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Subject: OT? Thinking of stealing Poser assets? Read this and rethink
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While I know you're trying to share the article, he does share hints and tips on how to warez better...so, I've deleted the link, per our zero tolerance for warez policy. You're not in trouble, don't think that...I just think that, it'd be better not to give folks the impression that we leave links that encourage it (even though I know how you feel....guys like this REALLY torque me off). I've also contacted Smith Micro and all major Poser content storefronts, as he's been kind enough to note that he not only warezed Poser, but about $10,000 worth of content.
JenX
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Geez! The guy was specifically writing an article on how to protect yourself from viruses and root kits and all you got out of it was WarZ?!? You must not have read the same article I read. He specifically said he went after the bugs through the routes most known for carrying them and those were WarZ sites. He wanted to see what baddies he could catch and get rid of.
What SHOULD scare folks away from warez is that it's ILLEGAL, not some guy writing an article about how he had to fix his computer. I've had viruses like that from flash games and the like, so, by that end, I should be afraid of playing flash games (not illegal, last I checked).
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oic didn't think of that, no problem JenX
If this guy's intention was to help people avoid malware in legitimate operation, he did NOT need to reference torrents at all. As others said above, you can get malware in games and other legal downloads.
He is clarly a cracker hound with no apology or remorse.
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Look! The guy didn't link to any WarZ site or even tell people how to find them,. He did however lead us to some reliable software for protecting our systems. He also mentions being friends with Larry Weinberg, the guy who started Poser. I seriously doubt he was out to teach anyone the dirty tricks you guys are foaming at the mouth about.
In this day and age where a google search for Anti-Virus can lead you to both good packages as well as those containing MalWare, it's nice to know some people are out there trying to make things safer for us on the internet.
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If this guy's intention was to help people avoid malware in legitimate operation, he did NOT need to reference torrents at all.
Using this reasoning, why did you just mention them yourself?
Unfortunately, in a number of countries, we can't touch people that steal software like that, ie Russia and China. In a report I did earlier this year or the end of last year, some places like China have 94% of all software in use stolen. So for people in some countries, it is irrelevant if it is legal or not.
Then there is the case of Spore and a few other games put out by EA. They include a securerom that helps protect against copying, however it is a rootkit that can only be removed by a complete reformat of your PC. This is part of why Spore is the most stolen game right now. Now I wouldn't trust a warez site, however now I also don't trust EA anymore than a warez site.
WARK!
Thus Spoketh Winterclaw: a blog about a Winterclaw who speaks from time to time.
(using Poser Pro 2014 SR3, on 64 bit Win 7, poser units are inches.)
LostinSpaceman, did you skip over the part where he admittedly warezed not only Poser but also $10,000 in poser products? I'm not reinstating the link. I've posted the author's name, feel free to google on your own, but I'm not putting it back up. He unapologetically warezed, and stated the illegality OR immorality of doing so as an afterthought. We have, and always HAVE had, a zero tolerance policy for warez. And it's irresponsible for an author for a tech magazine, online or no, to go through the process he went through when he DID warez the products. Want to tell us about how awesome an antivirus worked for your computer when you had major computer problems? Sure! Don't go through the process of your warez endeavor and then be all surprised when you've got viruses.
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hey i just have gotten a malware problem myself from a bloody email (labeled "christmas gift" if you can believe that). i may have killed it last night when i found a few suspicious files and super deleted them. it hasn't resurfaced. but i can't be sure and don't want to be a part of some bloody evil bot army. i am seeking good security stuff. so thanks for mentioning that prevx csi. is there a concensus that it actually is a good software and not some plant? seems almost all anti malware is. were there other good programs to use? i'm not looking for reinstating the link of course, just if anyone's memory serves them well.
thanks
by the way, if you receive an email called "christmas gift" or something like that, from someone on your email list, no less, better confirm it before opening otherwise delete it.
the person that supposedly sent it did not send it. another case of those chain mails reaking havoc.
really, forwarding chain mail is like having unprotected sex. you will get smacked sooner or later.
go that way really fast.
if something gets in your way
turn
I wonder how anyone comes up with methods to prevent Warez if they don't research how it's done? LOL.
Quote - hey i just have gotten a malware problem myself from a bloody email (labeled "christmas gift" if you can believe that). i may have killed it last night when i found a few suspicious files and super deleted them. it hasn't resurfaced. but i can't be sure and don't want to be a part of some bloody evil bot army. i am seeking good security stuff. so thanks for mentioning that prevx csi. is there a concensus that it actually is a good software and not some plant? seems almost all anti malware is. were there other good programs to use? i'm not looking for reinstating the link of course, just if anyone's memory serves them well.
thanksby the way, if you receive an email called "christmas gift" or something like that, from someone on your email list, no less, better confirm it before opening otherwise delete it.
the person that supposedly sent it did not send it. another case of those chain mails reaking havoc.
really, forwarding chain mail is like having unprotected sex. you will get smacked sooner or later.
Yeah and I was just warning my mom yesterday about not opening attachements from people even if she knows them! It doesn't help! She was shortly after that playing some Microsft Presentation file with pretty pictures and music attached to it! I haven't checked out her PC for a while. I think it might be time for a serious scan!
Peter Plantec, THE Peter Plantec, is a world renouned digital artist and software designer. He authored several respected books, including Truspace 2 Bible, Virtual Humans, and is a contributing columnist at VFXWorld in Hollywood. He's an authority on virtual human design and artificial intelligence.
I don't know if that post was really by him or not, but I'd be very surprised if he actually "stole" any content. I don't see why he'd have to, other than for research on a book or perhaps anti-malware software design.
http://www.kurzweilai.net/bios/frame.html?main=/bios/bio0234.html?
Quote - Peter Plantec, THE Peter Plantec, is a world renouned digital artist and software designer. He authored several respected books, including Truspace 2 Bible, Virtual Humans, and is a contributing columnist at VFXWorld in Hollywood. He's an authority on virtual human design and artificial intelligence.
I don't know if that post was really by him or not, but I'd be very surprised if he actually "stole" any content. I don't see why he'd have to, other than for research on a book or perhaps anti-malware software design.
http://www.kurzweilai.net/bios/frame.html?main=/bios/bio0234.html?
Yes it was him and yes he actually did all the things he said he did and he did it as the basis for his article. Nothing more. Nothing less. Some people would rather we all remained ignorant and unsafe than to have people out there testing the limits of saftey for our sakes.
Quote - Yes it was him and yes he actually did all the things he said he did and he did it as the basis for his article. Nothing more. Nothing less. Some people would rather we all remained ignorant and unsafe than to have people out there testing the limits of saftey for our sakes.
Oh in that case, then I agree with you. I'm pretty sure e-on software would too, considering he gave them a pretty decent review of Vue just last month...
http://www.studiodaily.com/main/work/10134.html
Poser folks should embrace this man, because he's taking strides, even in this article, at bridging the gap between what software is considered "professional", and what isn't, and basically saying sometimes you can get a lot of bang for your buck with the stuff considered lower end if you just think out of the box.
"With the economy in turmoil, it would be wise for self-taught young CG artists to start broadening their capability, spending more time with reference footage, thinking of less expensive ways to produce the same effects, and practice finding clever solutions."
Well from reading the article it seems he was indeed doing research for the article.
"Honestly, I was just writing an article and I ended up going through such amazing stress and worry and aggravation and hours and hours of recovery with my computer. I hope you appreciate it. I’d have to say, unless you are really desperate and willing to do a ridiculous amount of trial and error, and you are by nature a lucky person, I’d forgo using bootleg software. "
"he's saying you're gonna get squashed doing warez unless you're really good."
That's not a moral tale, it is a cautionary tale.
He is not saying "It is wrong to steal."
In the context of this piece, framing this as anything less than "It is completely wrong to steal software and I am only doing it to discover the power of the trojans and their antidotes" is the very minimum, and I still consider that wrong. Absent NO comment that it is morally wrong to steal software, he is proactively encouraging it.
Also I think there is other denial going on believing his only warez was for this article and only for the purpose of this article.
What I picked up is that he was a full-on warez guy who experienced the thrill of having a $7000 package of Maya on his HD, plus other software, but now "doesn't do that anymore" because people have come to know me, meaning they let him have copies so he'll talk about them or use them, etc.
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Quote - "he's saying you're gonna get squashed doing warez unless you're really good."
That's not a moral tale, it is a cautionary tale.
He is not saying "It is wrong to steal."
In the context of this piece, framing this as anything less than "It is completely wrong to steal software and I am only doing it to discover the power of the trojans and their antidotes" is the very minimum, and I still consider that wrong. Absent NO comment that it is morally wrong to steal software, he is proactively encouraging it
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"A mysterious guy named Axxo uploads really clean and excellent quality videos, but it’s hard to tell which ones are form the real Axxo and which ones are just labeled Axxo, but are phony or worse. It’s up to you, but remember stealing is stealing and who knows what cyber-cops are roaming the data-sphere to nab your ass. It’s also a moral issue."
Guess you didn't read it.
Quote - > Quote - "he's saying you're gonna get squashed doing warez unless you're really good."
That's not a moral tale, it is a cautionary tale.
He is not saying "It is wrong to steal."
In the context of this piece, framing this as anything less than "It is completely wrong to steal software and I am only doing it to discover the power of the trojans and their antidotes" is the very minimum, and I still consider that wrong. Absent NO comment that it is morally wrong to steal software, he is proactively encouraging it
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"A mysterious guy named Axxo uploads really clean and excellent quality videos, but it’s hard to tell which ones are form the real Axxo and which ones are just labeled Axxo, but are phony or worse. It’s up to you, but remember stealing is stealing and who knows what cyber-cops are roaming the data-sphere to nab your ass. It’s also a moral issue."
Guess you didn't read it.
He was too busy getting up on his high horse I think. I read it. You read it. We got it. I also read the part where he said he did all this as research for the article.
maybe opera is correct though. it is possible that plantec doesn't see warez as necessarily a bad thing. there is this whole big open source movement going on, after all. and he does make the case for people training in warez to become pros. who knows his intent? is he attempting to stem the flow of warez by assuming an attitude that would not turn off warez seekers and yet scaring them with tales of viruses? or is he encouraging the flow of it with a caution?
i don't know. i wish he'd checked out a few more antimalware things though.
go that way really fast.
if something gets in your way
turn
This reminds me of the ancient Chinese Warrior, Sun Tzu, who said to his men:
"Know your enemy" before going into battle. "If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat."
Sometimes, to know your enemy is to think like they do, not to encourage their actions, but to defeat them.
Quote - I wonder how anyone comes up with methods to prevent Warez if they don't research how it's done? LOL.
I'm not even sure if it's possible to prevent warez. If you really know what you are doing, you should be able to copy the data and disable any security measures in place.
You could come down on the end users and hope to add a deterrent effect, but if you do it wrong, you'll come off like the RIAA and you'll get a lot of hate because you sued a single mother who's kids both installed a copy of something on each of their computers without paying for it twice.
WARK!
Thus Spoketh Winterclaw: a blog about a Winterclaw who speaks from time to time.
(using Poser Pro 2014 SR3, on 64 bit Win 7, poser units are inches.)
Quote - maybe opera is correct though. it is possible that plantec doesn't see warez as necessarily a bad thing. there is this whole big open source movement going on, after all. and he does make the case for people training in warez to become pros. who knows his intent? is he attempting to stem the flow of warez by assuming an attitude that would not turn off warez seekers and yet scaring them with tales of viruses? or is he encouraging the flow of it with a caution?
i don't know. i wish he'd checked out a few more antimalware things though.
That's a good question, and knowing Plantec's works, he left it open for debate (as we're doing now). Obviously, this is something intended by the article as well.
Quote - maybe opera is correct though. it is possible that plantec doesn't see warez as necessarily a bad thing. there is this whole big open source movement going on, after all. and he does make the case for people training in warez to become pros. who knows his intent? is he attempting to stem the flow of warez by assuming an attitude that would not turn off warez seekers and yet scaring them with tales of viruses? or is he encouraging the flow of it with a caution?
i don't know. i wish he'd checked out a few more antimalware things though.
And in not knowing shall we smear the guy ? Did opera guy check to see if maybe this well known 3D artist perhaps had permission to do his research? Seems to me that someone this well known by all the major 3D software manufacturers, a man who has contributed a great deal to them peobably did. I give him (operaguy) credit though at least he had the nutsack to do it openly in the forums not like the whispering, gossip mongering, SMing cowards we have alot of around here.
Not meaning any rweference to dorkmcgork either just used his post for the comment.
Thanks for the entertaining thread guys. Love it when people go nuts and start stirring the pot here - which is like, all the time it seems.
I can see both points of view. Yeah I don't think piracy is something that is good for those who want to make a living, but I agree with SinnerSaint that the man in question and his body of work should be looked at as a whole before passing judgment.
who did he get permission from the Russian warez vendors?
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First, I will say that no, I did not see that one sentence at the bottom "Stealing is stealing" etc. I was furious by the time I read 95% of this thing. Without denying responsibility for not seeing it, I suggest that in this context, this is a pretty poor disclaimer. So, I apologize for not acknowledging that disclaimer. If I had seen it, I would have mentioned it, but still would have flamed this article harshly.
Even leaving aside the issue -- for this one post -- of his prior career in these adventures, for a project like this with the unusual element of visiting, getting excited about and explicating the list of justifications people deploy while downloading cracked 3D major apps (right up until the disclaimer thrown in at the end), there should have been a very visible, very dramatic announcement that he rejects warez on moral grounds of not stealing, and some justification why in the world he had to choose warez specifically to do his exploration of anti-malware software. This should have been prominent and at the top.
Instead, we get only venial remorse -- that one could get damage on one's HD and/or the (remote) possibility of getting caught. Until the disclaimer at the bottom.
Frankly, it feels like titillation. A thinly justified diddling in juicy expensive thrilling software snatching but then covered by the mission of 'reviewing' the various antidotes. Am I nuts or is this not a lab for teaching people how to NOT get their HD wrecked while downloading illegal torrents? He is doing the research for stealers, lab-testing the antidotes to find the best and most powerful, so others won't waste time on the ones that don't work. It's a tutorial!
He can always claim 'No. While I used warez to test these antidotes, and I did list several reasons people do warez, I never intended for dishonest people to obtain valuable information on how to crack safely nor what justifications might be handy to try on. Only legal surfers and legal downloaders are supposed to read this and profit from it. Thieves please disregard.'
Right.
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"That the man in question and his body of work should be looked at as a whole before passing judgment."
Stunning.
Sick#1: that we should disregard the content of any piece and judge an elite with special treatment, different standards than "lesser folk". That is not democracy.
Sick#2: if he is prominent and a leader, why does that LESSEN the burden of being ethical? Doesn't it INCREASE his responsibililty as a role model and category leader?
Sheesh.
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Go ahead and make the case that I LIED about this person. I called him a thief. He admits it in the piece.
"In the days of dongles, I actually preferred to download a crack instead of requesting a legitimate copy of software to review. Why? Because I hate dongles and often the PR people at the software companies wanted me to jump through hoops to get a 90-day license. "
Your case is?
And do you care to respond to the rest of the content of my posts?
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If you have actual proof, proof as required by law to convict the man of you accusations of criminal conduct, then spit it out, if not, all you have is your interpretation of his article and all your words mean nothing. Further you are commiting a crime yourself and I hope he takes action against you for it. Libel and slander is a crime maybe they will hold this site accountable as well and this nonsense will stop.
In case others don't have access to the piece, here is the full paragraph of the above snippet.
"Since that time, version-updated, cracked software has become available almost as soon as the first copies hit the market. In the days of dongles, I actually preferred to download a crack instead of requesting a legitimate copy of software to review. Why? Because I hate dongles and often the PR people at the software companies wanted me to jump through hoops to get a 90-day license. That was silly and exhausting, and it takes me more than 90 days. Thus, I’d just download and run a bootleg with all the security junk removed by some Russian guy trying to make a living by cheating the big companies. No remorse there. "
I mean, can you believe that StudioDaily, a highly respected magazine, allowed this into print? I am dumbfounded.
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You'l get none from me. I'm heartily sick of this kind of trash. You should be ashamed of youself. Looking for an attaboy a pat on the back, oh yes you did soo good? This isn't even the correct forum for this trash. You just want a larger audience.
No, what you called him was a "Sociopathic Thief". Do you have proof that he's sociapathic? Regardless, you fail on the TOS rule of "No Personal Attacks" as well. Regardless of whether or not he's a member here you have not only attacked his character, you have tried to drum up your own personal army of support in the forums here against another website by sending people there. This too is against Rendo's TOS. No Site Wars allowed.
Frankly you're behaving as if he had somehow harmed you in some personal way and this I just don't understand from you.
As for your claims that his article is some sort of Hacker's Tutorial. That's laughable at best. There are no links to warz sites. No step by step instructions for accessing them. No tutorials on how to install and use cracked software.
There was however excellent education on dealing with Customer service reps for AV programs and how to work with them to get your system cleaned up should you fall prey to one of these heinous attacks. Also wise advice regarding the keeping of too much personal of information on unprotected computers.
I'm sorry but I really do not see his article from your perspective.
Quote - Go ahead and make the case that I LIED about this person. I called him a thief. He admits it in the piece.
"In the days of dongles, I actually preferred to download a crack instead of requesting a legitimate copy of software to review. Why? Because I hate dongles and often the PR people at the software companies wanted me to jump through hoops to get a 90-day license. "
Your case is?
And do you care to respond to the rest of the content of my posts?
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And just so you know, Libel doesn't always have to be a lie. It only has to lead someone to believe something untrue about someone else such as your Sociopathic statement.
In law, defamation (also called calumny, libel, slander, and vilification) is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government or nation a negative image.
If it is a violation of TOS the moderators can remove the thread. I admitted my mistake of actually posting the link. That was not malicious, just ignorant.
For the record I am a big fan of StudioDaily and hope they just made an oversight allowing this into print.
LostInSpace read me carefully please. I said it was a tutorial in how to innoculate against trojans embedded in warez files, not a tutorial in how to download torrents.
I don't care if no one else supports me in this thread and am not attempting to drum up a personal army. I would welcome anyone who rationally agrees with me to say so but it is no way urgent or necessary.
You can speculate on my motives all you want. I won't sue you for libel. They are as follows: I am a capitalist and an American Revolutionary. I am sickened by the erroding of respect for private property I have witnessed over the last 50 years. I have an advocacy position and stake in supporting ownership rights of intellectual property.
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Well whatever Renderosity needs to get sued a few times and realize they are as responsible as you are by allowing slander and libel to remain up for all to read. I am going to contact the man and see if I can't get him to take action. And this is a notice that this thread is in violation of law.
not exactly worried phantom3d when the guy admits stealing right in the article. and the phrase "no remorse?" That is an vital characteristic of a sociopath.
http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html
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Quote - not exactly worried phantom3d when the guy admits stealing right in the article. and the phrase "no remorse?" That is an vital characteristic of a sociopath.
http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html
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Then you might as well send the paddy wagon to every Software Journalist office that is out there. Journalists everywhere from Ziff Davis to G4 TV have used the same methods when reviewing software and have even clearly stated as much in their articles for as long as I have been involved with computers. The Journalists are sent software to review by a certain deadline that can't be met if the software can not be installed and run.
In the cases he mentioned "No Remorse" about, he was sent legitimate copies of the software to review that required Dongles or Serials that were not supplied properly and in a timely fashion for his review of said software so he grabbed a cracked version to write his reviews. Did you catch that? He had Legitimate Copies that he could not run so he chose to grab what he needed to get the job done, not just for his article and job, but also so that those software packages would have their free publicity in his reviews! This was a well known practice in the days of Dongles and anyone in the software business will tell you it was going on. This does not a sociopath make.
You can't even enterpret the english language properly. That sentence was placed at the end of the sentence about the russian guy and refers to him, wake up.
Here's the email I sent:
Hi you don't know me but I just thought you should know that your good name is being trashed something horrible in the Poser forums at Renderosity.com
I have informed them that this is ilegal, however they don't seem to care. This tends to go on in the renderosity forums often, mainly I believe because no one ever takes them to task for it.
Certain persons there are calling you a sociopathic theif, ect, so on and so forth. There was a link to your article "Cracked Film and vfx software- a cautionary tale" in the Studio Monthy magazine. Renderosity removed the link so that people could not read for themselves what you actually had to say and left all the trashing of your name in place.
OG if it were me I'd spend my last dollar to sue your pants off.
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This is the kind of person I thoroughly detest. I mean this guy should rot in jail. TOS prevents me from expressing my full excoriation in all its purple majesty.
Suffice it to say, this guy got SOME of the punishiment he deserves, but he really should suffer much much more.
Notice he has no shame, no remorse. This guy is an out and out sociopathic thief. He thinks the fact that he has displayed the partial pummeling he "suffered" clears him to have no responsibility or guilt. His only reason for mildly suggesting people not download torrents is that they could cause their own precious selves to have troubles. In the end, though, he still enthusiastically endorses stealing. His last line is "Have Fun!"
He actually had the brass balls to get upset with the two publishers of anti-malware that he abused. He GOT IRRITATED!
No sign of respect whatsoever for the owners of the property he steals. You pick up that he is ready to play the "class card" at the drop of an accusation.
You have no idea how bad I want to crush this guy. I hope every computer he ever boots up, including those of all his "friends" gets just the worst and most ingenious trojans possible and slowly melt from the inside out while broadcasting his full identity and all credit card information in the clear and he is wiped out and destitiute.
Rot, you...........................
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