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Please tell us the company, so we can avoid it like the plague!
Also: Was the model provided unclothed? In that case the company is
violating its own EULA from the get-go!
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The "physical illness" part is the weirdest and silliest. Means I couldn't
use their models for my anatomy study guides, even fully clothed, because
they would be demonstrating various speech or hearing problems........
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That's more like it!
Seriously, it's hard to imagine any art, even in Norman Rockwell's nice
world, that doesn't involve some combination of their prohibitions.
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They probably put that limit on because lot of the images are pretty recognizeable photos/likenesses of real people, so they have to cover their bums in case any of the content is used in a way that may be potentially defamatory to those real people.
Imagine if instead of clay rendering of James on Web MD, it was a 3D model with a texture and likeness of a real person. All of a sudden that person's image may start getting associated with the 'That sickly guy from Web MD'.
The site pretty narrowly defines that their product is for use in architectural visualizations. That implies people's images and likenesses will be used in neutral friendly everyday public situations.
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No one makes you use their content, how are they "aholes" for being any variety of restrictive in how it's used? Don't like it, don't buy it.
Well, well, welly well...
A creator has the absolute right to state what is and what ain't acceptable use. The simplest thing is to pass them by if you don't agree with the EULA. Not much point in bitching about it. Just don't use it. Ain't too hard of a concept, is it?
Which is pretty much what pjz99 said, And it's a standpoint I endorse 100% :)
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Quote - so does that mean if one buys the soccer team for $699, one can't do animations of them
giving each other right good tolchocks in the yarblockos?
I'm glad somebody's awake. :)
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This does bring up a question of just how far can EULAs go. Can the really go as far as to limit your free speech in all matters. Can a EULA state that ther figure cannot be used showing mixed race marriages or dating? That it not be used with any reference to a particular politcal party? Can they go so far as to say who can use it. Can a EULA state that you must be of a Christian faith to use it at all or maybe be opposed to Christian religions to use it. Or you cannot be be of a given race to use it. I can go on but you can see the point of what I am getting at.
*but you can see the point of what I am getting at.
*I can and yes it could go too far.
.. you must be of a Christian faith to use it at all or maybe be opposed to Christian religions?
Ages back there was a cross prop here in freestuff where the readme stated it could only be used for 'churchy' things, nothing 'satanic'.
so who decides end useage -artist or creator? is it different if the item is free or you pay for it ?
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I thin DAZ might still sell their Anne-Marie Goddard model, whoever she is. There were a few extra restrictions on that, and the one I remember was that the purchaser couldn't use the model in a way that suggested an endorsement of a product. Which is fair enough: the real person might make an exclusive deal to appear in advertising, and wouldn't want a rival to slip over to DAZ and set out to confuse people. And if I were the prototype for a Poser model I'm not sure I'd want the Renderotica mob to have free reign with my shapely form.
>> Just imagine if someone were to make an L. Ron Hubbard model.
Okay, I've seen photos of L. Ron Hubbard.
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwww.
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Ah... Shades of the days of Evil Column.
There was this... Eh hem.... Gentleman... who made a "free" Doric Column with the restriction that is should not be used under terms he felt morally wrong.
So I made and "Evil Column" from scratch, and ran a contest for who could make the most evil render with it.
You see... that's the beauty of a free market. You can make any asinine restrictions you want, and I can make a competing product that has fewer restriction.
I guess I have to make a Gay Masochistic soccer team.
No problem actually ...
I'm almost done with a 2600 Poly figure I call Reslo that will take M3 Poses and textures. So just make a suitable second skin for M3 and you can torture as many Reslos as you can fit in a scene. About 25 to of them will equal the poly count of single M3. Just meed to finish working on the morphs and he'll be ready to suffer the pangs of any hell.
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That's the best EULA I've ever seen, I really wish parts of it would be enforced to Poser models also.
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Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(
Food for thought.....
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Can the 3D people there sue their creator for inflicting them with bad fashion sense? Surely that's a violation of their virtually human rights...
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Very amusing EULA. Makes sense, and I understand what pjz99 and SamTherapy are saying. It's just a reminder that it is always good to read the EULA before embarking on your artistic journey.
Imagine if Aiko had a clause in her EULA that said "Fairy images strictly prohibited!"
Am I the only one who finds this amusing? <tap, tap> Hello? Is this thing on?
Joe@HFG, your 2600 poly model sounds very useful (and protentially used...) Will it be for sale anyhere anytime soon? Great for mass battle or crowd scenes, especially in animations!
Quote - This does bring up a question of just how far can EULAs go. Can the really go as far as to limit your free speech in all matters. Can a EULA state that ther figure cannot be used showing mixed race marriages or dating? That it not be used with any reference to a particular politcal party? Can they go so far as to say who can use it. Can a EULA state that you must be of a Christian faith to use it at all or maybe be opposed to Christian religions to use it. Or you cannot be be of a given race to use it. I can go on but you can see the point of what I am getting at.
Yes, to all counts. If you cannot agree to the End User License Agreement, then you cannot in good faith buy the product, because your agreement with the license is required. It's not like they're holding a gun to your head saying "Goddamn you, agree to this license or I'll air your brains out ya punk!"
If a license states that it requires you to be gay, and Wiccan, and Samoan, and to be covered in bright flourescent green body hair, and to have a tattoo of Donald Duck on your left butt cheek in order to use the product, then if you cannot meet those requirements, morally you should not buy that product. Contract law is very old, very hammered out, and "free speech" is not a counter to it.
ThrommArcadia wrote:> Quote - Joe@HFG, your 2600 poly model sounds very useful (and protentially used...) Will it be for sale anyhere anytime soon? Great for mass battle or crowd scenes, especially in animations!
Thanks for the interest.
Development got stalled while I worked on another project that will be done this week., but I'm hoping to submit Reslo to DAZ by the end of May.
Here's a thread from last year showing some comparison between Reslo, M3 and RRM3.
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php
I'm hoping to finagle them into offering a couple of different license options for the same figure.
There will be a standard Poser license like any other Daz Figure, but I hope to offer 2 different developer license for around $50 each. One for using Reslo as a base figure to model from, and another for use in Video Game engines and other Real Time environments.
The last option is the most exciting because it opens up a market stream for all the unimesh texture developers to allow licensing of their textures for video game work.
Got an old V3 or M3 texture you've retired, here's a new market for you with no additional work required by you.
Getting back on topic, it's still a lot more reasonable than this other EULA.
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Found it at a site through a link at my gmail account. Seemed all normal until I got to this part:
You are not allowed to use the human models or images in any context which could be violating the model's human rights, be violating the models sanctity of private life, be unlawful purpose, be pornographic or be sex, tobacco, alcohol, drugs, mental or physical illness related. In unclear cases you should contact the Company to verify the validity of the license.
If this was a Poser or D|S EULA....it would never fly...I mean I totally violate my 3D models human rights on a regular basis. ;p
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