I have couple of 17ths but they all have retracted sails :-(... I either need sales or a decent sailing ship with open sales, for free.

Anything?

for free ? you might try turbo squid...but it is unlikely your gonna find a GOOD sailing ship for free(;

Do you mean you need a 17th Century sailing ship?

Quote - Do you mean you need a 17th Century sailing ship?

Yes, either that or Sails I can apply to one of mine which have retracted sails and can make it look otherwise ...

OK, the easiest thing to do is to post a picture of the ship (or ships) in question, and ask if there are any NURBS modellers who would be willing to make a set of sails for you. So that you know, sails should be very easy to make for a NURBS modeller. They will take more time if they must be seen in close-up or must be seriously textured, or need to be in tatters, as if torn by a cannon ball or something. Otherwise, they should take relatively little time. You need to be prepared to provide a copy of your ship(s) to a person doing this for you. A person like me can work from some sketches or renders, but it is difficult to get the sizes correct without having the model. If a modeller like me has a copy of the mast and boom structures, along with the rigging, then it's a pretty simple job. What file format are your ships? Can you provide a render of them here?

You wouldn't be talking about models of the HMS Victory or the Mayflower, by any chance, would you? These are two well known (frequently pirated) ship models that are lacking sails. If so, please let me know as I have them, and might be able to get some sails to fit for you.

Quote - You wouldn't be talking about models of the HMS Victory or the Mayflower, by any chance, would you? These are two well known (frequently pirated) ship models that are lacking sails. If so, please let me know as I have them, and might be able to get some sails to fit for you.

Hey thanks.

What I need are like simply square sails that I could individually resize and match the ship. But that these squares are like sails, bent to the wind.

For example like this,

[img]http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/images/sails-studding-sail.gif[/img]

sail models that I could apply to the masts...

I have ships like the constitution and many others of this type.

Just all of them with simply no sails but just masts or retracted sails.

Looks like you could just simply add sails to them.

Know what I mean?

Pirated ships:D I find that amusing in an odd way:P Even in the 21st century people are still pirating ships:D

Many ships I have (like the Santa Maria) are supposed to have a single Sail on a single mast. SO I think it should be no problem with a proper sail model...

Well, we can try this (completely square sails), but I think you'll find its not quite as simple as you're thinking. OK, so I need a file format specification....... Let me know, and we'll try it.

Why dont you just use cloth nurbs and some wind(;

Hi Paul! Yes, it is ironic. And I am wondering what Xpleet is meaning by "a proper sail model." If it doesn't work, its because I didn't construct "a proper sail model?" Anyhow, I am going to just mess around with a NURBS plane, and kind of bellow it out. Want to participate in this, too? I know you have modelling software, Paul. Xpleet, we need to know what file format you require!!!!!!!!!

Attached Link: Square Sail

OK xpleet, I've got to go to bed sometime tonight, so I just whipped one out as you asked. Since you've not replied about my "file format" question as it may be pretty late wherever you are, I put this into *.3ds file format - you should be able to import this into just about any program. You can download this simple model anytime you like, and give it a try. Speaking as a person who has been a sailor for 60-some years, I don't think you're going to find this "basic square sail" idea as simple as you think, for the following reasons. #1 - The sails of those square riggers were often wider at the bottom than the top and all sails, including those old canvas jobs were cut in such a way as to form a pocket for the wind. #2 - I've made what I believe to be a proper bellow or wind pocket in this one, but if you attempt to re-scale it very much along just one axis, you are likely to distort the bellow in a sometimes unrealistic fashion. #3 - A suit of sails on a ship could all be expected to have approximately the same bellow shape (as the wind is coming from a single direction and with a single force). If you take a single square sail and re-scale it several times in a different manner each time, your "bellow" curves necessarily will be re-shaped, and so they will all look a little different - not natural. #4 - What about the jibs? (the "triangular sails")

Quote - OK xpleet, I've got to go to bed sometime tonight, so I just whipped one out as you asked. Since you've not replied about my "file format" question as it may be pretty late wherever you are, I put this into *.3ds file format - you should be able to import this into just about any program. You can download this simple model anytime you like, and give it a try. Speaking as a person who has been a sailor for 60-some years, I don't think you're going to find this "basic square sail" idea as simple as you think, for the following reasons. #1 - The sails of those square riggers were often wider at the bottom than the top and all sails, including those old canvas jobs were cut in such a way as to form a pocket for the wind. #2 - I've made what I believe to be a proper bellow or wind pocket in this one, but if you attempt to re-scale it very much along just one axis, you are likely to distort the bellow in a sometimes unrealistic fashion. #3 - A suit of sails on a ship could all be expected to have approximately the same bellow shape (as the wind is coming from a single direction and with a single force). If you take a single square sail and re-scale it several times in a different manner each time, your "bellow" curves necessarily will be re-shaped, and so they will all look a little different - not natural. #4 - What about the jibs? (the "triangular sails")

Ah thank you so much.

And yeah, it'd be great if you could provide ones that are wider at the bottom and triangular ones for the front or back.

I guess some 3 basic shapes that I can reshape...those could make up a ship don't you think? And with a little bow through the middle of them, so you could adjust how hard the wind blues by resizing them in this direction, done in Vue. What do you think?

Texturing would be no problem for me I guess.

Well atleast, I can say I got a 1,3m mast sailor standing in my room Lol. And yeah! It's RC!

In response to the other questions.

English is not my native language, it's still limited.

By square sail i actually meant the ones that is wider at the bottom!

Yes I once had 3dsmax7 installed but I got lost and choose to play games instead of creating ;(

Thinking about giving C4D a chance but I'm not sure, I want one damn prog. if I'm going to start modeling again. This software madness makes me sick.

.3DS format is great!!!

Well, if you want one all around program  that does it all (almost) you might want to get Cinema 4D 10.5x Studio..This is what i chose and couldnt be happier..it is cerainly for the beginner as well as advnaced user and has a really easy interface. And some good tech suppoert and alot of toots around to follow.

OK, I'll make you a simple suit of generic sails in Vue 5 file format, but it will be tomorrow before I can get to this job.

Attached Link: Vue 5 Basic Suite Of Square Rigger Sails

OK, here is a basic set of sails for you. The above picture and text on it are in full size at the web site. I used a scale model copy of the HMS Royal Charles built at the very end of the 16th Century to determine the proportions for the relative height and width of these sail types, so, .... this may not work for your models. (This particular ship set the pattern for much of the 17th Century, so it was as "standard" as I could get.) Without a copy of your models' mast structures, it probably is impossible to get the sail proportions just exactly right, as pointed out earlier. But, at least you have something to play around with. Good luck! The download link will be good for 48 hours, and then I'll take these down as I need the server space.

Quote - OK, here is a basic set of sails for you. The above picture and text on it are in full size at the web site. I used a scale model copy of the HMS Royal Charles built at the very end of the 16th Century to determine the proportions for the relative height and width of these sail types, so, .... this may not work for your models. (This particular ship set the pattern for much of the 17th Century, so it was as "standard" as I could get.) Without a copy of your models' mast structures, it probably is impossible to get the sail proportions just exactly right, as pointed out earlier. But, at least you have something to play around with. Good luck! The download link will be good for 48 hours, and then I'll take these down as I need the server space.

Thanks that's just great.

I'll make a test with em soon.

Not free I know - but a fully rigged HMS victory is available from the daz3d market place (along with many other ships)

Not free I know - but a fully rigged HMS victory is available from the daz3d market place (along with many other ships)