2 weeks only

And I'm NOT very happy about it. I paid the full price, put up with all the builds/patches and now they've reduced the price, just after it's finally finished. I won't be buying the next version straight away,if at all, but wait till the price is reduced.   :-(

I'm waiting for this to happen with vue.  :-)

Can't you say something BEAUTIFUL and RIGHTEOUS for a change, man?
Jeesh :p

Hm, seem how many pennies I have left for this as I'd been wanting GeoControl as I find World Mahcine not very user friendly..and I am REALLY lousy at terrains :D

Or shut up forever?

I purchased it last week Friday, full price of course :bored: :rolleyes:

Mazak

Boys, behave, or do I have to call your mamas......??!!!

Mazak

Looks cool!
I just bought it for 89$!

Excellent image SilverBlade.
The movie was aired on French TV last Sunday.

Olivier, I've seen your tut at C3D. I just imported one of the preset terrains that come with GC2, with 2 erosion maps. They are called differently, but when exported, they are 100% the same. And when I use the map as a mixing function in Vue (object parametric), it looks wrong. The masp are supposed to be sediments flows, but when used in Vue, it separates the terrain in two halves upper and lower halves, while the upper half does show some of the sediment, the lower half is wrong, material is applied to both rock and erosion.  The bmp, set to automatic or flat does the same.
I'll try and post some screengrabs later, might be easier for you to see what I mean.

Just a question: is now the program completely working (last time I tried the demo, the projects tab was not yet implemented)?

Bye!!!

P.S.: a dream: E-On buys the rights to GeoControl algorithms, implements them within Vue and throws away the current terrain editor... E-On teams with XFrog developers and creates an XFrog-like plant engine and throws away the current one... :mad:

"Just a question: is now the program completely working (last time I tried the demo, the projects tab was not yet implemented)?"

I have GeoControl 2 and as far as I can make out it's completely finished; that is the 'projects tab' now works. Just the occasional crash, but what application doesn't crash sometimes. ;-)

"P.S.: a dream". Yes wouldn't that be nice.  ;-)

Yeah, that would be great if vue went the same way with its pricing and feature list as Geocontrol.  They would get a lot more sales.

And Bruno/Silverblade your comments are right back at you.  Why don't you SHUT UP!  And stop trolling my posts with your negative comments to me.  You can't really be that stupid.  Can you? lol  You guys are real jokes when it comes to critical examination of a software's history.  Glad to be not you.

Sure I can!

Quote - Olivier, I've seen your tut at C3D. I just imported one of the preset terrains that come with GC2, with 2 erosion maps. They are called differently, but when exported, they are 100% the same. And when I use the map as a mixing function in Vue (object parametric), it looks wrong. The masp are supposed to be sediments flows, but when used in Vue, it separates the terrain in two halves upper and lower halves, while the upper half does show some of the sediment, the lower half is wrong, material is applied to both rock and erosion.  The bmp, set to automatic or flat does the same.
I'll try and post some screengrabs later, might be easier for you to see what I mean.

If you use mixed materials, go to the Influence of Environment tab and uncheck "distribution of materials dependent on local slope, altitude and orientation". I think it is the cause of your problem.

No, was off already. Thanks.

I think the real point is a trend in software sale is starting. 

Most consumers have time on their side when it comes to software purchases, so waiting before buying is better than rushing in to pay the inflated price.

Can we all agree that saving our money is good?

It's not completely finished, a far too large part of the help files, even the help that comes with the new options still describes items that were in version 1 but have been removed in version 2.
My built 41 still insists it's beta but projects finally work. Bought it in bits over the last few years, which also meant I was able to use it over the last years, not being patient just costs a bit more.

Offrench,
aye it's one of my fave ever movies!! :)
"Woof woof! that's my other dog imitation!" :D

As for GeoCOntrol as Vue's teerian editor, ok guess I'm gonna have to buy it while it's os cheap as I've been interested in it for ages, but..can it do "brush" painting ont he terrain, as that IS a nice feature you know, as I build terrians ot fit in odd ways by using tht brushes.

CobraEye,
look, opinions are like sphincters, everone has one!  :tt2:
You're entitled to yer opnion, but youshow nothing to back it up, please show us recent artwork, tutorials etc to show you know what yer talking about, ok? lacking that the folk have every right to rdicule or ignore you.

Go see EVERY other piece of software out there and see if they are "perfect", they damn well are not.
Blender - UI from hell, it' sos bad they are working on it a as known issue.
Bryce - been left in limbo for about 7 years now.
Autodesk owns 3 of the biggest apps and wow has THAT been an issue...
Lightwave is good, btu ti has issues too, may folk wanted htem to buy Worley out.
Rhino is way too expensive for a pure modeller

etc etc.
So, get real. Earn respect by DOING. I've often disagreed with Alex, but also acknowledged he actulaly has good points at times AND is damn good at his art.

Silverblade,

Geocontrol 2 does not use brushes.  It uses isolines; which when you get used to it is better IMHO.  Geocontrol 1 used brushes.  If you have some time, go to their website and look at some of the video tutorials on how the isolines work.  See below:

http://www.cajomi.de/Download/isotut1c_1.wmv

John

Silverblade, seeing we're doing a reality check here, can I say something? Please, but PLEASE, can you check your typing before making a post. I just haven't got the time to decipher your typos.

"vue's teerian editor", "os cheap", "using tht brushes", "yer opnion" and countless more.

Dear Siverblade,
isolines are a fantastic tool to outline general terrain structure: compare isolines vs. brushes as NURBS vs. polygonal modeling.

B.T.W., I think that the real reason to get GC2 (next week ) is that its erosion tools are fantastically realistic, so it is an important tool for scenes where you can see the ground. If the ground is covered with vegetation, you can perfectly do with a medium/low resolution standard terrain.

Unfortunately, do not expect so see in Vue the same sharpness you will see in GC; if anybody here owns also Bryce or Carrara, they are going to really appreciate GC results.

Quote -
I've often disagreed with Alex, but also acknowledged he actulaly has good points at times AND is damn good at his art.

Thanks a lot. I cannot imagine a better compliment than "he is an asshole, but he knows what he is talking about" :thumbupboth:.

Bye!!!

P.S.: residual typos intentionally left for solidarity with Silverblade...

JCleaver,
thanks for the info! :)

Vege-Mite,
a) sorry bud, but I'm sick, soem days are better, or worse than others. Imagine typing with the worst hangover you've ever had, and your knuckles feel like you'vee been punching a wall, and you'll kind of get why my typing sucks ;)

b) You cannot go back and edit a post after about 5 minutes or so, which sucks.

c) Sorry! :)

D) II'm often posting or reading on half a dozen forums or sites, and/or doing art, real life stuff at same time...with my creaky brain, it's a bit of an overload, hehe

Alex,
hm...interesting.
I bought it...on top of the maintenance plan recently to get 7.5 and cheaper upgrade to v8 when it comes out...ouchies!! :/
Ah well, best grab such things cheap when can. I can spend time in months to come to learn the dern thing!! :p

hehe, no worries bud ;)
Everyone does have the right ot an opnion, I just hate it when folk talk totally wrong crap, and/or just keep coming back to snipe and ruin folk's day...yeesh. There's just no need for it, if someone doesn't like Vue, fine, enjoy life and don't rain on our parade.

It's like politics, just because someone isn't on "your side" doesn't mean they HAVE to be wrong / scum / idiots. This should be apparent to any adult.
Very annoying when you meet someone who's politics you abhor...but really like them as a person, lol!!

I don't get that kind of attitude at all that CobraEye shows.
I still post in the bryce forum now and then, but I don't do it to be a twerp to them, they love Bryce, I used ot love it, it's still a good app, but IMHO, Vue is a lot better...so what?
Long as folk like their app and it lets 'em do good work with it, who cares? I still can't do stuff as good as Martin Murphy did 10 years ago with Bryce!!!

sings the Internationale, with typos!! :D

Quote ......."Vege-Mite,
a) sorry bud, but I'm sick, soem days are better, or worse than others. Imagine typing with the worst hangover you've ever had, and your knuckles feel like you'vee been punching a wall, and you'll kind of get why my typing sucks ;)

b) You cannot go back and edit a post after about 5 minutes or so, which sucks.

c) Sorry! :)

D) II'm often posting or reading on half a dozen forums or sites, and/or doing art, real life stuff at same time...with my creaky brain, it's a bit of an overload, hehe" .....End Quote

If you're that unwell; then go to bed and get over it. You can edit your post in preview mode; you don't need to do it after you've actually posted it. Using your health as an excuse, for what I consider pure laziness, is not on!   :-(

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If you're that unwell; then go to bed and get over it. You can edit your post in preview mode; you don't need to do it after you've actually posted it. Using your health as an excuse, for what I consider pure laziness, is not on!   :-(

@Vegi-mite
??? This is really unbelievable! I dont think you should have posted your original comment about silverblade's spelling, but I was sure you would apologize after hearing the explanation...You're saying he is lazy? but it's OK for you not to want  to spend a few seconds deciphering what he said?wouldnt that qualify as laziness?
He is a respected member of this community with a lot of good will and public spirit.  I'm sure the majority of people here would like to hear what he says with or without typo's. No body is forcing you to read what he said, if it's that hard for you - skip his posts. Feel free to skip mine as well - I'm perfectly capable of spelling well when I'm not lazy, but somehow I thought what I say would matter more than a few out of place letters...none of the tos rules say anything against spelling mistakes, but I'm sure it has things to say about not hurting each other.
I hope you rethink what you said and appologize. A bit of kindness and consideration could go a long way towards making this a nice place to be.
Be a man.

Wow, i was surprised myself, seeing someone talking about laziness after quite clear Silverblade's explanation...

@Vegi-mite
??? This is really unbelievable!
How about the saying, less hast, more speed and if one can't do something properly, then don't do it at all.

Yes I will ignore what Sliver Balde (I mean SilverBlade) " has to say if he doesn't consider me worthwhile enough to communicate as an Adult.
Don't forget that he lives in the UK and that English is his first language. If other non English speaking people can communicate properly in English and get it right, then why can't he?.

@Vegi-mite

Check out Silverblade's homepage to see what means when he says "I am sick" and then check out this entry on Wikipedia before talking about laziness.

Well, Vege-Mite, I have this to say.  I would rather read a post with typos, than to never have the post to read because it didn't meet your standards of perfection.

If this was a forum concerning proofreading, then you may have a point.  Otherwise, it seems a little childish to call anybody to task over typos.  Notice, I didn't mention that the word adult in your above post should not be capitalized; nor should there be a period after the question mark.  See, it all seems a little silly to me.

Probably Vege-Mite belongs to the category of "people" who, when dealing with people affected by  depression, tell them to stop moaning and get out. Well, Vege-Mite, we will wait for the moment in which YOU will be in trouble...

Bye from somebody who is "moaning" and not "going out".

"How about the saying, less hast, more speed and if one can't do something properly, then don't do it at all."

Yes dear, how about it?  If you cant communicate with people properly,  in a civilized way,  dont do it at all. Silverblade did no harm to anyone, you do, you are very offensive and hurtful.
As he explained, for him to avoid typo's is hard due to reasons beyond his control. For you to be understanding shouldnt be hard, and it is under your control.

"Yes I will ignore what Sliver Balde (I mean SilverBlade) " has to say if he doesn't consider me worthwhile enough to communicate as an Adult."

As I said, I can spell properly if I want to, but I think content is more important than polished spelling. I have my doubts if you're human let alone an adult one.

"Don't forget that he lives in the UK and that English is his first language. If other non English speaking people can communicate properly in English and get it right, then why can't he?"

He explained why. Who nominated you as judge and jury whether his explanation is acceptable?
I dont always agree with what he says, but I'd much rather read what he has to say than take notice of self nominated 'what's proper' supervisors. I'm sure I'm not alone in these point of view.
'Communicate properly'  is a matter of making connections with other people, contributing to their lives. It's about  caring how your words affect  the people you talk to, not how they are spelled.

Spelling is just a matter of convention not a holly commandment.
Are you going to ignore all Americans too because they dont spell the proper British way?

In circumstances like these, Oh how I wish we had a moderator...

"If this was a forum concerning proofreading, then you may have a point.  Otherwise, it seems a little childish to call anybody to task over typos.  Notice, I didn't mention that the word adult in your above post should not be capitalized; nor should there be a period after the question mark.  See, it all seems a little silly to me."

Thanks for pointing out my mistakes; I'll try to learn from them.
Yes we're certainly not in a 'Proof Reading' class, but having said that, I resent and so should everyone; to being treated like we're in kindergarten. A few typos, well we ALL make them, but when is enough, enough?

Capitalising "adult" was my way of emphasizing the word.

Quote - How about the saying, less hast, more speed...

Yes, I really hate it when people make typos, don't you?

"less hast, more speed..." LOL  You got me on that one.

Hey Silverblade, I hope you don`t let yourself get hurt by this cynic.

I have always appreciated your contributions  and it feels good to read your posts. I don`t care about any misspellings.

"LOL  You got me on that one." Now, don't tell me that "LOL" isn't in the English Dictionary and that "LOL" should have a full stop after it.

This is one time I really really wish we had an "ignore" button on this site. 

out of the two of you (Silverblade and Vege-Mite) I know which posts I'd rather be reading - typos and all. 

I am considering the purchase of GC2. I would really like to hear more about it and how it works with Vue.

This thread has gotten a little off track!

For example, will it run on 64 bit Vista?

Quote - I am considering the purchase of GC2. I would really like to hear more about it and how it works with Vue.

This thread has gotten a little off track!

For example, will it run on 64 bit Vista?

Yes it run on (my) Vista64

Mazak

"This is one time I really really wish we had an "ignore" button on this site."

Include me in on that wish. It would solve a lot of problems. I wouldn't have to read posts by illiterates.

GC2 runs fine on my Vista 64 bit machine. What it will do is generate height maps that you can use in the Vue terrain editor, either in normal or procedural terrains. The interface takes a little getting used to, but once you figure it out, it's easy enough to work out how to generate the terrain you want. It can also produce meshes in .obj format for use in other apps.

And a important note it has no multi core support!

Mazak

Thanks Mazak and spedler,

I was wondering about the obj export. That would be important.

If you don't mind, I was also wondering how the activation was handled when you purchase from C3d?

Charles

Here I have collect some important tutorial links:

http://www.cajomi.de/Forum/forumdisplay.php?f=49

http://www.perpetualvisions.com/new-articles/tut-gc2-vue/tutorialgc2-vue.html

http://www.virtual-lands-3d.com/geocontrol-2-vue1.html

Mazak

Vege-mite, your posts in this thread are really stupid. You could've said what you had to say in a more civilized way. And Silverblade is very well known and respected here, and we know that his sickness is more than just a cold.
If you have problems reading forum posts that contain typos and misspellings, I suggest you permenently log off from the internet.
You really should apologize for attacking Steven so hard.
Until then, I'll happily push the "ignore Vege Mite" button.

Also you might want to slow down yourself and look up the word haste......

Vege-Mite
I'd rather not have a fight over this, and stick to the original point of the post. 
If you wish we can start another thread to deal with this issue like adults, ok? :)
It's not as simple as you think.

I already apologized and explained.
Alas, I'm sure other folk here soffer worse than me from illnesses that afflct them, but please read my own thoughts on this issue and you may get the point:

http://www.silverblades-suitcase.com/mecfs/mecfs.htm

But no worries, enjoy life and art :)

Vege-Mite,

Actually, and this has been scientifically validated, we (most) humans can fill-in spelling and grammar gaps with amazing accuracy and ease. So, the evolution of that specialized speech/grammar part of our brain must be due to the importance of a natural interpretive algorithm, over a precise expressive capability.  In other words, Vege-Mite, perhaps being overly annoyed by a laps in spelling or grammar, represents an underdeveloped capability to easily interpret imprecise expression -- written or verbal form, in yourself?

To wit, what silverblade33 has to say -- the engine of his discussion, counts far more than the esthetics of the vehicle that the engine moves. Our incredible ability to easily interpolate misspellings and other grammar glitches had/has a much greater survival value. Hence, a much greater value.

Vege-Mite; chill out!

Interestingly (and massively OT) provided the first and last letters are correct and there are the correct number of letters in the word, it's readable even if the rest of the letters are gibberish.  Weird but true.

Back on topic.  I have GC2 and it's brilliant for creating terrains.  The isoline feature makes it very easy and with the whole project thing being active in the latest build, you can create some amazing looking things without having to fiddle around with DEM files etc.

Yes, back on topic...

I purchased GC1, and used it somewhat, but when Vue7 hit the streets, with the improved terrain editing capability, I slowed down with GC1 use. I just purchased GC2 the other day from Cornucopia, and it is a vast improvement over GC1. The ability to create rivers, lakes, and roads is alone worth the price of admission.

Also, the Vue export/import seems much improved, as the resulting terrains brought into Vue have much more detail, and less low resolution "layer" effects. It's going to take me quite a while to nail all the capability of GC2 down -- actually, I'll probably never get it truly nailed down. GC3 will likely be out before I get highly proficient with GC2.