Poser Pro which is already posted with the features it will offer and projected release date.  The release date has passed and there is no new word as its progress.  I think that they promised too much and can't seem to get it accomplished in the time frame they thought they would, hence the long delay.  It will probably be like Silo and released a year later than expected.  Look for Poser Pro first quarter 2009.