I recently posted my first item to the Renderosity store. It was a set of 33 hand poses for Vicky and I was charging $10 for them. After a few hours it was removed. I don't see how anyone but me can own the poses that my hand can make. The way I made the poses was by copying the poses my hand can bend to. I am in dispute trying to get them reposted so that you can enjoy them. Thank you. jerr3d

jerr3d, I didn't understand this either. I added the hand pose set to my shopping basket and when I went back the next day to complete the order, it said "copyright concern". Please let me know what the story is on this, because it looked like a very good set. Thanks, Doc

I have chatted with Jerr privately for months now and do not believe he would copy anything, he is very talented with poser animation and wouldnt need too in my opinion. I hope it is resoloved quickly for you Jerr.

All I can say is ask someone from the store :(

Set up a Paypal account and sell them direct.

It might be the way the files were set up. You have to be careful how you save things from Poser. It can be very confusing how to distribute your work with all the new ways and requirements with the new Vicki2 and all.

Actually my first assumption was that it had to do with Vicky2. But that is not it. Someone else thought some of my hand poses looked too much like some of theirs. But my poses are based on my hand, and nothing else. So again I am asking, "Who owns my hand?"

It would seem a no brainer that if some one pulled the item from the store that a reason needs to be given that means something. Good luck.

I think some copyright concerns may be getting out of hand. (sorry) :) If someone includes, say, an 'OK' pose for the hand in his set, and you include one in yours, some people would say you violated the first person's copyright. But this is true ONLY if you copied his file. You can copyright your pose files, but you can't copyright the positions a hand or body can take, for goodness sakes! That's like saying if someone puts a Zero in the store, then I can't. This isn't true either. You can copyright the mesh, but Mitsubushi holds the Zero copyright, or did once. :) Luck now. ^_- Greywolf

Did anyone read the one about Bill Gates owning the copyright to 1 and 0, so that anything done with computer was a derivative work from his original?

I really HOPE you're not serious about that!

If it were true, I'm sure we would be using MS Poser, reading threads on MSerosity.com and such.

You own your hands. But you can't keep me from bending my hand anyway I want - even if it looks the same way as you bend yours. If you think about it Poses are not really copyrightable. Otherwise why would anyone own poser - pretty soon you wouldn't be able to make a move without infringing on someones copyright! However a "set" of poses may arguably protected in the market place. Conversely just because a pose may not be copyrightable does not mean that you cannot sell it. Just as you can sell anything in the public domain - you just cannot claim exclusive rights to sell it. Lots of people have made lots of money selling things legally that are not copyrightable. If I needed hand poses, I'd buy your poses in a heartbeat - not out of fear of copyright violation, but because it's time consuming and difficult to make good poses.

hey that is a good question...and as things go good questions usually have been asked before. Have you tried to look at the copyright law sites? there are some things that cannot be copyrited, a list of city names is a compilation, which is composed of not copyrightable information that is compiled in a unique way, like say your phone book...someone gets tripped up when they copy word for word, to catch this there are often fake names that are put the list. A book on vitamins is not going to be a violation of copyright, there are only so many ways one can describe vitamins, there is standardized ways of doing a lot of things which, unless there is a unique idea some things just are there for everyone to copy.... if this was not true we would not have poser dudes and dudettes...which are basically copies of human body forms...which forms maybe bent in creative ways but the shape of a human being in general can be copied and is. So as far as the original question is concerned I am curious to see how those that makes those decisions in the store end up deciding this....:-)

Oh - well - always those copyright - problems ... I hope noone ever has the idea to copyright each number of a dial ... then we're all doomed ... or copyright (e.g. a box or a circle ... etc) Hey - those are just hands !!! and if they are not EXACTLY in the same values just stolen why shouldn't you sell them then ... ?? Am I now doomed if I use a hand of mine that might have equal values from a hand that anybody is selling ... Oh - come down ... and please - you store - check this carefully ... just a few thoughts ...

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I don't like having to deal with copyright issues. The info I get is usually not black and white, but what I call "shades of gray". Regardless of my personal opinions, I do have to follow our copyright policy and procedures that we created in accordance ot the US copyright laws. Copyright issues come up all the time, and it hurts everyone involved. I hope to have this case wrapped up very soon, and I'll post the outcome here. The link provided is our copyright policies if you're interested.