Hello:
I am curious as to the percentage of Poser and Poser Pro users who work in Mac environment?
To that question I would another facet, that is, what percentage of users in the above environment would benefit from the use of a full function 3D mouse?

It would seem that the only available device to provide that "potential" is made by 3DConnexion but, unfortunately, they appear to be neglecting the above sector of the 3D creating population and I wonder if their business decision is based upon a valid understanding of the percentage of potential customers who utilize the Macintosh for character creation and animation. 

If I recall the last poll someone took, less then 5% of all poser users are mac based.

Thanks for the info.

I think there were actually more people using poser 4, then using all version of poser on Macs. And the number of people using poser 4 still was pretty remarkable, but I don;t recall any near exact numbers at all.

Quote - Hello:
I am curious as to the percentage of Poser and Poser Pro users who work in Mac environment?
To that question I would another facet, that is, what percentage of users in the above environment would benefit from the use of a full function 3D mouse? 

Hmm Not sure how one defines  "Full Function 3D mouse"

I have the apple "Supermouse" or whatever ,
it has left/right/center click for contexual menus with scroll ball and side buttons to squeeze  to activate  "expose" of All open windows.

So what else am I"missing" as far as using a mouse for 3D on OSX?????

I'm not sure if I understand the intend of the question - Poser 7 and Poser Pro have built-in support for the 3dconnexion devices for both Mac and Windows already.

Hi Stewer:
To clarify, both Poser and Poser Pro Mac allow for 3D movement, i.e. cameras, figures and parts of figures, etc. However, 3D Connexion's controllers have potentially programmable buttons that could be used to control various program functions but neither Poser 7 nor Poser Pro Mac will recognize the programmable macros.  As a result, one is not capable of utilizing those very useful functions (read: buttons), hence, a less than full function controller.  Oddly enough, both Maya 8.5, C4D R10.5 and the Mac OSX (desktop) will read the macros that can be produced from within the 3D Connexion driver panel.  This tends to suggest, IMO,  that there is something odd about Poser/Mac's code.  I am told, however, that the macros do function in the Windows version; Mac users ignored as usual.
Admittedly, everyone has a different work flow but I find that anything that allows me to keep my hands in one place and not jumping from one device to another allows for greater efficiency and speed.  Having to move from the controller to the keyboard and back diminishes that efficiency and it is for that reason that the provision for macro controlled buttons were offered on those devices ... it would be nice if they worked!

 i use mac

Attached Link: http://support.smithmicro.com/cs/smkb.cfg/php.exe/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=2035

Quote - The buttons on the SpaceNavigator can be used for more than just resetting cameras- you can set up Python scripts which can be triggered by clicking those buttons as well. To do this, put the scripts in a folder titled Runtime/Python/poserScripts/3DMouse. The scripts must be named ButtonX.py where X is the button number which will trigger the script. Users of other 3D controllers from 3dconnexion (SpacePilot, SpaceTraveller etc.) can use those products as well within Poser. 

I use Mac... and Poserpro (i have no idea if it is 7 or 8 but is the latest, LOL) which very fast and cool, yes)

Mac here too.....but I hate things with buttons. I even hate the stupid scrolly mouse thing on the "new" mighty mouse and they don't make one without it anymore direct from Apple. I never needed more than one button and a control key for anything I wanted to do anyway, but I'm probably a minority. I'm more likely to be holding command keys down when using the mouse to constrain things or dupe them. Although hubby swears by his 7 button mouse, which would just makes things too confusing for me!

zai

•edited to add:

I just figured out I can can do stuff like that in Carrara too, so that's been a plus..without any strange function buttons. Constraining to side to side or sizing up and down equally just by holding the shift or control when I drag.

I use Poser Mac OSX. I have a Kensington Turboball (4 buttons, clickable scroll wheel, and ball) under my right hand; and a Contour Designs Shuttle Pro (13 programable buttons, and a programable jog/shuttle dial) under my left hand. Combine these with my use of key commands, and I really don't need anything else for any application that I have used. (:

I wasn't aware of the ability to write Python scripts for this purpose, thanks, I'll give it a try.  In the meantime, I am awaiting a controller profile to be used with ControllerMate which should open up the programming potential of the Space Explorer.

As for the Contour Shuttle Pro, I have been using one myself for Final Cut Studio but interestingly enough, its buttons are easily programmable with regards to Poser functions, so, why can't the 3DConnexion people get their act together to do the same?

Actually, it seemed that the mac population in Poser was a a lot higher than normal computer populations based on a survey at DAZ. But I hate the double button mouse and have switched it (but I do use the scroll wheel).

Quote - Actually, it seemed that the mac population in Poser was a a lot higher than normal computer populations based on a survey at DAZ. But I hate the double button mouse and have switched it (but I do use the scroll wheel).

If that is case, then it would behoove the 3DConnexion people to get working on making their driver more effective for the Mac.  BTW, the purpose of my initial question was to determine whether their decision to basically ignore the Mac was based upon sound business practices but if the DAZ survey is accurate, they're missing out on a buying population.

AFAIK there are approx. 4,000 poser users in SM's database who use OS X.
perhaps all of 'em are members here, but I doubt it.

 cough, choke, err ah, Intel Mac here. Hate the Apple supplied mighty mouse as my greasy fingers screw up the tiny track ball constantly....ACK!, what's that Dell mouse doing plugged into my Apple keyboard?

LOL..I'm an original hockey puck mouse fan myself. Once I got used to it, I couldn't use anything else...feels like I'm holding a watermelon and driving a truck. Maybe it's just because I have small hands that I find the new keyboard (the metal one) and the small mouse size with no buttons an excellent fit.

All your mouses will be MINE!!! Mwwwaahahaaha! [Irkin translation: On a Mac here, too.]

 Mac here.

Intel mac desktop here. I use a Microsoft Notebook Optical mouse with scroll wheel, 2 top buttons and 2 side buttons (disabled). I like it because I have very small hands.

FWIW, I am on a mac also.

Well, it certainly seems that there are a considerable number of Mac users, myself included.

With regards to the 3D Connexion Space Explorer, I just received an updated e-mail from 3d Connexion's support team indicating that their first response was erroneous.  It is now stated that all of the buttons on the Space Explorer should be programmable from within Poser Pro using the 3D Connexion driver but I have not found that to be true, at least, in my case.  I am awaiting an updated response from their "advanced" tech support.

I also use Poser (5, 6, 7) on 2 Macs... PPC G4 and Intel 20" I Mac
Poser 6 runs on the PPC better than P7 (IMO because of the Native OS) whereas the Imac runs P7 better (IMO) because of Universal.

As for input I use a Wacom Tablet w/ pen and a 3 button mouse.

I have thought about purchasing a 3D Con  but I am too used to my pen.

I love my Macs!

Quote - If I recall the last poll someone took, less then 5% of all poser users are mac based.

I'd like to see some solid numbers to support that.

Hello Synpainter:
I too use a Wacom tablet,  but primarily for Photoshop work.  A Shuttle Pro is used for video editing (Final Cut Studio) and the 3D mouse for character creation and animation.  As for the 3D mouse, when it works, it's a great time-saver.

With respect to the "percentage of Mac users" responder, my gut feeling is that the 5% quoted number seems a bit on the light side but as the last poster suggested,  real numbers would be helpful.

That was Yaesen's poll, and she had posted linsk to it, but so many people debated the scientific sampling, demogrpahics, and any damned thing that they could argue about with her over it, I don't think she ever followed up with it at a later date, and she's pretty much vanished now.

And seriously, if personal computer userbase is about 10% mac oriented, then it's not that far fetched that only 5 % of the poser userbase is mac oriented.

You can use the search here though to look up the old poll posts though...

Monday, March 17, 2008Apple snags 14 percent of US-based PC retail sales in February

By Katie Marsal

Published: 05:00 PM EST 

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Growth in Apple's personal computer business continued to outpace the industry average last month, with Macs accounting for a 14 percent unit share and 25 percent dollar share of all US-based PC retail sales, according to market research firm NPD.

The above information merely references the number of users but it does not speak to a specific sector of users, such as, the percentage of total personal computer owners that use their equipment for graphics, animation, video editing, etc.  With this consideration in mind, the actual numbers could, from a statistical viewpoint, be entirely different ... much higher or lower.

Quote - Monday, March 17, 2008Apple snags 14 percent of US-based PC retail sales in February

By Katie Marsal

Published: 05:00 PM EST 

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Growth in Apple's personal computer business continued to outpace the industry average last month, with Macs accounting for a 14 percent unit share and 25 percent dollar share of all US-based PC retail sales, according to market research firm NPD.

The above information merely references the number of users but it does not speak to a specific sector of users, such as, the percentage of total personal computer owners that use their equipment for graphics, animation, video editing, etc.  With this consideration in mind, the actual numbers could, from a statistical viewpoint, be entirely different ... much higher or lower.

Addendum to above:
IMO the above 14%, with respect to the topic of conversation, may not be entirely accurate because it only references a specific time frame and does not consider the number or percentage of users as a whole which would require knowledge of the actual total number of users.  Taking a poll on this site would assume that the lion's share of Mac users, within the defined environment, are member of this forum and, of course, that may not be the case.

Here's where I got the 10% that I mentioned earlier.. they were projecting based on growth, that Mac usage percent might hit 10% by the end of the year.

http://mac360.com/index.php/mac360/comments/mac_market_share_to_hit_10_percent_by_2008/

Out of curiosity, i googled some, and it looks like Mac users have about an 8% market share right now.. and based off that, even granting 5% of poser use sounds kind.

http://community.winsupersite.com/blogs/paul/archive/2008/07/14/windows-vista-usage-share-surges-355-percent-leaves-mac-os-x-in-the-dust.aspx

Ive  read the MAC market share of viruses and Adware is at about 0%

Browser

% visits

Internet Explorer

  47.75% Firefox

  42.02% Safari

  8.05% Opera

  1.64% Chrome

  0.27%  

I don't know about Mac users exactly, but among visitors to my web site (strictly Poser people) there are 8.05% on Safari - the Mac browser. That seems like decent evidence that about 8% of Poser users are on a Mac. Unless they are secretly using IE. Heheheh.

Zai:

One button for you eh? My car has almost 50 buttons and knobs, and in my opinion that is not nearly enough. For example, I have to flip a switch before I can adjust the right-side mirror. I want dedicated mirror turners for each mirror. And there are a crapload of functions that I can only get to by using the stupid navigation computer screen - which only has one stupid push-spin button to navigate through all the stupid menus. At least it has a "few" buttons for specific purposes, but not enough in my opinion. The one I want most is "show the damn map right now". Instead I have to do 6 clicks from power-up to get that. I was going to buy my 3rd BMW in a row but they moved even more buttons into that stupid I-Drive jigger - one knob for everything. I hate that. I'm looking at other cars now. Give me more buttons.

Quote - Ive  read the MAC market share of viruses and Adware is at about 0%

I don't think that's even close to true.

Macs no longer immune to viruses, experts say
Apple's growing market share, new chips said making it more of a target

Consider this: Say there's an asshole who wants to annoy as many people as possible through hackery. He's thinking about who to target; Mac users and/or PC users. Let me see: 1 billion PC's, versus 80 million Macs. (I'm making those numbers up, but they're probably in the ballpark.) Hmmm. The potential target list is so much bigger with PC's. I don't think he'll bother trying to infect Macs. Besides, he'd have to buy a Mac to build his Mac-hack and they're so expensive. He can buy a kick-ass PC and a gigantic beautiful monitor for $1200. The equivalent performing Mac will cost him $4000. Also, it's a lot easier to find warez compilers and stuff for the PC. He's not going to buy development software - he's going to steal it.

But, as the Mac becomes cheaper over time, it will also become more popular. Which will doubly increase the desirability of hacking the Mac. Plus think of the fame of being the guy who took down 20 million Macs.

Only problem with that, Garee, is that it takes into account all computer users, and it's well known that within the graphics area, Macs have more than a 10% ownership rate.

Insofar as browsers, I use Netscape, IE, Safari, and Firefox, depending on what site I'm visiting. It seems like everyone tailors for a specific one these days.

::Sorry for the continued Off Topic Hijack:: My .02 BB, although Safari is the main Mac Browser, there is also availe PC versions, although I am not sure how many users,but there must have been enough demand to create another pplatform version,also with Firefox, is in a multi platform version release...Internet Exploder has never been stable in my Mac experience nor has the ole Nut Scape... I believe, inevitably that some wingnut somewhere will find a way to corrupt the Mac OSX, and probably already has...With the Intel based Macs and all the cross platforming on a single box I would think that there HAS to have been someone that has contracted a "nasty" on a Mac, just not in the OSX side. (I have no factual backup to that statemnt, I just can imagine that it has to have happened) Like all things, there is always somebody looking to take a dump in your Cherrio's... But I also think that most viruses are spread because of lax practices on the users part, common sence could prevent the spread of many of the malware and viruses... Personally I take as much care as possible and do the common sence things that most "should" do. But like most other Threads that are Mac inquiries, this one seems to have followed the same path, somebody throws out the proverbial "Virus Resistant" statment. I don't think Mac are immune they just have not been the target focus. :::We now return to your regular Post Topic::: What was the question? Oh yeah, as I said a few posts back...I Poser on a Mac ;)

But I also think that most viruses are spread because of lax practices on the users part, common sence could prevent the spread of many of the malware and viruses...

Good point. And I'll go one step further and make this (perhaps dangerous) observation - every Mac user I know personally is a very smart person. The collective average intelligence of this group is higher than my PC-using friends. (Myself excluded, of course heheh)

I use my Wacom tablet with my Left hand Over the years, getting on Righty's computers I've learned to use the mouse with my Right hand. Now if someone would make a system that would accept two inputs at the same time, So i could use my mouse and pen at the same time!!! :p

Quote - Only problem with that, Garee, is that it takes into account all computer users, and it's well known that within the graphics area, Macs have more than a 10% ownership rate.

Maybe well known to mac users.... ;)

I've never seen any facts to back that statement up at all.. I did post links to back up my statement.

When I was working for Disney, they had a TON of computers in the animation department.. and all of 2 of them were Macs.

In imagineering, they did have a number of Macs for digital music developement.. but again, everything else was windows based.

And when I was at Grove Park Inn, the graphics department there had 5 windows based systems, and one Mac system, and that was someone's own personal system they had permission to use there.

Mac users see Macs all over the place..but I think that's wishful thinking for the most part.

(Amiga owners also saw amigas all over th place as well.)

Its kind of a moot point, since we're talkign a very low percentge of all personal computers used, and this after the home computer has been around now for about 25 years.

I have been a professional graphic artist for over 20 years, a Mac user for almost 15 years and a Poser user since Poser 2. I have used Poser 2, 3, 4, Pro Pack and now Poser 6 on the Mac platform and Poser 3 on the PC.  For graphics I use a Mac (OS 10.3.9) at home and a PC (Windows XP) at work. My Mac will be nine years old this December. Very...very slow but it still gets the job done.

Even though I use the Mac, I prefer FireFox to Safari so there is not a direct connection to browsers used.

According to Cnet, sales of Creative Suite 3 on the Mac make up about 75 percent of the sales which is close to what CS2 sold.  Percent of computer users of a particular platform doesn't always directly match up to percent of a software program used.

Dark Horse comics has something like 150 Macintoshes to handle their graphics. A toy company I used to work for had about 20 Macs in the design/graphic department. They had around 50 PCs that were used to keep track of  orders taken over the phone and do accounting. I am not putting down PCs - that's just the way this company was set up.

I'm curious to know how many users of Poser (and DAZ Studio) are on the different platforms, too. I would guess it's more than 10 % of users.

I have a mac but have not purchaced mac poser as yet.  I do use Ds on my mac though and Poser on my PC.  I can use my poser in Bootcamp on my mac

Just my 2c worth.  Still do majority of my Poser work on PC. As soon as I have mac version though that might change.

Quote -
I don't think that's even close to true.

Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,...........

Show me the news story from a legitimate source
about an EXISTING  OSX Virus. that forces us to install intrusive
,RAM eating, antivirus bloatware on our  OSX systems so they wont become damaged or other wise unusable due to the "virus".

not some pointless theoretical extrapolation exercise about how much Might would cost to build mac virus Development workstation