http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2751349

Neat freebie from Mr. Sparky for Vue.  He posted in the Poser forum, but not all read that... 

Strictly my personal opinion, but in my case that would completely take away all my fun in using Vue. For me, a big part of the fun in the creative process is to create grounds, foregrounds and backgrounds with 3D objects and materials. If I have a character in a forest, a big part of the fun is the creation of the forest. If suddenly I can replace all that process with a simple photo from a forest... Well, for me that isn't Vue anymore but something else. Maybe I'm being fundamentalist but I really do not like that tool, at all. Sorry...

Quote - Strictly my personal opinion, but in my case that would completely take away all my fun in using Vue. For me, a big part of the fun in the creative process is to create grounds, foregrounds and backgrounds with 3D objects and materials. If I have a character in a forest, a big part of the fun is the creation of the forest. If suddenly I can replace all that process with a simple photo from a forest... Well, for me that isn't Vue anymore but something else. Maybe I'm being fundamentalist but I really do not like that tool, at all. Sorry...

You are not a fundamentalist, it is just a stupid thing. What about rendering the canonical naked lady in Vue, and then pasting the resulting image on a square prop in Poser or Studio... would it make sense?

Bye...

Thanks for the link Peggy,

I can see many uses for such a tool-- especially for professionals where they need to insert an object in an existing scene. 

I can see where it might come in handy actually.  I wouldn't have thought I'd use it that much though but thanks MrSparky.  Very kind of you

Cant fault a guy for providing a freebie and some may find it useful, but I LIKE creating images in Vue, I dont want someone else to provide the whole setting. In fact I am trying to master modeling and texturing  so I need less and less external items. So I  dont think this will be of use to me.

Oh I can see a bunch of uses... especially for scenes where you can't get Poser/DAZ characters to look right in Vue. You can be just as creative in Vue (maybe more so) - use Vue for what it was designed and what it does best - render your scene and use those images instead of a photo - in Poser - if not Vue. Now there are fewer limitations! Thanks MrSparky and Peggy for spreading the word!

Kevin

*Maybe I'm being fundamentalist but I really do not like that tool, at all. Sorry...

Rutra - I don't think it'constrains or destroy any form of creativity. If anything it's a tool that can be used to be more creative. ** 

**Using your forest example here - maybe you'd like to use a particular location, so you'd go out and take some nice photos, thats creative and fun.  Also think of it like any other tool - you can use it to do a job. Like use a power drill to screw things together rather than using a hand drill or screwdriver. Plus any tool is only as good as the person who uses it.

As for taking away the fun - never - this freebie is like all my stuff it's all about having fun.

ksanderson -
why would anyone who has access to vue want to render in poser? lights are better, texturing is better,  rendering is better. I agree initially imported figures didnt look good because they are optimised for another system, but if you learn what needs adjusting, they look a thousand times better.
Mrsparky -
To use your anology - If I was into makink furniture, I would find it much more creative to actually create the whole item then to put together an IKEA self assembly set with screwdrivers, hand drill or power drill. I dont want to be the consumer, I want to be the designer/creator.

As to the practical side - I need a lot of control. If I like a 'real' forrest' I want to recreate the essential spirit of the place not the exact copy. I need to be able to 'move' some trees to make space for a clearing, I need to shorter a tree to enable the light to come through. I wnat some bushes that I've seen in one part of the forest with trees I've seen in another, etc. So I must create the scene, and if I created it I'm not regressing to poser for a render.
I'm not saying this freebie shouldnt be distributed, just that many avid 'vuers' wont relinquish creating and rendering their own vue scenes.
But just because I dont want to do collages doesnt mean scissors are useless and no one would use them.

Hope no one minds me saying - but this has got to be a first - people complaining about something that makes life easier :) LOL

 "Hope no one minds me saying - but this has got to be a first - people complaining about something that makes life easier :) LOL"

No kidding!

Buying (or being given) a finished piece of art is easier than making one, but I still want to do my own. I could give you many other examples - some people buy soup in a can some cook their own. Some buy ready made cloths some like to design and make their own. Some buy tomatoes from the supermarket some grow them from seeds.  Which one is easier? which one is more satisfying?
To each his own.
It wasnt a complaint just another approach - I want my art (what ever level it is) to be MY art.
I appreciate your public spirit and generosity, but I dont understand why people want to use it. But if they do - no skin of my nose.

ArtPearl,

Some would think it 'cheating' to use a 3D program like Vue or Poser to 'make art' as the program is an automated tool which helps significantly. For instance, you don't have to know about 3-point perspective, nor do you have to understand exactly how light reflects off different materials.

Others might say creating a scene using other people's models is also 'cheating.'

But then, isn't a paintbrush and a canvas tools? Aren't live models or pictures, references? 

It really depends on where you personally want to draw the line. Don't get me wrong, I do understand your line in the sand. Of course others' lines are different. Some pro's aren't concerned about art, but rather about how fast and how good they can create a finished product and submit an invoice! For them, it's all about shortcuts.

Many of us others will see mrsparky's generous contribution as yet another tool to help us along the way.

The DSU has been available for some time as a poser item from sparkyworld and for me personally it has many uses but especially for those rare times that I actually render inside Poser [not often these days].
It's very similar in use to DAZ's cyclorama and RDNA's Infinity Cove, useful tools inside Poser which has always suffred IMO with landscapes and such which is why I bought Vue!!
I understand Rutra's viewpoint and in some ways I see where he's coming from, but the DSU is useful and I for one am very happy to get as many freebies as anyone is generous enough to take the time and effort to make them, especially when they're this good!!
Thanx!!

ArtPearl said

Quote - ksanderson -
why would anyone who has access to vue want to render in poser? lights are better, texturing is better,  rendering is better. I agree initially imported figures didnt look good because they are optimised for another system, but if you learn what needs adjusting, they look a thousand times better.

I do like Vue's renders in general much better. Bagginsbill's VSS for Poser is the main reason I'm thinking about it. I have maybe seen a really good skin render in Vue once that a user did. I haven't been able to get it to look right. I was tempted by Dave Burdick's plug-in SkinVue but I'm still not crazy about the renders I've seen. I do really like what Bagginsbill has gotten out of the Poser Firefly renderer. I also like the new IBL light sets for Poser over at Runtime. Those results look better than what I've seen in Vue with HDRI on DAZ/Poser characters. I'm not against using Vue for most rendering though as there is no Poser renderfarm service like there is for Vue and I'd much rather do everything in Vue, but sometimes I just want to get it done. MrSparky's freebie does just that.

Kevin

I think it depends on what you want to do, but it really comes down to the fact that the end justifies the means
Most of my pictures involve figures, sometimes I create a terrain as background, mostly use HDRI for background and lighting basis.  Funnily enough I am working on a picture at the moment using RuntimeDNA's original Infinity Cove as backdrop, not with  a photo but with a texture (wait and see!)

@thefixer - the first such prop as far as I know was created a long time ago by "Poser Nerd", but I don't think it's still available. It had the advantage (for some pictures) of being curved (like the original Infinity Cove and Cyclorama instead of being a vertical wall and horizontal floor, but then again, "the end justifies the means"...

@ksanderson - Bagginsbill's VSS for Poser is in the first place not a shader, but rather a convenient way of applying any shader to almost any figure. It's a coincidence that he is also working on shaders..
I still think that Vue is far superior to Poser for rendering, regardless of what shaders you're using. I quite like the results that I get (when I have time to do anything!) whether I'm using my own shaders or SkinVue or different Poser shaders. Doesn't mean that I'm totally happy with the results, though :unsure:

Main thing is, we can count ourselves lucky that we've got tools like Vue and Poser

Enjoy
Rob

If I could get the skin to look right in Vue, I'd be a very happy camper. The way skin looks in the renders in the VSS thread in the Rendo Poser forum (the ones toward the end of the thread) look great. I'm trying to figure out how to do it in Vue - if I only had more time!!!