Multiple Entries

This was not covered in the current challenge thread, and it changes with each challenge.

Question: Do we include Multiple entries in every challenge, or let the Theme host Choose?

**A-  All the time

B- Choice of Host

**(I've posted this question for brholte in the current challenge thread)

Actually, I was surprised when multiple entries were allowed. I personally don't think they should be but, that is just a personal opinion.
So I would chose
C. Never allow

Ang

I think it is fairer to not allow more than one it evens the odds more. Just my opinion

 C. Never Allow

C. Never Allow

From History it was always one entry per person, inc those with multiple log-ins, and i didnt realise that it had been changed till last months challenge.
C. Never

I think the multi entry thing maybe came over from the challenge arena where it's the standard.

Just the one for me.

I'm on the fence here.

I think it could be per challenge host. One host may want to have more than 1 entries. Another might want it only 1 entry per person... Personally I would like to have it set to no more than 2 entries per person per challenge. That way,  it would placate those who only want 1 and those who want more than 1.

But majority rules. So I'll go with whatever goes by here as rule.

Can't see what the problem is of entering more than once personally since this is just a friendly community thing with no prizes...... however, I certainly wish someone had said something earlier since I spent a few days on a scene specifically for the challenge with the understanding that it was already allowed.

I would have thought the more the merrier, and it is a learning experience for everybody. I would personlly vote for multiple. The reason I have a second entry was through being inspired by rj001's project.

So is this a competition were we are competing with one another or is it a friendly way of expressing our own interpretation of someones idea and helping others and yourself to become better as a result of WIP's and the final renders?

Traditionally we've allowed only one and I agree with the tradition. I would say option "C". I feel It allows those that have the extra time an unfair advantage to outpost those that don't have the time or ambition to post more. Thereby offering the multiposter more opportunities to win the "challenge". 

I'm on the "C. Never Allow" wagon as well...as Sandy says...it's fairer.. ...

C. Never allow.

C: Never allow.

If you have another render with the challenge theme you can always post it in your gallery.

Just my 2 Cents :)

C just one entry

Previously it was one entry per person, but you could upload a second on condition that it replaced your first entry.
This way if you happen to make a better image than the one already entered, you could replace it!

Well if it becomes a rule for only one entry I shan't bother any more... it'll feel more like oneupmanship than a friendly challenge. :rolleyes:

Si... Cy ... Sue ... So sue me ! ! but seroiusly folks: C - Quoth the Raven: "nevermore".

At risk of diverting the purpose of this thread, I seriously don't understand why reverting to the long held rule of one entry per individual can be considered "oneupmanship" .  Some enjoy the challenges but don't have the time to generate multiple images for that purpose.  For those that do have the time, why is it offensive to ask that person to select the one they think is their best for the challenge to upload?  Why can't it be accepted as a challenge to submit your best effort at a particular theme and that is simply all there is to it?

I sincerely hope no one who frequents this forum believes the folks here are anything but friendly and helpful in all matters.

When I was a kid and growing up with a half dozen or so close buddies in the neighborhood.  we would occasionally come up with all kinds of "who can____ the best, longest, furtherest, most, highest, slowest, with eyes closed, etc..." dares and contest.  Probably, in most cases, the winner could be predicted in advance but that didn't matter.  We all dug our heels in and had a great time trying. 

I hope no one here holds back and sits on the sidelines. 

I personally only do one for a challenge and take my time getting it the way I want.  I too hope no one feels they shouldn't compete in the challenges as has been said before it has always been one entery per person till lately.

I'm actually with Dan et all on this one...

c: never allow.

If you have multiple good ideas and say you come up with one that would work better, you could maybe be allowed to have a mod pull your previous picture, or leave it a one and done.

But then again...  B does have it's advantages.  No... generally I'm still with "C".

Put it this way........
If we have one entry per person then we get to see nice work, WIP's of that work and possibly a free objects for us to download.

Now, if we can have more than one entry, for those that work faster or those who have more ideas they want to express, and not because of spamming the challenge with ones own ego, we get more nice work to look at, more WIP's and perhaps more freebies to download from Free Stuff.

@dhama, I concur with you.:m_thumbu:

if I remember correctly this rule was adopted because a few people would post a slew of basic images that showed no real effort.
It can also lead to more work for the Mods 'cause people fail to adequately identify which image they're voting for (this happened in a recent challenge).

Just my 2 cents...

Quote - if I remember correctly this rule was adopted because a few people would post a slew of basic images that showed no real effort.
It can also lead to more work for the Mods 'cause people fail to adequately identify which image they're voting for (this happened in a recent challenge).

Just my 2 cents...

This is hardly a problem, but I respect your opinion.

Quote - if I remember correctly this rule was adopted because a few people would post a slew of basic images that showed no real effort.

Then these won't be voted on, eh?

Quote - It can also lead to more work for the Mods 'cause people fail to adequately identify which image they're voting for (this happened in a recent challenge).

Instead of voting on the names, they can vote on the title of the piece, rather than the artist. I think we should be looking at the title of the piece rather than JoeBlow's name. Or they can vote by using both the title of the piece and the artist's name. (I wouldn't put myself in the category of artist but maybe a hobbyist, renderer, creator?)

I do honestly think that people tend to vote by names rather than by the work but we'll see this time around. And no I don't want to stir up the controversy pot. Just stating my humble opinion and observation.

Frankly, I think that challenge rules should be thrashed out by a mod/coord and the challenger.
We've seen these discussions go on and on, get nowhere, solve nothing and leave people depressed and unwilling to compete.

The results are always the same. The best piece wins. The worst doesn't.

Sure, we have some voters who lookout for their friends, but real friends don't do this. I may be your friend, but if you turn out a piece of crap I'm going to tell you about.

The Bryce challenges are not about who wins, they are about learning how to use Bryce better. They are about inspiration and interrpretation. They are about the Art. They are about integrity and honesty.

And when the challenge is over, every entrant should be asking themselves how they could have improved their entry and what it was that swung the voters. Not griping that Mr X only won because his friends voted for him. etc etc etc.

Winning is nice. Winning is cool. But it isn't the whole object of the exercise.

Quote - The Bryce challenges are not about who wins, they are about learning how to use Bryce better. They are about inspiration and interrpretation. They are about the Art. They are about integrity and honesty.

And when the challenge is over, every entrant should be asking themselves how they could have improved their entry and what it was that swung the voters. Not griping that Mr X only won because his friends voted for him. etc etc etc.

Winning is nice. Winning is cool. But it isn't the whole object of the exercise.

Preeeeeeecisely! Which would mean extra entries are a bonus, right?

Well stated Chris.

Majority moves towards "C - Never". I'll wait for a few more postings then make it official.

Personally I don't see the need for multiple entries when you can post in your personal gallery and here in the forum, showing all the new found prowess and technique. Only one is required and it preserves a level playing field for everyone.

If anyone is concerned that they have entered and created a better image afterward, make it a practice to wait until a closer date to the deadline and then submit your choice work.

Sharing all your work in the forum is fine, that's what this is all about, Creating, teaching, learning, and as stated earlier, there has been a stronger showing of creative genius.
So please.......Continue posting to the WIP threads, these are great!

ok, now i haven't been around much but Joe you have asked a question which could be open for debate. IMO if the artist is good at what they do then they wouldn't/shouldn't need to have more than one entery, if the artist is only new to using bryce or as not been using it for long than they could/should need to have more than one entery in the challenge.

But to be fair on all that enter a challenge i say C

Quote - IMO if the artist is good at what they do then they wouldn't/shouldn't need to have more than one entery,

Well maybe it's because i'm not very good that I want to enter more than once....

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Well maybe it's because i'm not very good that I want to enter more than once....

*Quote -
If anyone is concerned that they have entered and created a better image afterward, make it a practice to wait until a closer date to the deadline and then submit your choice work.

*It is exciting to post as soon as you're finished, though if you DO create a better image, doesn't it make more sense to rely on that image?

@dhama, sorry i should have pointed that out in my post as well. that there are some bryce users who have been using it for a while and might like to post more than one entery.

To be fair on all that enter i say C.

Edited to add. dhama if you aren't good at what you do then may i say this and please remember i am joking.
I think you should give bryce up and take up working with crayons.
I just looked at your gallery and from what i can see you have no worries about not being good...gee i wish i was that good

Ok.... sorry for my sarcasm..........here's the real reason. I tried to keep it secret but it's impossible and i'm going to have to let the cat out of the bag. I'm a Bryce-a-holic, there! i've said it, satisfied. I spend all my free time creating Bryce scenes, and, I can't help building them fast.

Everyone has talked about multiple entries of the not-so-perfect images, has anyone thought about what it would be like if the "Bryce Greats" entered multiple entries. I think I can say that they would all have the integrity and humbleness to not put in more than one entry even if allowed. But still. Without my mentioning their names, just picture trying to create an image able to get just a vote or two up against them. And them having entered 2 or 3 images apiece.
It is already difficult enough creating a good image. Something like that would completely take the wind out of my sails.
I vote C: Never allow - but allow a person to change their uploaded picture if they feel they have a better image or have made some good progress with the one already posted. (It would be better to wait closer to the deadline, but some people feel the urgency to get upload as so as they can. So if it is doable, allowing a change of mind should be accepted)

Well said, Ang!

ok time i went back to my none posting mode..

C for me
I personally have posted too soon on many occasions - its a discipline we should all strive for.

Although some won’t say it or are reserved enough not to say it, this is all too reminiscent of the “Top 20” and all those problems not all that long ago here. Thus...no more "Top 20".

yep

Quote Lenny Henry "One man one Goat"

I second the motion for C - one entry per person.  Ang's point is well taken and for me from most aspects C seems fairest all round.

I think that the best thing to do if you want to improve is to post a WIP - and to ask for comments.  You don't have to do what everyone says you should, but there's no harm in trying things out to see if you like the effect.  After all your art should be what expresses YOU to the best of your ability. 

I learn a good deal from WIP threads, both my own and those started by others, and sometimes they can be inspiring as well.  How good I get... well, I'll keep trying, it's all any of us can do.

C, just one entry.

If everyone wishes to vote C, then how about making the challenge time 1 month instead of 2.... it gets quite boring waiting so long.

oh yea that'd be good. a monthly challenge with one entry per user. that'd be nice :)

Whole reason we went bi-monthly was lots of folks didn't have the time.   Usually went something like:

entries end last day of month.
voting last a week
winner is announced and maybe 2-5 days before winner announces new challenge
only two weeks or so left to create/render/upload

Thanks skiwillgee, exactly.

With the overlay of everything mentioned above, the challenges would run into each other.

Kinda like makin meatlof and apple pie at the same time with one oven.

*Kinda like makin meatlof and apple pie at the same time with one oven.

*You mean you can't?

I can make them both at the same time can't you :lol: Actually the oven times are different only for the first 15 min but never did the higher temp just let it cook longer the crust browned just as good that way.

Quote - Thanks skiwillgee, exactly.

With the overlay of everything mentioned above, the challenges would run into each other.

Kinda like makin meatlof and apple pie at the same time with one oven.

So why does the challenge have to start at the begining of each month... You take 4 weeks say for the challenge entries, then a week for the voting. Then after that start another 4 weeks + 1 week voting.