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Subject: Wierd EULA for 3D figures.....


sixus1 ( ) posted Thu, 10 April 2008 at 4:46 PM · edited Tue, 05 November 2024 at 5:12 PM

Found it at a site through a link at my gmail account.  Seemed all normal until I got to this part:

You are not allowed to use the human models or images in any context which could be violating the model's human rights, be violating the models sanctity of private life, be unlawful purpose, be pornographic or be sex, tobacco, alcohol, drugs, mental or physical illness related. In unclear cases you should contact the Company to verify the validity of the license.

If this was a Poser or D|S EULA....it would never fly...I mean I totally violate my 3D models human rights on a regular basis.  ;p

--Rebekah--


ockham ( ) posted Thu, 10 April 2008 at 4:58 PM

Please tell us the company, so we can avoid it like the plague!

Also: Was the model provided unclothed?  In that case the company is
violating its own EULA from the get-go!

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sixus1 ( ) posted Thu, 10 April 2008 at 5:03 PM

Attached Link: lowpolygon3d.com

Here's the link.....you twisted my arm.  :p


ockham ( ) posted Thu, 10 April 2008 at 5:11 PM
ockham ( ) posted Thu, 10 April 2008 at 5:14 PM

The "physical illness" part is the weirdest and silliest.  Means I couldn't
use their models for my anatomy study guides, even fully clothed, because
they would be demonstrating various speech or hearing problems........

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geoegress ( ) posted Thu, 10 April 2008 at 6:10 PM

I saw one freebee over at fairywylde last week for a  background pack that had in it's eula that "you can not just slap a poser figure or png on it and post it online" or some such dip ship stuff.

This ahole put himself up as the JUDGE of what is and isn't art.

And the BG's wern't even very good!


mrsparky ( ) posted Thu, 10 April 2008 at 6:38 PM

I'm going to change my EULA's to insist artists only depict scenes where characters get neeked, mashed, and smoke 60 a day :)

 

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ockham ( ) posted Thu, 10 April 2008 at 6:47 PM

That's more like it!

Seriously, it's hard to imagine any art, even in Norman Rockwell's nice
world, that doesn't involve some combination of their prohibitions.

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Conniekat8 ( ) posted Thu, 10 April 2008 at 6:57 PM · edited Thu, 10 April 2008 at 6:59 PM

They probably put that limit on because lot of the images are pretty recognizeable photos/likenesses of real people, so they have to cover their bums in case any of the content is used in a way that may be potentially defamatory to those real people.

Imagine if instead of clay rendering of James on Web MD, it was a 3D model with a texture and likeness of a real person. All of a sudden that person's image may start getting associated with the 'That sickly guy from Web MD'.

The site pretty narrowly defines that their product is for use in architectural visualizations. That implies people's images and likenesses will be used in neutral friendly everyday public situations.

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pjz99 ( ) posted Thu, 10 April 2008 at 7:49 PM

No one makes you use their content, how are they "aholes" for being any variety of restrictive in how it's used?  Don't like it, don't buy it.

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SamTherapy ( ) posted Thu, 10 April 2008 at 8:19 PM

Well, well, welly well...

A creator has the absolute right to state what is and what ain't acceptable use.  The simplest thing is to pass them by if you don't agree with the EULA.  Not much point in bitching about it.  Just don't use it.  Ain't too hard of a concept, is it?

Which is pretty much what pjz99 said,   And it's a standpoint I endorse 100% :) 

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pakled ( ) posted Thu, 10 April 2008 at 8:54 PM

there's been any number of things I haven't downloaded after reading the EULA...

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

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Miss Nancy ( ) posted Thu, 10 April 2008 at 10:05 PM

so does that mean if one buys the soccer team for $699, one can't do animations of them
giving each other right good tolchocks in the yarblockos?



jeffg3 ( ) posted Thu, 10 April 2008 at 10:19 PM · edited Thu, 10 April 2008 at 10:19 PM

Paste a new texture on them and, voilà! problem solved.


SamTherapy ( ) posted Thu, 10 April 2008 at 11:10 PM

Quote - so does that mean if one buys the soccer team for $699, one can't do animations of them
giving each other right good tolchocks in the yarblockos?

I'm glad somebody's awake.  :)

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sixus1 ( ) posted Fri, 11 April 2008 at 11:42 AM

I just thought that the EULA was quite a contrast to the EULAs that the Poser community is used to....and if someone tried to be that restrictive that they wouldn't sell or even be able to give anything away.   

--Rebekah--


MikeNTexas ( ) posted Fri, 11 April 2008 at 1:53 PM

This does bring up a question of just how far can EULAs go.  Can the really go as far as to limit your free speech in all matters.  Can a EULA state that ther figure cannot be used showing mixed race marriages or dating?  That it not be used with any reference to a particular politcal party?  Can they go so far as to say who can use it.  Can a EULA state that you must be of a Christian faith to use it at all or maybe be opposed to Christian religions to use it.  Or you cannot be be of a given race to use it.  I can go on but you can see the point of what I am getting at.


mrsparky ( ) posted Fri, 11 April 2008 at 2:18 PM

*but you can see the point of what I am getting at.
*I can and yes it could go too far.

.. you must be of a Christian faith to use it at all or maybe be opposed to Christian religions?

Ages back there was a cross prop here in freestuff where the readme stated it could only be used for 'churchy' things, nothing 'satanic'.  

so who decides end useage -artist or creator? is it different if the item is free or you pay for it ?  

Pinky - you left the lens cap of your mind on again.



AntoniaTiger ( ) posted Sun, 13 April 2008 at 7:47 AM

I thin DAZ might still sell their Anne-Marie Goddard model, whoever she is. There were a few extra restrictions on that, and the one I remember was that the purchaser couldn't use the model in a way that suggested an endorsement of a product. Which is fair enough: the real person might make an exclusive deal to appear in advertising, and wouldn't want a rival to slip over to DAZ and set out to confuse people. And if I were the prototype for a Poser model I'm not sure I'd want the Renderotica mob to have free reign with my shapely form.


Daymond42 ( ) posted Sun, 13 April 2008 at 9:24 AM

Just imagine if someone were to make an L. Ron Hubbard model. I'd love to see the EULA for that one.. :)

Just a random thought.

 

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SeanMartin ( ) posted Sun, 13 April 2008 at 10:06 AM

>> Just imagine if someone were to make an L. Ron Hubbard model.

Okay, I've seen photos of L. Ron Hubbard.

Ewwwwwwwwwwwwww.

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Daymond42 ( ) posted Sun, 13 April 2008 at 10:18 AM

Well, I know a 3d model perfectly able to create such an ewwwwwww-worthy face....

DinaV, baby. :)

 

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Joe@HFG ( ) posted Sun, 13 April 2008 at 10:27 PM

Ah... Shades of  the days of Evil Column.

There was this... Eh hem.... Gentleman... who made a "free" Doric Column with the restriction that is should not be used under terms he felt morally wrong.

So I made and "Evil Column" from scratch, and ran a contest for who could make the most evil render with it.

You see... that's the beauty of a free market. You can make any asinine restrictions you want, and I can make a competing product that has fewer restriction.

I guess I have to make a Gay Masochistic soccer team.

No problem actually ...

I'm almost done with a 2600 Poly  figure I call Reslo that will take M3 Poses and textures. So just make a suitable second skin for M3 and you can torture as many Reslos as you can fit in a scene. About 25 to of them will equal the poly count of single M3. Just meed to finish working on the morphs and he'll be ready to suffer the pangs of any hell.

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noun, plural mo·nop·o·lies.
1. exclusive control of a commodity or service in a particular market,
or a control that makes possible the manipulation of prices


aeilkema ( ) posted Mon, 14 April 2008 at 4:08 AM

That's the best EULA I've ever seen, I really wish parts of it would be enforced to Poser models also.

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Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
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SeanMartin ( ) posted Mon, 14 April 2008 at 4:19 AM

Quote - Here's the link.....you twisted my arm.  :p

Can the 3D people there sue their creator for inflicting them with bad fashion sense? Surely that's a violation of their virtually human rights...

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ThrommArcadia ( ) posted Mon, 14 April 2008 at 4:33 AM

Very amusing EULA.  Makes sense, and I understand what pjz99 and SamTherapy are saying.  It's just a reminder that it is always good to read the EULA before embarking on your artistic journey.

Imagine if Aiko had a clause in her EULA that said "Fairy images strictly prohibited!"

Am I the only one who finds this amusing?  <tap, tap> Hello?  Is this thing on?

Joe@HFG, your 2600 poly model sounds very useful (and protentially used...)  Will it be for sale anyhere anytime soon?  Great for mass battle or crowd scenes, especially in animations!


pjz99 ( ) posted Mon, 14 April 2008 at 5:31 AM

Quote - This does bring up a question of just how far can EULAs go.  Can the really go as far as to limit your free speech in all matters.  Can a EULA state that ther figure cannot be used showing mixed race marriages or dating?  That it not be used with any reference to a particular politcal party?  Can they go so far as to say who can use it.  Can a EULA state that you must be of a Christian faith to use it at all or maybe be opposed to Christian religions to use it.  Or you cannot be be of a given race to use it.  I can go on but you can see the point of what I am getting at.

Yes, to all counts.  If you cannot agree to the End User License Agreement, then you cannot in good faith buy the product, because your agreement with the license is required.  It's not like they're holding a gun to your head saying "Goddamn you, agree to this license or I'll air your brains out ya punk!"

If a license states that it requires you to be gay, and Wiccan, and Samoan, and to be covered in bright flourescent green body hair, and to have a tattoo of Donald Duck on your left butt cheek in order to use the product, then if you cannot meet those requirements, morally you should not buy that product.  Contract law is very old, very hammered out, and "free speech" is not a counter to it.

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Joe@HFG ( ) posted Mon, 14 April 2008 at 7:49 AM

ThrommArcadia wrote:> Quote - Joe@HFG, your 2600 poly model sounds very useful (and protentially used...)  Will it be for sale anyhere anytime soon?  Great for mass battle or crowd scenes, especially in animations!

Thanks for the interest.

Development got stalled while I worked on another project that will be done this week., but I'm hoping to submit Reslo to DAZ by the end of May.

Here's a thread from last year showing some comparison between Reslo, M3 and RRM3.
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php

I'm hoping to finagle them into offering a couple of different license options for the same figure.

There will be a standard Poser license like any other Daz Figure, but I hope to offer 2 different developer license for around $50 each. One for using Reslo as a base figure to model from, and another for use in Video Game engines and other Real Time environments.

The last option is the most exciting because it opens up a market stream for all the unimesh texture developers to allow licensing of their textures for video game work.

Got an old V3 or M3 texture you've retired, here's a new market for you with no additional work required by you.

Getting back on topic, it's still a lot more reasonable than this other EULA.

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3-DArena ( ) posted Wed, 16 April 2008 at 7:56 AM

"physical illness" so no rendering in a wheelchair or hospital bed? 

WOW! that kind of boggles the mind...


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