Quote - If Poser 8 had the means to be able to do What DAZ AniMate does, I would not have any need for DAZ Studio. If The company that made AniMate doesn't an exclusive with DAZ Studio that would really be a big plus with Poser animators.

  

Well I was on the mac OSX beta team for animate & animate+
and i was told  by "gofigure" the makers of animate, that they made an exclusive deal with DAZ
which is why you will never see the  animate plugin even sold here in the  rosity. Marketplace
so any native nonlinear animation solution for poser will have to come from smith micro or some very talented independent programmer .

Cheers

wolf, the "animate" thing sounds pretty good.  but keep an open mind in re: poser 8 animation features.  e.g. poser 6 (OS X) can't even do animation-related python scripts, unlike later versions.

p.s.  if it takes some of these artists a few hrs to set up and render one still frame, then how long would a full-length animation require?  or, if a full-length animation is 87 min long, how many weeks would it take for one guy to do it, if it only took him 15 min per frame (final cut)?

i love poser and i think the upgrades have been super. i think poser 7 is awesome. i never did get poser pro because i can't afford the expensive programs that i would need to buy to make good use of it. i think daz has some really cool animation tools like animate and  pupeteer. plus i wish the pose room could use some of daz's tools as well. i think some of daz's figures are better than poser's but i am still fond of the poser figures and i hope they keep them around. all and all i think poser with its cloth room, material room, hair room and its own cool animation tools is well ahead of daz. i like the way daz works so well with bryce and carrara some of its other programs: mimic, face shop etc. smith micro has some fairly cheap side programs why not make poser work well with them. i fear sometime that the poser pro commitment makes smith micro feel like it has to accomodate expensive programs instead of perhaps trying to trying acquire terragen, amorphium 3, truespace and trying to incorporate with one of these to broaden posers scope and depth.

There is Vue 7, It works great with Poser 7 or below. You can run an animation though Vue 7 or a single frame. I think is much easier to understand than the awkward way Bryce has. there is no comparison between those two.

If we have any ace programers out there. Heres your chance to make  some real money if you can figure out how to dublicate a Simular system that works like AniMate that comes with DAZ. You don't have to make big and long animations to want to have such a program. I wished I was a Programer. I would didicate full time to figure it out. But I'm not a programer.

I two like some of the things that DAZ has, but as mentioned before it is buggy.

"I two like some of the things that DAZ has, but as mentioned before it is buggy."

Please Renderosity, install a Grammar Checker in this Forum!  And people, please too quite confusing there (location) with their (possession).  And if in doubt, use this little FREE downloadable dictionary: WordWeb
DPH

Quote - wolf, the "animate" thing sounds pretty good.  but keep an open mind in re: poser 8 animation features.  e.g. poser 6 (OS X) can't even do animation-related python scripts, unlike later versions.

p.s.  if it takes some of these artists a few hrs to set up and render one still frame, then how long would a full-length animation require?  or, if a full-length animation is 87 min long, how many weeks would it take for one guy to do it, if it only took him 15 min per frame (final cut)?

Hi I dont have a closed mind in regards to versions of poser beyond poser6
its that I Literaly dont need another version of poser  since the advent of
interposer pro for Cinema4D.
 
I am not sure what you mean by poser 6 "cant" do animation related python scripts"
My poser physics for P6 is Pure python. as well "Drop to Floor" and philC's stuff.
beyond these i dont need anything else.

Oh.. and artist taking a few hours to render one still frame have not bothered to learn a proper animation work flow that utilizes Compositing.

Cheers

Quote - "I two like some of the things that DAZ has, but as mentioned before it is buggy."

Please Renderosity, install a Grammar Checker in this Forum!  And people, please too quite confusing there (location) with their (possession).  And if in doubt, use this little FREE downloadable dictionary: WordWeb
DPH

David, as you've been told before, they almost never work.  It's up to individuals to either check their grammar, or overlook the grammar of others.

*"David, as you've been told before, they almost never work.  It's up to individuals to either check their grammar, or overlook the grammar of others."

And if in doubt, use this little FREE downloadable dictionary: WordWeb
DPH

I really don't want to turn this into an off-topic discussion, so, if you're so adamant about grammar/spelling/etc., why not link to the WordWeb in your signature?  That way, folks know about it.  However, it's not going to quell or curb bad spelling or grammar on the internet.  FF has spellcheck, and I sometimes misspell words, as do the rest of us.  Sometimes, I leave out a word in a sentence.  Humans do this weird thing, I think it's called making mistakes, and harping on the fact rather than being gracious usually only causes tempers to boil.

With that said, I think it'd be a great idea to add to your sigline, especially since you're such a staunch believer in the product.

Jenx -

Here's your new sigline:

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds

Thanks, Klebnor ;)

Quote - I really don't want to turn this into an off-topic discussion, so, if you're so adamant about grammar/spelling/etc., why not link to the WordWeb in your signature?  That way, folks know about it.  However, it's not going to quell or curb bad spelling or grammar on the internet.  FF has spellcheck, and I sometimes misspell words, as do the rest of us.  Sometimes, I leave out a word in a sentence.  Humans do this weird thing, I think it's called making mistakes, and harping on the fact rather than being gracious usually only causes tempers to boil.

With that said, I think it'd be a great idea to add to your sigline, especially since you're such a staunch believer in the product.

There is much truth in what you say, and I stand corrected.  I'll see about adding it to my signature.
DPH

  sounds great :)

Is this any better?
DPH

Yup

I don't know what Emerson would say but, then again, one encounters hobgoblins so rarely these days.

Except in some neighborhoods, but my neighbors might be Uruk-hai Orcs from Middle Earth. LOL :laugh:

Like somebody else mentioned I would like to see improved animation tools in Poser 8. Lets strengthen the IK system.  Circular & keyable IK would be a good start.  The ability to constrain characters hands to another character bodyparts for dance & fights sequences and build a dynamic animateable IK sequence with two figures would be a killer feature

o.k., my misteak, wolf.  I recall reading some threads in their mac forum that python scripts didn't work in P6, back when it was released in 2005.  perhaps they were just using bad scripts.

Especially when you just had 9 hours sleep in the last 2 days. There are other factors that one looking from the outside, that don't see the causes. One of the biggest reasons I don't get into Compter Programming is dyslexia. I'll get WordWeb, but I have so little time, If you get the message, sometimes that will have to do. These are all excuses, but they are the excuses I can live in certain circumstances. I see type "O's all the time. But I'd rather get the information I'm looking for, that worrying about if they were worried and didn't write because they were going to get called out on there message. Hey Einstein got lost walking around the block sometimes.

I'm glad you put WordWeb up for everyone to see, I downloaded it. Not nessecarly for quick thoughts, I write, and I am not a great speedy typest. And because of it, I write at the moment and as fast as the action takes me. I don't wan't to lose the emotion of the moment. I never check my spelling till I finish all my writing, which may take up 4 to 6 pages. I don't imedialty change the copy right then, as the next day, to clear my mind, I then read over what I had written, then proff read, and make the changes, Which there are plenty. After I complete the book, Then I have others read it before I take the next step to get their thoughts of what could have been bettersaid, or a word here and there, that may convey the thought better. 

Nothing is ever perfect. I just saw a movie called Yanks. If had some big name Actors and it was shot in England. It was shot fairly recenty. A WW2 era movie, talk about a big blunders, they showed Nucular Power plants in the background a few times, you couldn't miss them. But was the message of the show lost because of it? to some yes, to others, they were intertained.

They could have used different angles to get the shot they used. I do that when I'm animating a scene sometimes. It saves a lot of time when the alternative is hours of animating a complex scene to use and am not happy with the action, You can correct it and have just as good result with a change of an angle. This also keeps the intrest of the movie from being stagnet. Though I try not to have any Nucular Power Plants in my scene when changing the angle.

I see these thing in almost every movie. They have one or two people who check these things, that is there main job.   S... Happens!
I wouldn't mind having there budget to work with though.

I'm not upset that you called me out on it. it was my mistake. As long as others do put in their 2 cents in. If I don't understand what someone is saying, I can ask them to repeat what they ment. I have a bad habit or typing this way. Some writers can calculate everything and get it correct the first time. But sometimes those writers have everything but the passion of the moment. My Sister-in-law is that way, She tells me to use spell check all the time. She don't make a mistake in the grammer department, but creatively, she missed the boat.

That is why some people like me, lean heavly on others to correct things, like spelling, or saying things. This is what works for me. After they go over everything I wrote, Some times I over rule them, as the correct way to say somethings, loses the passion. But a spelling error is a spelling error! One thing I really like about WordWeb is they have in Wiktionary is audio of proncing words that can be hard to decifer. So, Thanks for the little tid bit there.

Hey there might be some typos here, but I'm not going to worry about it, I have to get  to the breakfast table before I starve.

proncing words that can be hard to decifer ... classic!

Quote - proncing words that can be hard to decifer ... classic!

Main Entry: 2pounce
Function: intransitive verb
Inflected Form(s): pounced; pounc·ingDate: 1744 1 a**:** to swoop upon and seize something with or as if with talons b**:** to seize upon and make capital of something (as another's blunder or an opportunity)
2**:** to make a sudden assault or approach

LOLOLOL:laugh: I LOVE English!  As Winston Churchill put it: "Never have so many people been separated by a common language."  DP--You must have some fun with it,too.  English is insanely hard for foreign language speakers, but it is apparently harder for people who speak it every day, too. (not two, or to either! Just: TOO.) :lol:

yeah, that was a line that appeared in last week's economist - given that they're separated by a common language, the british sense of humour doesn't translate well, either. :lol:
but that's what british ballet stars do on stage - pronce about to tunes by chaikofski (sp).

I know that at various times I'm an Irritating Idiot, even possibly a Mendacious Moron on certain occasions, but it is all meant in a light hearted way.
DPH

Verb: pronounce  pru'nawn(t)s1. Speak, pronounce, or utter in a certain way
"She pronounces French words in a funny way"

• articulate, enounce, sound out, enunciate, say
   

1. Pronounce judgment on

• label, judge

Derived forms: pronounces, pronounced, pronouncing

See also: pronouncement, pronunciation

Type of: adjudge, declare, hold

Encyclopedia: Pronounce

I just hope SM has learned from the success of tools like PoserPhysics, PhilC's Toolbox, faceoff's Realism kits, bagginsbill's VSS, and various other Python scripts.
SM should not even try to make all possible improvements mentioned in the survey by themselves. They should just enable the talented Python scripters to write those improvements. That means exposing the full wxPython through PoserPython, a fairly trivial operation which would tremendously increase Poser's value.

These days, a 3D tool that is not fully scriptable/programmable is not a serious 3D tool.

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Hi its good to hear a fellow animator in this thread.
yes I agree that as good as aniMate plus is  I still find it necessary to start my animations in poser 6
and use aniMate+ to assemble the pieces  together smoothly before exporting an animated PZ2 that I can use on a figure in Cinema4D.
and personally I still find poser physics quite valuable for those time when I need a natural looking figure fall/ collision
so good old poser6 will likely always have a useful place in my tool set along with DAZ studio
but only as a means to get figure content into my main production app Cinema4D R11.

Cheers

I may have misread your reasoning, but just so you know, a new version of Poser Physics was released that works in both Poser 7 and Poser Pro.

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I may have misread your reasoning, but just so you know, a new version of Poser Physics was released that works in both Poser 7 and Poser Pro.

Where?  I had Poser Physics on Poser 6, but my life went to hell after I after upgraded to Poser 7 (NO, it wasn't caused by POSER dammit!) and I never had a chance to upgrade. Heck, I don't remember when and where I bought it at this point. :(

it seems to me that smith micro does seem to be trying to do a jig with vue. still vue is expensive. i consider it one of the less expensive proposer biggies that micro smith is trying to woo. i think bryce is a great program and it lets u use a daz plugin that  lets daz animations fit right into the the bryce program. similar things i understand will be happening with the new carrara, i don't think daz is nearly as good or as professional as poser. but sometimes i fear poser may not want to compete as a professional program and instead be more of a plugin for the big boys and let daz take the amateur market.

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I may have misread your reasoning, but just so you know, a new version of Poser Physics was released that works in both Poser 7 and Poser Pro.

Yes  I saw it in my downloads page over at CP
but I dont need the update as i will never be updating to poser 7 or poser pro
since neither offer anything useful to my workflow.

Cheers

I think there has been enough inuendo supplied to  sufficiently let us know that it's kinda late for making wishes.......

However i do know  that PRICE  is something that can  always be arranged on the fly. So this sumbitch  better be free for those of us losers who paid over a buck fiddy  for P7  less than a year  ago!!!!!!!

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**AniMate Plus Overview

Anyway for those curious here is a short video overview
of some of the Many new features of Daz's aniMate+

Cheers

Quote - **
**AniMate Plus Overview

Anyway for those curious here is a short video overview
of some of the Many new features of Daz's aniMate+

Cheers

thank you for the adverts. Enough already. we get it.

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thank you for the adverts

No problem friend, glad to be of service

Cheers

Quote - **
**AniMate Plus Overview

Anyway for those curious here is a short video overview
of some of the Many new features of Daz's aniMate+

Cheers

Very cool! Thanks Wolf359, I hadn't seen that yet.

Coldrake

Sorry, OT.

Quote - English is insanely hard for foreign language speakers, but it is apparently harder for people who speak it every day, too.

English is one of the easiest languages to learn, as a foreigner. :) Try learning Japanese, where pronunciation often depends on your gender. (I did a little bit, but forgot pretty much all of it again.)
And I actually don't find it so strange that native speakers have more trouble with English than foreign speakers.
We don't grow up with bad habits. We grow up with bad habits in our OWN languages, instead, which are quite possibly better spoken/written by non native speakers, as they were taught properly from the onset. (The same way we learn English.) It works both ways. :)
I'm still looking for a good course in Gaelic. :)

Okay back to the topic. :)

My one wish is that Poser remembers where an external runtime lives. If I change a texture, I'm kinda tired of having to navigate to my external runtime every time. It would be great if you could just specify a starting directory, where the actual runtime lives. (As it currently always starts off in the P7 folder, which, in my case, lives on another drive.)
Another is an improvement to how shadow cams work. Currently it's just a pain to use them.

I don't really animate, so I couldn't say what is needed there, but the few times I do... It would be nice to be able to insert a new (blank) frame delete frames where you fudged up. (If there is a way to do it... I clearly dunno how. :))
I often forget I'm in frame 27 and insert a light... and obviously it's not there in frame 1. Argh.
It's little things that bug me.

I'd LOVE to have "floating" toolbars. Or one toolbar where you click on whichever tool you need (i.e. document settings / translate settings etc) and get a dropdown of sorts, from a floating TB, rather than having it on the GUI, and burying the dang thing under the render window like I often do.
The library on a floating TB would just be... wow. I'd love it. (I'm sure many others wouldn't)
I'd like to see the library taking up much less screen space when it's closed.
I'd like to see the camera gui thingy embedded into the render / pose window with the different camera switches, rather than just the pull/push/rotate it currently has. I switch a lot between cameras, but I tend to do it by clicking, rather than shortcut keys.

Just a few little things. :)

Quote - I just hope SM has learned from the success of tools like PoserPhysics, PhilC's Toolbox, faceoff's Realism kits, bagginsbill's VSS, and various other Python scripts.
SM should not even try to make all possible improvements mentioned in the survey by themselves. They should just enable the talented Python scripters to write those improvements. That means exposing the full wxPython through PoserPython, a fairly trivial operation which would tremendously increase Poser's value.

These days, a 3D tool that is not fully scriptable/programmable is not a serious 3D tool.

i think Bagginsbill could  all do this but i think he wrotte that the interface is not good. or the UI?
i dont know anything about that i just remember that he mentioned something. maybe he could explain it.

I think Poser 8 needs a whole new render engine and new lights. At least that would be at the top of my list and unless I read that it can do proper raytracing and have lights that are competitive with other program's lights, I won't even bother with it.

I personally don't care about the interface one little bit. There is alot I would do differently with the interface if it were up to me, but I'm used to it by now and so is everyone else. There are far more important things they need to spend their time on. Although I'm not confident they're not going to waste a bunch of time on that. (After all, it was in that wicked survey they posted here. I believe there will be interface elements implemented to assist with finding one's Content Paradise crap, which, IMO, will be a serious waste of time. I hope I'm wrong about that.)

I would like to see the camera trackball and other tools be replaced with more industry standard navigation ability, such as Alt+LMB, Alt+MMB, and Alt+ RMB for rotating, panning and zooming, plus have the ablity to dolly in with the scroll wheel on its own.

I also think Poser 8 needs to have a separate 64 bit version that is also fully multi-threaded, to beter deal with the more common use of higher res textures and geometries. How many of you are aware that when you're rotating your camera around, zooming in and all that, most of the OpenGL is being handled by your processor? Yeah, that shiny new $400.00 GTX 285 isn't doing much in Poser.
So IF all four cores of a quad core were being used and IF the GPU was also being used, Poser would be quite a bit faster. And the GPU could also be used to assist in the actual render.

However, I think Poser would need a whole new, modern code base to include my suggestions, so I'm not real confident.

Oh and how could I forget....

It also ought to have the ability for subdivision surfaces, which would enable the possibility for true micro-poly displacement, instead of that faked displacement it has now.
But for that it also really needs to be completely 64 bit, to better deal with the additional memory needs such a thing could create.

And CP could then create alternative low res meshes for use in Poser, and probably do pretty well with selling them.

I wonder what will happen if Poser 8 is released without a companion Poser 8 Pro.

While I'd love new features or enhancements, I can't imagine going back toa strictly 32 bit renderer thats slower then what I have on poser pro now.

imagine the reaction is poser 8 had all of the features of poser pro7!!

That would be like buying a new car at the beginning of the year that only had one color scheme, and a radio, Then the next year coming out with the same car except it had 3 color schemes, and a CD Player.

I think of Poser 7 and Poser Pro, in the same vain as Adobe AfferEffects CS3, and AffterEffects CS4. A boost in Preformance and capabilities brought to a new level. But to not add something else to the table, and not adding to something that they allready have, would be like asking people to buy a product that the ones who hadn't bought the Pro version all ready, will surly not buy now!

Quote - imagine the reaction is poser 8 had all of the features of poser pro7!!

Don't think it will have every feature from Poser Pro, like the export ones may be missing. Others will probably make it, wouldn't make sense to leave them out.

I'm still wondering what EF was thinking when they started working on Poser Pro, but it sure isn't going to win over any pros. I wonder if they even sold enough copies to regain their development costs. Seeing the lack of service releases seems like SM isn't all that much interested in Poser Pro at all.

I wouldn't be suprised if they would drop the Pro version altogether and move most features over to Poser 8. I don't think they'll get that many complains, we Poser Pro users seem to be the greatest minority amongst all of the Poser users.

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I wouldn't be suprised if they would drop the Pro version altogether and move most features over to Poser 8. I don't think they'll get that many complains, we Poser Pro users seem to be the greatest minority amongst all of the Poser users.

I wouldn't be surprised if they dropped Poser entirely. Or more specifically, sold it.
Poser 8 will be released, maybe by summer this year, and by fall we'll read about the next company that it got unloaded on... I mean, decided to buy it. ;-)

It IS something of a hot-potato amongst the 3d CGI crowd.:laugh: With chives, sour cream, and a pat of butter,too. LOLOLOL

The first release of PoserPro's SR1 is here: www.contentparadise.com/forums/showthread.php

Quote - It IS something of a hot-potato amongst the 3d CGI crowd.:laugh: With chives, sour cream, and a pat of butter,too. LOLOLOL

The first release of PoserPro's SR1 is here: www.contentparadise.com/forums/showthread.php

Which was released almost a year ago..... enough bugs reported after that, nothing happens, shows clear enough how much SM cares about Poser Pro.

Imagine Poser 8 being released. We all know at least 3 service releases are needed to get it working (as good as possible). SM manages to release one a year, it will take 3 years before you can even really use P8. Or worse, they will release just on SR, as they have done with PP, then you can't even really use P8 at all.

i agree with aeilkema

I don't mind the firefly engine...and  i wish  that firefly could run through its calculations, but at the same time have only a setttable amount of resoures apportioned  off to it ....
so  that you could work in all the other Poser functions  with the  firefly  working in the background.
OK yes I am a total  novice about what I am trying to express right now .....

but I hope it is making some kind of sense.
i hate having Poser totally locked up and comitted to  the render while i am running test renders.

I would not mind  if what I am asking for extends my test  render time  from  2  minutes to  10 minutes,  as long  as during those 10 minutes  I could be working in the pose room , or some other room , or whatever,  with the render  cooking in the "background" I guess  it would have to remember all of the input data at the time the RENDER command is clicked, so you could go  do other work in poser while it is rendering your scene. why can't you save a certain static moment of your .pz3  and tell firefly, hey no matter whatever the hell I am changing about the pz3 right now, dont worry about it, render the static info that i specified.

I might want to area render something,  and while this is happening,  use the time to go  fix some completely different other shit not related to the particular ara test render

for me this is the one holy grail  of conveniences that what would make the poser experience much better for me.

I am not a calm  and relaxed person. and at the same time, I cannot go  find something to do during those waiting periods during render.

santicor,

I don't have Poser 7 with me, but I know Poser Pro has "Render in Background' and the "Render Queue" where you can pile up a bunch of background renders.

So Firefly can do that. If Poser 7 doesn't , well that's one of the differences to the "Pro" version, isn't it.

By the way, all this complaining about the "Pro" moniker is silly. I have a "Pro" camera, and I'm not a professional photographer, and I know "Pro's" who use consumer cameras, too.

The "Pro" version is the one (of anything) that has every feature the company makes, and the non-Pro does not, offering a less-capable alternative for people on a budget.