Quote - I suppose I'd better start crediting Rotring, Windsor and Newton, Daler, Faber-Castell, Staedtler-Mars, Mecanorma etc in my "traditional" stuff, then. :biggrin:

LOLOL :lol:

On a serious note....people often do want to know the medium something was done on.

3D work by folks like stonemason screams "Stefan made me!!!!!!!", regardless of whose image it appears in -- and regardless of whether it's credited or not.  Or at least it does to anyone who isn't completely new at this game.

As in many other things, I prefer to leave the option as to whether to credit or not to credit entirely up to the individual user.  When it comes to Poser items, crediting is a fine courtesy, and I'm personally inclined to do it -- but it isn't a requirement.  To cover all credits, I'd have to credit DAZ and/or Smith Micro in every image that I made.

With high end 3D apps, it's clearly a different standard involved.  I wouldn't think of sticking V4 in a scene, renderiing it up in Lightwave, and then posting the image at CG Society or on Newtek's boards.......except perhaps in an archviz image, where the human figures were providing nothing but background filler.  And then I'd be dead certain to point out where the human "filler" came from.

However, if the work is being done for purely commercial purposes -- then that's a different standard, too.  Most commercial clients couldn't care less whether or not the work was 100% your own, so long as you didn't use anything that you didn't have a commercial license to use.  In my observation, the majority of commercial clients are a lot more concerned about meeting deadlines than they are about artistic purity.  In fact: the quicker, the better.  Pre-made content can often be the necessary time solution in such situations.

But in the galleries here -- especially when we are talking about pure hobbyist's work -- I say leave the choice over whether to credit or not to credit up to the individual.  In such a case: I won't apply my personal rules to them.

Just one last thought on giving credits, then I‘ll stop my ramblings.

Say you buy some music (CD, download MP3’s, I-pods stuff, ect) you now have some rights to that music. You now can play it on your stereo (as loud as the neighbors can stand), listen to it through headphone/ear buds (until your ears bleed), use it as background for a quiet dinner party or crank it for a “PARTY!” (as long as the neighbors don’t complain). But what if you use it as background music for a video or animation that you created? There shouldn’t be any problem if you doing it for your self. And it might be alright if it is just for close friends and family to enjoy. You could even get away with it if it is just for that dinner or “PARTY!”. At some point the crowd could get big enough or you might think of some sort of distributing to some mass market, then you’ll need to approach the artist get the artist permission to use that music. At that point you may end up paying the artist even more money for something you already paid for.

I don’t know - does it apply here? Does it apply to 3d? Does it apply to art in general? How? Or why not?

Thanks for letting me ramble. It’s been a good discussion. J

Quote - Just one last thought on giving credits, then I‘ll stop my ramblings.

Say you buy some music (CD, download MP3’s, I-pods stuff, ect) you now have some rights to that music. You now can play it on your stereo (as loud as the neighbors can stand), listen to it through headphone/ear buds (until your ears bleed), use it as background for a quiet dinner party or crank it for a “PARTY!” (as long as the neighbors don’t complain). But what if you use it as background music for a video or animation that you created? There shouldn’t be any problem if you doing it for your self. And it might be alright if it is just for close friends and family to enjoy. You could even get away with it if it is just for that dinner or “PARTY!”. At some point the crowd could get big enough or you might think of some sort of distributing to some mass market, then you’ll need to approach the artist get the artist permission to use that music. At that point you may end up paying the artist even more money for something you already paid for.

I don’t know - does it apply here? Does it apply to 3d? Does it apply to art in general? How? Or why not?

Thanks for letting me ramble. It’s been a good discussion. J

Nope, it doesn't apply to 3D content bought here.  Freestuff varies from piece to piece, however.  Back to the bought stuff from here...

The license grants you very specific rights to use the content in commercial or non-commercial work.  The restrictions are outlined in the license but by and large, you can make images and sell them to anyone for as much as you like without further ado.

Other sites have different licenses which may have other restrictions.  SanctumArt, for example, does not allow its prodicts to be used for commercial logos.  DAZ sometimes has specific restrictions attached to certain products.  The Anne Marie Goddard character for V3, to name one, is not allowed to be used in pornographic images.

The 3d content purchased for use in Poser is generally (though not always) licensed for use in commercial or creative endeavors with no obligation for credits or accolades by the consumer. If producers of 3d content wished, they could make credits an obligation, but this is not the common practice for it would hurt sells: end of legal/moral necessity. For informational purposes, politeness, in the interests of moral fastidiousness a user may voluntarily credit any or all commercial products, up to and including the hundreds who labored to make the software and computer possible. Furthermore, in most instances, a user is free to credit nothing at all, including the content that he or she actually created.

*For informational purposes, politeness, in the interests of moral fastidiousness a user may voluntarily credit any or all commercial products, up to and including the hundreds who labored to make the software and computer possible.

Hey, you forgot my chair and the power company :tt2:*

And the barley and hops....

We are standing on the shoulders of giants, or perhaps accruing to a proverbial tower of coral like the polyps we are.

Eh, if I ever do something outside of the hobby/Poser world, I will give credit where credit is due.

But, here at Renderosity anyone who would mistake my most recent image of V3 in a temple with a sword for being entirely my own creation is a fool and I have neither the time nor the patience to deal with them.

I feel the same way about them as I feel about Christians:  Let them believe as they wish if it makes them happy.

Sorry, feeling cynical and bitter tonight.

And, moonwatcher, it cannot be compared to a bibliography.  The closest comparison I can think of is Movie or TV credits and being someone who works in that industry I can tell you the rule is:  "credits at producer's discretion".  It is on all the deal memos (industry lingo for contracts).

Movies generally will list damn near everyone, but TV has such a short time for credits they only list half to a third of the crew.  Many hard working people get left out, but they recieved their cheques and can still claim it on their resumes.  In the end this is what matters.

(Oh, and by "fools", I don't mean people who want to learn... I'm glad to help anyone I can...)