What kind of Poser stuff could generate an income of $800.00 a month? I know merchants get 50% of the sale price here, I think, so you would have to sell a lot. Also, is there any market for Poser art itself? I need to start making money and I'm afraid to rob a bank, LOL!

Short answer is, you work real hard and release quality work, establish a good rep and generate repeat custom.  It helps if you do something nobody else does, too.  Custom morphs are one way, original models are another.  Why d'ya think I'm going hell for leather to learn modelling?  Much as I love texturing, the sets only sell for so long.  Models tend to have a longer lifespan and a higher perceived value.

Answering your second question, yes, there's a market for Poser art but it's mainly to adult sites.  There are a couple of artists I know of who make and sell porno comics to adult sites.  From my own limited experience, making comics of any kind in Poser is damn hard work.

This is the very thing that my WIFE wants to know. ;=D
DPH

Also, don't expect to hit the ground running.  Most of the top earners have been going for years, working their butts off and spending more hours at this than the average joe works in a regular job. 

Best case is, you'll generate a few sales first time around.  Lots of work for little return.  Keep at it and eventually - maybe - you'll see your customer base grow.  But you can't ever stop.  You have to keep working, keep innovating and maintain your quality standards.  If anything, you have to improve your quality standards, because people expect more now.  Also, with new rendering techniques, customers expect shader tricks and things to enhance the packages.

Anyhow, it's way past time for me bed.  So, goodnight all and don't try to kill each other while I'm gone.  I want a nice, neat and orderly forum to return to.  :)

Follow and analyze top sellers works. Take note of the quality, frequency of releases, style, theme. There's a reason top sellers are at the top.

I think robbing a bank would be faster - if riskier, LOL!

Is there some other subject you know really well?   Uniquely well, or
with a unique viewpoint?  Could you think of a way to use Poser images
or animations to illustrate that subject?   Perhaps turn it into an
instructional game using SWF interactive animations?

If so, you could self-publish a book or CD on that subject.  It's a 
better bet for income than "Of the Poser, By the Poser, For the Poser" work.

Quote - I think robbing a bank would be faster - if riskier, LOL!

John Dillinger ### From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jump to: navigation, search

John Herbert Dillinger

  Born June 22, 1903(1903-06-22)
Indianapolis, Indiana, U.S.A. Died July 22, 1934 (aged 31)
Chicago, Illinois, U.S.A. Charge(s) Bank robbery Penalty Imprisonment from 1924 to 1933 Status Deceased Occupation Bank Robber Spouse Beryl Hovious (divorced) John Herbert Dillinger (June 22, 1903 – July 22, 1934) was an American bank robber, considered by some to be a dangerous criminal, while others idealized him as a latter-day Robin Hood. He gained this reputation (and the nickname "Jackrabbit") for his graceful movements during bank heists, such as leaping over the counter (a movement he supposedly copied from the movies) and narrow getaways from police. His exploits, along with those of other criminals of the 1930s Depression era, such as Bonnie and Clyde and Ma Barker, dominated the attentions of the American press and its readers during what is sometimes referred to as the public enemy era, between 1931 and 1935, a period which led to the further development of the modern and more sophisticated FBI.

Contents [hide]

• 1 Biography- 1.1 Robbery career
• 1.2 Death
• 2 Was it Dillinger?
• 3 Mrs Dillinger
• 4 The Dillinger Family
• 5 Legends
• 6 Tributes to Dillinger
• 7 References
• 8 Further reading
• 9 External links

//

[edit] BiographyHe was born June 22, 1903, in Indianapolis, Indiana, the son of John Wilson Dillinger (1864-1943) and his first wife Mary Ellen "Mollie" Lancaster (1860-1907). Dillinger grew up in nearby Mooresville. He enlisted in the U.S. Navy, but deserted within a few months and was later dishonorably discharged. Dillinger returned from the navy to Indiana where he married April 12, 1924 local Martinsville girl Beryl Ethel Hovious and attempted to settle down. However, he had difficulty holding a job and his marriage disintegrated and they were later divorced June 20, 1929. One night in 1924, a small-time criminal who was a friend of Dillinger convinced him to collaborate in the mugging of a well-known Mooresville grocer named Frank Morgan. The two believed that the grocer carried a large amount of cash. They were soon captured. Dillinger's friend employed a lawyer and received only two years in jail, whereas Dillinger, unable to afford legal representation, was convicted and he ecaped in prison despite having no prior criminal record. It has been reported that Dillinger, who was a member of the prison baseball team, played so well that he could have been drafted under normal conditions as a professional major league player. Dillinger was paroled after serving 9 years.

[edit] Robbery career

Dillinger embraced the criminal lifestyle behind bars, learning the ropes from seasoned bank robbers like Harry Pierpont of Muncie, Indiana and [ Russell "Boobie" Clark](http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Russell_%22Boobie%22_Clark&action=edit "Russell "Boobie" Clark") of Terre Haute. The men planned heists that they would commit soon after they were released. Once Dillinger was released from Indiana State Prison at Michigan City, he helped conceive a plan for the escape of Pierpont, Clark and several others, most of whom worked in the prison laundry. The group known as the "first Dillinger gang" included Pierpont, Clark, Charles Makley, Edward W. Shouse, Jr., of Terre Haute, Harry Copeland, ["Oklahoma Jack" Clark](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Oklahoma_Jack%22_Clark ""Oklahoma Jack" Clark"), Walter Dietrich and John "Red" Hamilton. Homer Van Meter and Lester Gillis (a.k.a. Baby Face Nelson) were among those who joined the "second Dillinger gang" after he escaped from the county jail at Crown Point, Indiana.

Among Dillingers more celebrated exploits was his pretending to be a sales rep for a compnay that sold bank alarm systems. He reportedly sauntered into a number of Indiana and Ohio banks and used this ruse to assess security systems and bank vaults of prospective targets. Another time, the gang pretnded to be part of a film compnay that was scouting locations for a "bank robbery" scene. Bystanders stood and smiled as a real robbery ensued and Dillinger and friends rode off with the loot. Stories such as this (doubtlessly embellished with each telling) only served to increase Dillinger's burgeoning legend which the depression era tabloid press fanned with abandon.

Dillinger was believed to have been associated with gangs who robbed dozen banks of a total of more than $300,000, an enormous sum in the Depression era, totaling nearly five million dollars inflation adjusted.

Dillinger served time at the Indiana State Prison at Michigan City, until 1933, when he was paroled. Within four months, he was back in jail in Lima, Ohio, but the gang sprang him, killing the jailer Sheriff Jessie Sarber.[1] Most of the gang was captured again by the end of the year in Tucson, Arizona due to a fire at the Historic Hotel Congress. Dillinger alone was sent to the Lake County jail in Crown Point, Indiana. He was to face trial for the suspected killing of Officer William O'Malley during a bank shootout in East Chicago, Indiana, some time after his escape from jail.[2] During this time on trial, the famous photograph was taken of Dillinger putting his arm on prosecutor Robert Estill's shoulder when suggested to him by reporters.

On March 3, 1934, Dillinger escaped from the "escape-proof" (as it was dubbed by local authorities at the time) Crown Point, Indiana county jail which was guarded by many police and national guardsmen. Dillinger apparently escaped using a hand-carved bar of soap shaped like a gun , although this was disputed by some witnesses.

Dillinger further embarrassed the town, as well as then-42-year-old Sheriff Lillian Holley, by driving off in her brand new V-8 Ford. The press augmented her chagrin with such headlines as: "Slim woman, mother of twins, controlled Dillinger as sheriff."[3]

Incensed, Holley declared at the time, "If I ever see John Dillinger again, I'll shoot him dead with my own gun. Don't blame anyone else for this escape. Blame me. I have no political career ahead of me and I don't care."[3]

Driving across the Indiana-Illinois state line in a stolen vehicle, Dillinger violated a federal law and thus caught the attention of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. An investigation concerning the facts of the escape was carried out some time later by the Hargrave Secret Service of Chicago, Illinois on the orders of the Illinois governor. The governor and Illinois state Attorney General Philip Lutz eventually chose not to release information because they did not want Dillinger to know of the informants with whom they spoke. As a result the findings about the gun in the escape were never made public, and this, coupled with Dillinger himself actively perpetuating the wooden gun story as an ego boost, is a reason many believe the "wooden gun" escape was real.

Once out of prison, he continued to rob banks. The United States Department of Justice offered a $20,000 reward on June 23 for Dillinger's capture, or $5,000 for information leading to his apprehension.

In April, the gang settled at a lodge hideout called Little Bohemia Lodge owned by Emil Wanatka, in the northern Wisconsin town of Manitowish Waters. The gang assured the owners that they would give no trouble, but the gang monitored the owners whenever they left or spoke on the phone. Emil's wife Nan and her brother managed to evade Baby Face Nelson, who was tailing them, and mailed a letter of warning to a U.S. Attorney's office in Chicago, which later contacted the FBI. Days later, a score of FBI agents led by Hugh Clegg and Melvin Purvis approached the lodge in the early morning hours. Two barking watchdogs announced their arrival, but the gang was so used to Nan Wanatka's dogs that they did not bother to inspect the disturbance. It was only after the FBI mistakenly gunned down a local resident and two innocent Civilian Conservation Corps workers (as they were about to drive away in a car) that the Dillinger gang were alerted to the presence of the FBI.[4] Gunfire between the groups lasted only momentarily, but the whole gang managed to escape in various ways despite the FBI's efforts to surround and storm the lodge. Agent W. Carter Baum was shot dead by "Baby Face" Nelson during the gun battle. Barney G. Louis Boeding accompanied him during the robberies[5]

By the summer of 1934, Dillinger had dropped out of sight. He had, in fact, drifted into Chicago and went under the alias of Jimmy Lawrence. Taking up a clerk job, he also found a new girlfriend named Polly Hamilton, who was totally unaware of his true identity. In a large, sprawling metropolis like Chicago, Dillinger was able to lead an anonymous existence for a while. What Dillinger didn't realize was that the center of the FBI dragnet happened to be in Chicago. When the authorities found Dillinger's bloodied getaway car on a Chicago sidestreet, they were positive that he was in the city.

[edit] Death

Dillinger's last day of freedom was July 22, 1934. Dillinger attended the film Manhattan Melodrama (coincidentally, a gangster film) at the Biograph Theater in the Lincoln Park neighborhood of Chicago. Dillinger was with his girlfriend, Polly Hamilton, and Ana Cumpanas (a.k.a. Anna Sage), who was facing deportation charges for running a brothel. Sage had worked out a deal with Purvis and the FBI to set up an ambush for Dillinger in exchange for dropping the deportation charges against her. When they exited the air-conditioned theater that hot summer night, Sage tipped off the FBI agents, who opened fire as Dillinger ran, drawing his weapon, killing him. Dillinger was struck three times, twice in the chest, one actually nicking his heart, and the fatal shot, which entered the back of his neck and exited just under his right eye. According to Purvis, Dillinger died without saying a word.[6] Sage had identified herself to agent Melvin Purvis by wearing an agreed-upon orange dress. The artificial lighting distorted the true color of the dress leading to the enduring notion of the "Lady in Red" as a betraying character. Though she had delivered Dillinger as promised, Sage was still deported to her home country of Romania in 1936, where she remained until her death 11 years later.

The Biograph Theater in Chicago, June 2007.

Purvis had assembled a team of both FBI agents and hired guns from police forces outside Chicago (Milwaukee, Michigan City, Indiana, etc.) because it was felt that the Chicago police had been compromised and could not be trusted. As a matter of fact, during the stakeout, the Biograph's manager thought the agents were hoodlums that were setting up a robbery. He called the Chicago police who dutifully responded and had to be waved off by Purvis, who told them that they were on a stake out for a much more mundane quarry. Earlier in the day, Sage had called Purvis and told him that Dillinger was going to the movies that night and might even go to two separate shows just to avoid the murderous heat that was smothering Chicago that week. Two theaters were mentioned. One, the Marbro, was downtown, and the other was on the North side (the Biograph).

Not chancing another embarrassing getaway, Purvis split the team in two and dispatched one team downtown while he accompanied the other group to the Biograph. When the movie let out, Purvis stood by the front door and signaled Dillinger's exit by lighting a cigar. Both Purvis and the agents reported that Dillinger turned his head and looked directly at Purvis as he walked by, glanced across the street, and then moved ahead of his female companions and bolted into a nearby alley drawing a pistol when he quickly came under fire from a number of different guns. Two women bystanders were slightly wounded in the legs and buttocks by flying bullet and brick fragments. An ambulance was summoned and although it was clear that Dillinger had quickly died from his gunshot wounds, he was taken to a nearby hospital where his corpse was briefly placed on the grass outside the emergency room where a harried intern came out and officially pronounced Dillinger dead.

The body was then taken to the Cook County morgue where the body was repeatedly photographed and death masks were made by local morticians in training, who inadvertently damaged the facial skin. Throughout that night and most of the next day, a huge throng of curiosity seekers paraded through the morgue to catch a glimpse of Dillinger in death. The chief medical examiner finally complained that this mob was interfering with his occupation and Cook County sheriff's deputies were posted to keep these macabre tourists at bay. There were also reports of people dipping their handkerchiefs and skirts into the pools of blood that had formed as Dillinger lay in the alley in order to secure keepsakes of the entire affair.

Dillinger is buried at Crown Hill Cemetery (Section: 44 Lot: 94 )[1] in Indianapolis. His gravestone is often vandalized by people removing pieces as souvenirs.

To this day, loyal fans continue to observe "John Dillinger Day" (July 22) as a way to remember the fabled bank robber. Members of the "John Dillinger Died for You Society" traditionally gather at the Biograph Theater on the anniversary of Dillinger's death and retrace his last walk to the alley where he died, following a bagpiper playing "Amazing Grace". Dillinger and his men had a hideout in Langlade County just south of Forest County, Wisconsin along Highway 55, which is now a small bar named Forest Inn.

[edit] Was it Dillinger?To this day, there are doubts whether Dillinger actually died on July 22, 1934. Some researchers (chief among them famed Chicago crime writer Jay Robert Nash) believe that the dead man was in truth a petty criminal from Wisconsin named Jimmy Lawrence, who had dated Dillinger's sometime girlfriend Billie Frechette and bore a close resemblance to the famed bank robber. Some people who knew him said they did not recognize the body; in fact, Dillinger's father had suddenly exclaimed when first seeing his son's corpse, "That's not my boy!" After all, John Dillinger did receive rather crude plastic surgery some time before his death. Moreover, if indeed the agents did mistake Lawrence for Dillinger, the FBI would have had a strong incentive to cover up such a blunder, since J. Edgar Hoover was on the verge of being fired as Bureau director in the wake of the extensive public outrage over the earlier Little Bohemia Lodge incident. An autopsy contained information that was controversial, such as:

• The corpse had brown eyes. Dillinger's were grey, according to police files.
• The body showed signs of some childhood illness which Dillinger never had.
• The body showed a rheumatic heart condition, yet according to the later testimony of Dr. Patrick Weeks — Dillinger's physician at Indiana State Prison — Dillinger could not have suffered from this disease as he was an avid baseball player while in prison and had served in the Navy.
• The small Colt semi-automatic pistol that Dillinger had allegedly drawn on the approaching FBI agents outside the Biograph (and was for years shown in a display case at FBI Headquarters along with Dillinger's death mask) was not his; it had, in fact, been manufactured five months after Dillinger's death, which supports the claim that the FBI agents, without warning, shot and killed an unarmed Dillinger.
• In 1963 the newspaper The Indianapolis Star received a letter from a person called "John Dillinger" with a return address in Hollywood, California. The letter contained a photo of a man who looked like a more aged Dillinger. When this was ignored, another letter was sent to Emil Wanatka Jr, the proprietor of the Little Bohemia Lodge.

However:

• The body was positively identified as John Dillinger by his sister Audrey, through a scar on his leg received in childhood.
• The mistake concerning the corpse's eyes may have been an error on the part of the coroner resulting from eye discoloration caused by a traumatic head wound or decomposition in the intense summer heat.
• The FBI has at least two sets of post-mortem fingerprints of the dead man. Though scarred by corrosive acid, the prints shared the same characteristics as those of John Dillinger.

A 2006 Discovery Channel documentary titled The Dillinger Conspiracy examined the legends surrounding his death. Several historians, detectives, and forensic scientists examined the autopsy, the 1963 letter, and East Chicago Police Sergeant Martin Zarkovich's gun to determine the true story behind his death. Ultimately, the show suggested Zarkovich fired the final bullet which did in fact kill Dillinger, and that the FBI was complicit in his death.

[edit] Mrs DillingerBeryl Ethel Hovious was born August 6, 1906 in Stilesville, Indiana. The daughter of Stephen Hovious and Cara Vandeventer. She married John Herbert Dillinger on April 12, 1924 in Martinsville, Indiana. However she stated then her age was 19 and she was born August 5, 1904. The marriage was brief ending in divorce June 20, 1929. Beryl remarried in July, 1929 to Harold McGowen divorcing July, 1931. She again remarried in 1932 to Charles Byrum and they had one child. Beryl Hovious Byrum died November 30, 1993 at Millers Merry Manor, Mooresville, Indiana and is buried at Mt. Pleasent Cemetery, Hall, Indiana.

[edit] The Dillinger FamilyJohn Herbert Dillinger was born June 22, 1903 in Indianapolis, Indiana the younger of two children born to John Wilson Dillinger and Mary Ellen "Molly" Lancaster. His parents had married August 23, 1887 in Marion County, Indiana and had one older daughter Audrey born March 6, 1889. Dillinger's mother died in 1907. He was primarily raised by his teenage sister while their father maned his business. Audrey married in 1907 to Everett "Fred" Hancock and had the first of their seven children in 1908. Their father remarried May 23, 1912 in Morgan County, Indiana to Elizabeth "Lizzie" Fields (1878-1933). Inititally Dillinger was jealous and disliked his stepmother but eventually as reports have it came to love her as his own mother. When in jail he was paroled to see her after she had become ill but arrived home too late only to find her already having died. Dillinger's father and stepmother had three children, Hubert Dillinger, born ca 1913, Doris Dillinger, born ca 1918 (married surname Hoffman) and Frances Dillinger born ca 1922 (married surname Thompson). On April 9, 2004 Ethel Schooling Dillinger died in Indianpolis, Indiana at age 86 years. She was listed as the widow of Hubert M. Dillinger. Doris Dillinger Hockman, born December 12, 1917, died March 14, 2001 Martinsville, Indiana.

[edit] LegendsMany legends surround John Dillinger.

One of the rumors that followed his death was that he had a very large penis (which Hoover later kept in a jar).[7] This legend is the result of the photograph of his corpse; the bulge caused by his arm, stiff from rigor mortis, covered with a sheet; some who saw grainy newsprint copies of the photo mistakenly believed it to be his unnaturally large erect penis.[8]

The "Lady in Red" story stems from a poem allegedly chalked on the alley wall where Dillinger was shot:[citation needed]

"Stranger stop and wish me well, Just say a prayer for my soul in hell. I was a good fellow, most people said, Betrayed by a woman dressed all in red"Over the years, reports have come in of Dillinger deliberately taunting J. Edgar Hoover by making collect phone calls to the FBI HQ in DC as well as sending him Christmas cards. There can be no doubt that Hoover became irrationally obsessed with apprehending Dillinger to the exclusion of all other duties. At one time, a third of the entire budget of the FBI in 1934 was devoted to hunting down this one man. Hoover was known to have referred to Dillinger by name in the majority of his private correspondence to friends and family in the months leading up to Dillinger's death. After Dillinger was gunned down, Hoover maintained a macabre private museum of Dillinger artifacts including the gun, hat, pocket change and eye glasses that were found on the body that night in Chicago. For the rest of his life, Hoover would refer to these curios with great pride and obvious personal satisfaction.[citation needed]

During his brief stint in the navy, Dillinger was assigned to both the USS California and USS Nevada. Both ships were among those tied up at Battleship Row the morning of 7 December 1941 and fell victim to Japanese air attack. Others place him instead on the crew rosters of the USS Arizona and USS Oklahoma in the months before his desertion. There was no social security system then and there were numerous J. Dillingers in the fleet at that time so it is difficult to track his movements.

Sandy Jones and the John Dillinger Society purchased what is believed to be the 1933 Hudson Essex-Terraplane 8 that Dillinger and girlfriend Billie Frechette were driving when in a machine gun battle they narrowly escaped police. They had been hiding out under assumed names in a St. Paul, Minnesota apartment.

[edit] Tributes to Dillinger- Dillinger appears in the Kurt Vonnegut novel Timequake.

• Reggae DJ Lester Bullocks was nicknamed Dillinger in tribute of John Dillinger

• A mathcore band from New Jersey named The Dillinger Escape Plan was named after Dillinger. They have been dubbed the "Most Dangerous Band" by NME in honor of Dillinger.

• The punk rockband Dillinger Four.

• One of the pioneers and legacies of the drum and bass movement goes by the name of Dillinja as a tribute to the infamous criminal.

• A well known gang leader in Chicago who died in the early 80's was named Prince Toddy "Dillinger" Brewer R of the Simon City Royals. His nickname was a reference to the slain John Dillinger who also died in Chicago.

• Humphrey Bogart's big breakout role in film came through the portrayal of vicious fugitive gang leader Duke Mantee in The Petrified Forest, a character based on Dillinger down to the same haircut and black suit vest.

• The English band These Animal Men recorded a song entitled "You're Not My Babylon" which was about Dillinger's girlfriend Billie Frechette.[citation needed]

• Rap artist Daz Dillinger was dubbed the name Daz "Dillinger" by Tupac Shakur in reference to John Dillinger.

• In the film Reservoir Dogs, Joe Cabot states that Mr. Blue, one of the robbers, was "dead as Dillinger." Cabot is played by Lawrence Tierney, who also played the title role in the first "Dillinger" film, created in 1945 (and showing the character to be a murderous lunatic). Though Mr. Blue's fate is not shown in the film, in the video game of the same name, he is shot by the police in a movie theater as a nod to Dillinger's death.[citation needed]

• In addition to Tierney's 1945 version, the story was retold in 1973 by director/writer John Milius, with Warren Oates in the title role, Ben Johnson as Melvin Purvis, Richard Dreyfuss as a psychotic "Baby Face" Nelson, Harry Dean Stanton as Homer Van Meter, Michelle Phillips as Billie Frechette, Geoffrey Lewis as Harry Pierpont, Steve Kanaly as "Pretty Boy" Floyd, and Cloris Leachman as the infamous Anna Sage, aka the "Woman in Red". It presents the gang in a much more sympathetic light than the 1945 film, as was the norm in the anti-hero era after "Bonnie and Clyde" (1967).

• In 1974, during his first trip to America, artist Joseph Beuys paid tribute to John Dillinger by reenacting his death outside the Biograph Theatre.[citation needed]

• Beat Generation author William S. Burroughs dedicated his 1989 short story collection Tornado Alley to Dillinger "in hope that he is still alive."

• John Dillinger is one of the main characters in the series of science fiction books The Illuminatus! Trilogy, by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson, which plays off the rumor that Dillinger was not the man gunned down outside the Biograph. In the trilogy, Dillinger is depicted as having been present at the assassination of John F. Kennedy and aware of who really shot JFK. It is also revealed that the Dillinger of this work is not one man but five -- quintuplets, born before the Dionne Quintuplets.

• Stephen King wrote a short story called "The Death of Jack Hamilton", printed in Everything's Eventual: 14 Dark Tales, in which Dillinger is a main character.

• Dillinger appeared as one of the members of the "Jury of the Damned" in The Simpsons episode "Treehouse of Horror IV".

• "Dillinger" is the name of an upgrade weapon in the The Godfather game for PlayStation 2.

• A reference is made to John Dillinger's demise in the film High Fidelity starring John Cusack

• In a parody of Dillinger's escape with a phony gun, Woody Allen tries the same stunt in his 1971 movie, Take the Money and Run. He shapes a bar of soap into a gun, blackens it with shoe polish, and threatens the guards if they don't release him. But it is raining and his "weapon" turns into a handful of dirty soap suds.

• In the text-based RPG known as Colossal Cave Adventure, a poster appears in a brick building at the beginning with a public service announcement from the John Dillinger Died For You Society.

• There is a restaurant in Calumet Park,IL dubbed "Dillinger's," which is named after John Dillinger. They also have some photos and history of Dillinger posted throughout the restaurant.

• Johnny Depp will be playing Dillinger in the film adaptation of Bryan Burrough's book Public Enemies which will be directed by Michael Mann.

[edit] References1. ^ Sheriff Jess L. Sarber - at the Officer Down Memorial Page

1. ^ Patrolman William Patrick O'Malley - at the Officer Down Memorial Page
2. ^ a b DeBartolo, Anthony. "Dillinger's Dupes: Town Seeks to Preserve a Jail Yet Escape a Dastardly Deed" - at the Chicago Tribune (c/o Hyde Park Media) - November 4, 1988
3. ^ Toland, The Dillinger Days
4. ^ Special Agent W. Carter Baum - at the Officer Down Memorial Page
5. ^ May, Allan. with Marilyn Bardsley. "Biograph Encounter" Chapter 12 - "John Dillinger: Bank Robber or Robin Hood?" - at Crime Library
6. ^ Plume, Kenneth Interview with Harry Shearer (Conclusion)
7. ^ "Tall tales" - from Time Out Chicago - September 21, 2007

[edit] Further reading- Beverly, William. On the Lam: Narratives of Flight in J. Edgar Hoover's America. Jackson, Mississippi: University Press of Mississippi. 2003. ISBN 1578065372

• Burrough, Bryan. Public Enemies: America's Greatest Crime Wave and the Birth of the FBI, 1933-34. New York: Penguin Press. 2004. ISBN 1594200211
• DeBartolo, Anthony. "Dillinger's Dupes: Town Seeks To Preserve A Jail Yet Escape A Dastardly Deed" - at the Chicago Tribune.
• Headline: "Dillinger Slain in Chicago; Shot Dead by Federal Men in Front of Movie Theatre" - at the New York Times. - July 22, 1934.

[edit] External links- Famous Cases: John Dillinger - at the FBI

• * "John Dillinger: Bank Robber or Robin Hood?"* - at Crime Library - By Allan May with Marilyn Bardsley
• The little Bohemia Lodge - In Manitowish Waters Wisconsin.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dillinger"

Categories: All articles with unsourced statements | Articles with unsourced statements since April 2007 | American bank robbers | Depression-era gangsters | Robin Hood figures | People from Indianapolis, Indiana | People from Chicago | Deaths by firearm in the United States | Cause of death disputed | 1903 births | 1934 deaths | Evangelical and Reformed Americans

Ne'er heard of 'links'? ;P

I like to save the people the trouble!   After all, someone might cramp a finger by overclicking. ;=D
DPH

*After all, someone might cramp a finger by overclicking.

*Or cramp a finger using the scroll wheel on my mouse to get past it!! 

Make clothing for the male figures & people will bite your arms off to get at them. ;)

*What kind of Poser stuff could generate an income of $800.00 a month?

• A nice wide range of things relating to the most common genres you see here at rendo.
  Like sci-fi or fantasy. Making original eye catching stuff helps. 

While I texture vehicles and buildings - which sell OK - some folks have said thay can get more sales just from just 1 or 2 good characters. Making some quality freebies is also important as well. My last freebie has really helped sales as folks buy to say thanks.  

Sometimes though it's not just about money. I combined Poser and some greenscreen for a final year uni presenatation,and got 80%!! You can't buy a buzz like that. :) 
 

Quote - Make clothing for the male figures & people will bite your arms off to get at them. ;)

Well.. yes and no. People are constantly craving male clothing. But when it comes to buying it, they turn a lot more silent.

Still, IMO it's a better idea to find a sort of niche than to copy the topsellers' work. After all just how many lingerie sets and impractical armour does a girl need? (well apparently more than I would have thought but then I rarely render women in the first place LOL)

If you can model scenes, that's always something that's in demand. It may not sell a LOT but it'll sell steadily.

The old adage is true.... find a unique need and fill it.

Remember that in a gold rush it was the folks selling the shovels that made the real money not the miners.

Then apply those principles ten hours a day for five to ten years and you'll be good to go :) 

Quote - Then apply those principles ten hours a day for five to ten years and you'll be good to go :) 

Yep. Basically there is no "fast" way to make money in Poser unless you have some marketable talent. One doesn't just pick up a modelling program and churn out highly sellable models. It takes time to learn.  So far as texturing is concerned, pretty much anyone can texture once they have the basics of how to maneuver around their graphic program and figure out the texture template. But again, it takes lots of time and practice to turn out a "good" texture.

I also don't think there is much of a market for rendered poser art, at least not straight out of poser. In order to sell it you would need to do some really major post work so it doesn't look like you dressed up Barbie and pasted her on a 2D background. I'm not saying that's what you do, I'm just using that as an example of "typical" poser renders.  Now if you used Poser as a tool to get a basic form of a human and background in, and then did a great deal of post work such as what people like  Addy and Antje, ToxicAngel,  or Prog do, then you would probably have a market for some prints or even book and CD covers. Will you make 800 per month? Probably not for many years though.

You could also do what some others like OutlawbyDesign do, and that's make "Poser Tubes". Basically backgroundless images that can be used in card art or signature tags or other graphics, and charge a semi-yearly or yearly membership fee to access the content. Or sell CDs of content.  Again is it lucrative?  Probably not to the tune of $800.00.  Also there is the time required to build up a customer base. With heavy advertising you might see a number of people sign up in the first month or two, but after that it will dwindle until membership renewals come up.  And again, it's not an overnight success story either.  It will take time to get memberships, and you will also be competing with the hundreds of sites out there that offer pretty much the same stuff for free.

You could always buy a web building program like Front Page, and make web pages.  Of course you will have to make or buy websets to use. And learning Flash and Java Script would help loads to set your work apart from others who do a more simple style.  You won't earn the kind of money you are looking to make per month though. Depending on the quality of your work and the types of jobs you got, you might be able to bring in a few hundred dollars every now and again, but not consistently unless you dedicate several hours per day to doing it... like a job.

I remember you posting not too long ago about debt due to Poser buying. If you are living beyond your means right now and finding it hard to pay your monthly debts due to insufficient cash flow, you may want to consider some credit counselling and discuss what options are available to help you, be it refinancing to consolidate debt into one payment, contacting creditors to seek lower interest rates, or even bankruptcy if that is determined to be the best route.

Another option is to start up and run a brokerage site.

Team up with a reputable merchant. That's what I'm doing right now. Won't get you a lot of money at first, but it'll get you a reputation.

Oh, and gain a name for yourself releasing a couple of top quality freebies.

I reckon the easaiest way to make money with poser... is sell it... no repeat business... but instant fortune... no matter how small the price you get....LOL... just joking... all good advice given above. Just have to do time and get EXPOSURE!!!

Some merchants have actually spent years just releasing freebies before they started selling & it works well for them, svdl is going on my watch list right now ;)

Hi Drifterlee

I agree with everyone here about the Poser market.  The only thing I will add is don't limit yourself,  consider all the markets.  In the cg world there are 3 categories to the markets;  high end,  mid range,  and low end.  High end;  movies,  television, and video games.  Mid range;  medical, litigation, law enforcement, real estate, architects, engineers, and interior designers.  Low end;  brokerages. 

Each are important and each serve a purpose.  The most important aspect of the low end market is exposure.  So, you may want to consider the Sims and Second Life as well as Poser and Daz Studio.  Mid range is the biggest market and where you will make the most money.  I would suggest while you are creating your content for the Low end market,  start collecting names and addresses of potential clients in the Mid range market.  High end market, top paying but it is also the smallest market of the three.

BTW,  the going rate for mid range is $50.00 an hour multiplied by 1.5 to 2 for profit.  It's a big world out there and so few of us doing this,  don't undersell yourself when bidding work.

I hope this helps

Cheers

Pat

Quote - Make clothing for the male figures & people will bite your arms off to get at them. ;)

I hope that's the case, cause that's what I got in the pipeline...

Quote - Another option is to start up and run a brokerage site.

Aren't there too many of those as it is? 
I tend to have a hard time keeping up with 4-5 of the most popular ones. I thought maybe it's similar for most people?

i don't think becoming a top seller is as difficult as most people think. what you need is a couple of merchant resources and some basic knowledge with photoshop. turn a dozen of bodymorph-dials and a dozen for the head (do never forget 'LashesLength'!), zip it up and ready is your new v4-character set! you see, easy money! and when you sell your products here on renderosity you don't even have to worry about refunds. 'cause there are none! isn't that just cewl!!! hey, what are you waiting for? c'mon, make a quick buck! make us happy! sorry, guys, i couldn't resist....

On behalf of those looking for a career change or extra money for bills,  I have to say apology accepted.

Just remember - nothing ventured, nothing gained.  You can't win if you don't play.

Clichés, yes.  But true nonetheless.

Hey XENOPHONZ

Speaking of which,  want to beta test Plain Jane Low Poly? 

Acadia, I'm not the only one who buys too much Poser stuff, LOL! I guess I would be better off working at McDonald's from the sound of things. PhilC said, "Remember that in a gold rush it was the folks selling the shovels that made the real money not the miners." I think he is right!

And more cliché:

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Taken a bit less religiously, it means that many venture into these things not fully respecting the complexity into which they are wading.  We've all been there: "This is gonna be easy!" and then later realize how deep the pool is and that we haven't quite learned to swim.  So, here 'good intentions' are the desires and dedication to venture into a business and the road to hell is the eye-opening learning process wherein you realize how ill-prepared you were. ;)

As others have noted, you'll be far better served by starting off not with the 'make your big debut product to sell' but by honing your skills with freebies and working up to selling products.  Here you will learn all aspects of the game: efficiency, quality, QC, packaging, selling, advertising, customer support, and so on before making the big plunge.

Quote - Hey XENOPHONZ

Speaking of which,  want to beta test Plain Jane Low Poly? 

Sure, Pat -- whenever you are ready, my friend. 

Hi Drifterlee

Would you like to beta test Plain Jane Low Poly? 

Quote - And more cliché:

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Taken a bit less religiously, it means that many venture into these things not fully respecting the complexity into which they are wading.  We've all been there: "This is gonna be easy!" and then later realize how deep the pool is and that we haven't quite learned to swim.  So, here 'good intentions' are the desires and dedication to venture into a business and the road to hell is the eye-opening learning process wherein you realize how ill-prepared you were. ;)

As others have noted, you'll be far better served by starting off not with the 'make your big debut product to sell' but by honing your skills with freebies and working up to selling products.  Here you will learn all aspects of the game: efficiency, quality, QC, packaging, selling, advertising, customer support, and so on before making the big plunge.

Good advice, and well worth serious consideration before heading off into deep waters.  It's always a good idea to keep a level head about things -- but it's also well to remember that only a crazy person would even consider climbing the mountain.

But admittedly: climbing the mountain isn't for everyone to do: which can be a hard thing to accept.

Heh -- I love clichés:

*Look before you leap.  ::  He who hesitates is lost.
** *

If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. ::  Don't beat your head against a stone wall.

* *

Absence makes the heart grow fonder. ::  Out of sight, out of mind.

* *

Never put off till tomorrow what you can do today.  ::  Don't cross the bridge till you come to it.

* *

Two heads are better than one.  ::  Paddle your own canoe.

* *

Haste makes waste.  ::  Time waits for no man.

* *

You're never too old to learn.  ::  You can't teach an old dog new tricks.

* *

A word to the wise is sufficient.  ::  Talk is cheap.

* *

It's better to be safe than sorry.  ::  Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

* *

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.  ::  Beware of Greeks bearing gifts.

* *

Hitch your wagon to a star.  ::  Don't bite off more than you can chew.

* *

Many hands make light work.  ::  Too many cooks spoil the broth.

* *

Don't judge a book by its cover.  ::  Clothes make the man.

* *

The squeaking wheel gets the grease.  ::  Silence is golden.  ::  The nail that sticks up, gets hammered down.

*but it's also well to remember that only a crazy person would even consider climbing the mountain.

or like they thought in the 60's,  developing AI for computers. 

to make $800.00 a month in income you need to make $1200.00 in sales due to quarterly taxes.  As a self employed person you have to file quarterly not just once a year and you have to account for the taxes.

So $1200.00 a month for your cut is $2400.00 monthly sales. $20.00 product you would make $10.00 in sales and would have to sell to 120 customers.  That is month one.

It's month 2 and you've put your 2nd product in the store to make more sales.  Unfortunatly it's a flop and you've only sold to 20 customers for $400.00 in sales and your cut is $200.00 for the month (don't foreget the taxes) so you've pocketed $150.00 on this new product.

In month 2 your 1st product is in the store and is probably going to only sell a quater of that or to 30 customers. so now your $20.00 product made you $300.00 or $200 in your pocket and $100 for your taxes.

So 1st month ya made out and ya pocketed $800.00 and you covered taxes and everything.  In month 2 you had a problem and you only made $350.00 in your pocket.

Now all that is just surface stuff.  raw numbers.  most poser customers like to pay for things under $20.00 like $5.00 or $10.00 so ya would have to double the number of sales to get the same amount of money.

If your not good at texturing and you work with someone who is then your sharing the profits with them. etc.

Don't forget you have to have people testing for your product and there can be delays while your fixing things and your making new things all the time so your managing multiple products in different phases.  you have to market your products cause you want people seeing and buying all the time.  then there is that product you slaved over and are really proud of and the store rejects totally.

It products have no sales for a period of months here at Rendo the products get plonked out of the store.  So over the course of a year you may have great items in your store that are disapearing out of the store instead of having a shelf life and people coming and buying them.

being a poser merchant is usually thankless and a lot of hard work for little return.

Seriously you can make more money by working at Wal-Mart as a greeter for 20 hrs a week.

and the poser business is getting much more hard to make a buck as time goes on, lots of merchants have given up and moved on, some are still hanging in there struruggling.

oh yeah and the economy is going to take a hit here in the later half of the year and it's gunna hurt a lot of people.  sales will be hurting.

the poser merchant community doesn't like this stuff comeing out, lots of competition and merchants keep there sales numbers and number of customers close to the vest.  "everything is fine! No Really!" kind of atitude and there is fearse competition, backstabing, manipulations that go on.

If you do it cause you love it and are going to do it anyway, might as well try and make a buck here and there but as a full time career choice to make income, I'd seriously stear people away from the Poser hobbiest community.

I will go back to lurker mode now.

Quote - *but it's also well to remember that only a crazy person would even consider climbing the mountain.

or like they thought in the 60's,  developing AI for computers. 

Yeah -- I saw The Forbin Project many years ago.

It's OT to the thread -- but there are now some serious books / articles by various "experts" speculating over robots being the future perfect mates/companions for the lonely.........[[I'll take a pass]].  IIRC, there was a Night Gallery episode which dealt with the unfortunate consequences of such arrangements......in fact, there was an entire sub-genre of scifi short stories & TV show episodes about masters being killed & displaced by their pet robots.

((Some threads invite OT  ))

Machineclaw... that sounds much like just about any business LOL

On Topic:  when it comes to taxes, keep in mind that if you are using Poser and your PC to make a living, then you can start deducting your hardware/software costs as business expenses come tax time.  At least that's true in the US.

Make clothes with good topology and mapped properly. And lots of them. That'll get ya there.

Quite simple actually, but it has been said :

Find the "needs".

Everybody is blinded by the quality, high poly , RAM hungry stuff, that is so "needed" by the Poser artists.
The one, male or female, known or unknown, reputation or not, that sits back, slows down, looks from a distance, will have her-his eyes openend.

There is nothing for animaters.

E veryone  "forgets" the low to medium poly figures. Hair, dresses, pants, etc. . . etc. . . . characters. . .
But we all have a lots of comments as to why Poser slows down, crowls to a render, and is NOT suitable for animations.

Tony,
never bought a V, never will.
Free V3, went in the cleaner after 12 minutes.

Favorites? The P4 Lo-Res figures, males and females. (With lots of home made morphs).
Posette and Dork for high end work ( very rare, and also with a lot of homemade morphs)
But ; I have to make, build, texture, create etc. . .  everything by me and myself. 
Got some very "low"  reactions over here and there, so stopped posting for a while.

No one cares, no one listens.

Everytime I return to read; Yep, there they go again. Yet another zillion poly thing on the market. By-by. . .

Who is to blaim that Poser is soo slow?
Mine is blinding fast on an old single core with 2GB RAM.
Thanks for reading.

After:

4 years ago, yes, 4 years ago, there was a posting over here:

Do we yet need another V with a sword in a temple?
Not a lot has changed, just the numner behind the V.

The only one I know that makes a good living at it is Stonemason. Make props and interior sets. The market place is flooded with clothes gez, how many clothes can a person buy in one day? Make stuff that people will use more than once. It all looks the same to me when I browse I see NOTHING different that stands out for me to buy it.

Props are always in demand and simple things. Everything is sex and fantasy. Modern day props I would think would be in high demand. You need to standout from the crowd of fantasy crap that has flooded these sites.

I for one, do not buy sex and fantasy. I buy props and interiors to make scenes. No one makes 'SIMPLE' anymore it's always fantasy hi res. I agree there's nothing for us animator's. How many temples and vic's with swords can people make in a week? I bet they hardly sell.

How can someone even say, make clothes? I think there's too much and most are fugly, bra and panties skimpy things I wouldn't pay a dime for. Poorly made ones at that.

Quote - On Topic:  when it comes to taxes, keep in mind that if you are using Poser and your PC to make a living, then you can start deducting your hardware/software costs as business expenses come tax time.  At least that's true in the US.

A bit Off Topic: I wish we'd move over to VAT or the Fair/Flat tax.  Taxes are complicated - even with software and electronic filing.  The only people who benefit from this complexity and the tax structure are rich people and big business (erm, because they can afford to pay someone to do their taxes FOR them).  Or, if you're Wesley Snipes, you can just circumvent the entire 'paying taxes' issue... ;)

Sure -- I'd love to see a flat tax implemented.  Russia's done it -- in fact, many other countries have gone that way, too.  So on that point we agree 100%.

But the reasons for the monstrosity of the current tax system are inverted from what you've said: it isn't "the rich" who are responsible for this mess, they merely take advantage of it as they can.  But the underlying responsibility for the all-devouring tax code lies squarely with the Congress and with the government bureaucracies.  They derive a LOT of their power over people via the current tax system: because it allows them to reward groups of people that they like (re: people that they wish to buy off votes/contributions from) -- and it allows them to punish groups of people that they don't like, or that they regard as non-factors in their political calculations.  It's a big help, politically speaking, to be able to confiscate money from a politically unpopular group (smokers, "the rich", big corporations) in order to dole the confiscated money back out to those whom you want to vote for you.

The vast majority of taxes are paid by people who are in the top 25% of income earners.  There aren't nearly as many rich people as there are those who aren't rich -- or who depend upon government largess in order to meet their personal needs.

It's a simple formula: the more people who are dependent upon the government, then the more power & control that those in government have over people's lives.  Plus the more support that the government power structure can expect to receive from its dependents.

The current tax system in the US won't change easily, or soon.  It supports the power structure in Washington far too strongly for any of the members of the power structure to even consider doing something so ridiculous as switching over to a simple flat tax.  Right now, the advantages to the power elite are simply too great for them to loosen their hold on our labor that way.

It'll likely take something on the order of an absolute economic catastrophe to change the minds of Congress on the subject -- sort of like what happened in Russia.

So no -- most of "the rich" would be perfectly happy to see the current tax system replaced by something that made sense.  But most of the sort of politicians who are currently running the show don't want to lose one of their greatest & best means of continuing to run the show.

So as not to post your entire reply: I agree 100%. ;)  Yes, it wasn't the rich/businesses who caused the mess.  It was obviously the government and its nearly autonomous IRS (which should be dissolved asap).  There are many that feel that the act that created revenue taxation was un-Constitutional to begin with - and on some of the same principles you mentioned (such as giving the government too much control and autonomy separate from the people - we the people).

It'd be hard to implement a flat tax in the US mainly because since the upper class pays so much, in order to make it fair the lower classes could see a big jump in taxes.  Last I heard the top 5-10% pays more than 50% of all taxes or something like that.  Plus you'd have trouble keeping it flat because everyone would want deductions that uneven it or say the rich aren't paying their fair share (even though everyone technically be paying at the same rate).

Quote - There are many that feel that the act that created revenue taxation was un-Constitutional to begin with

Unfortunately the government has the right to tax and a constitutional amendment to lay an income tax.  It was only supposed to be 1% originally...

To the OP: if you really are serious and really good at making things, consider starting a business as businesses have some tax rules that are easier than a single individual.  You might not save a lot and it could be more hassle than it's worth but you could at least look in to it and see if it is the correct option for you.

Quote - So as not to post your entire reply: I agree 100%. ;)  Yes, it wasn't the rich/businesses who caused the mess.  It was obviously the government and its nearly autonomous IRS (which should be dissolved asap).  There are many that feel that the act that created revenue taxation was un-Constitutional to begin with - and on some of the same principles you mentioned (such as giving the government too much control and autonomy separate from the people - we the people).

We agree.

I believe that everyone needs to abide by the law regarding taxes as it currently stands.  But I also believe that we need to fight to change that law, as difficult and as unpopular with many as a fight like that is going to be.......unpopular with many who have their hand in the till.

Business owners, of all people, know just how tough the current tax system makes things.......and I fear that it's going to get worse before (if) it ever gets better.  So long as enough people are willing to trade their personal liberty in exchange for an illusion of personal security & personal ease -- then those same people are perfectly willing to enter into a mephistophelian bargain with their favorite Congressman.

The price, of course, of such a bargain being the soul of a nation.

Wow such doom and gloom. I think I'll head to the Poser fallout shelter.  Before I do...

Hi Vilters

I'm developing a low poly figure for Poser.  She's 9912 polys.  Would you like to beta test her?

Hi Everyone

AI is a computer program.  Sentient computer is sci fi.  That being said,  in the 60's the people at MIT developed the first AI program.  One of the tasks the team had in developing the program was object recognition.  They acheived their goal even to the point that the program could recognize objects like Necker's cube.  How does this apply to us?  Our 3d programs trace their roots to that first program.

Now,  how does this apply to the topic.  After a few posts that I considered discouraging,  I wanted to give Drifterlee the example of AI developement as encouragement.  The above team were " in deep waters and on the good intention paved road to hell" yet look what came from their perseverance. 

Cheers
 
Pat

Quote -
Still, IMO it's a better idea to find a sort of niche than to copy the topsellers' work.

I agree,the only way I can see to be succesful doing this is to find your own niche..& develop your own style,do something no one else is doing & do it well

all the top sellers I know of have a very distinct style,you can generaly spot a BH morph,an aery soul outfit,a dark whisper toon or a stonemason sci-fi texture before seeing who made it.
copying the style of one of the top sellers is the worst thing you can do..find a niche & make it your own.

a top selling item could earn you 800$ in a couple hours

That's very true. I would think it would be hard to copy someone. I've tried in my art as an experiment and it does not work. I have my own style.

Quote - The only one I know that makes a good living at it is Stonemason. Make props and interior sets. The market place is flooded with clothes gez, how many clothes can a person buy in one day? Make stuff that people will use more than once. It all looks the same to me when I browse I see NOTHING different that stands out for me to buy it.

Props are always in demand and simple things. Everything is sex and fantasy. Modern day props I would think would be in high demand. You need to standout from the crowd of fantasy crap that has flooded these sites.

I for one, do not buy sex and fantasy. I buy props and interiors to make scenes. No one makes 'SIMPLE' anymore it's always fantasy hi res. I agree there's nothing for us animator's. How many temples and vic's with swords can people make in a week? I bet they hardly sell.

How can someone even say, make clothes? I think there's too much and most are fugly, bra and panties skimpy things I wouldn't pay a dime for. Poorly made ones at that.

Exactly, properly made stuff I mean. Props are available all over the place in model libraries for free. Interiors are basically jazzed-up cubes.

Many props makers fail in the texture department. Brick is not perfect. It is discolored from the weather, age, dirt and so on. Perfect red brick looks fake, IMHO.

It's a little known fact about John Dillinger that he was a fantastic Poser and Photoshop artist, who wanted to become a merchant of high quality 3D products.  But the problem was computers, Poser, Photoshop and 3D products were not yet invented, so he had to turn to a life of crime.

What a waste.