That would be me, sorry didnt know it was to be a secret.

Guess im doomed know.

/ Jonny

If you get Wardrobe Wizard, you really will get a "Make Art" button.

And it does "Make Art".

Quote - If you get Wardrobe Wizard, you really will get a "Make Art" button.

And it does "Make Art".

Wardrobe wizard just keeps sounding better and better. Now if only he supported the animedoll and animedoll/mayadollboy.

Yep, I do actually have WW.  And you are correct, it does have a 'Make Art' button.  One of the best features! ;-)

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - Isn't this fun? It's like you're in the Da Vinci Code.

translate.google.com

(it ain't that hard... ;) )

I think my Greek-letter code was kind of hard, and quite fun until somebody wrote the answer in plain English. I didn't think anybody would do that, and the others who got it didn't, but spelling it out like that is uncool so no more clues from me.

Awww.... don't take your balls and go home!  I still have no clue what you were talking about with all that greek code so not everyone got it even if it was spelled out by someone. Then again, I really don't care about all the speculation. If it has something I want when the new version comes out, I'll buy it. Hell, I bought Poser 7 and Poser Pro and don't use either of them so I still might buy it just because I'm addicted that way. I prefer my Poser 6 for now though.

Quote - don't take your balls and go home!

While I have a healthy respect for BagginsBill's balls, it might be uncomfortable if he left them here and went home.

I refer of course to BagginsBill's excellent environment sphere prop and shader globes.  It would be awkward to explain to newcomers where they came from if he wasn't around.

LMAO

I'm so glad to see people finally regaining a sense of humour around here. It's a breath of fresh air!

I noticed some of the above mentioned that users may not be able to use all of poser's features, whilst another requested that they don't change the interface.  but what if they hadda augment the interface, that poser users might become more adept with its features, some relatively unknown?

Quote - > Quote - don't take your balls and go home!

While I have a healthy respect for BagginsBill's balls, it might be uncomfortable if he left them here and went home.

Hmm, is this a hint that the Poser 8 male's name is John. As in John Wayne Bobbit?

Created by your favorite late model poser women, nakkid if a temple with a sword! :blushing:

Can't wait to see what people like PhilC and Semideu dream up with the "Greek Features!" found in Poser 8

I am sure it won't happen for version 8, but some time in the near future I would like to see a completely customizable GUI.  If I were doing it, i would make sure that one of the interface presets would pretty much match that of the classic Poser UI; thereby allowing users who really like it to continue with it.

One can only dream.

I asked for that very thing with the UI ages ago.  Yea, we still have the classic UI just not much in the way modernizing it for others!  :lol:

Quote - I asked for that very thing with the UI ages ago.  Yea, we still have the classic UI just not much in the way modernizing it for others!  :lol:

I'm curious. Did you ask for it in DS3, as well?  I mean, everyone's always criticizing Poser's UI. Well, I think DS's UI sucks. Where's my classic Poser UI for that?

They're not in the same category at all.  I'm not a big fan of D|S but you can certainly customize the interface in vastly more flexible ways than you can customize Poser's.

 Maybe, but I want the Poser Interface, because that's what I'm used to.

I realize you're trying to be ironic, but that's a pretty dumb example.

Quote - That would be me, sorry didnt know it was to be a secret.

Guess im doomed know.

The Masons will never let you in now. :lol:

Quote -  Maybe, but I want the Poser Interface, because that's what I'm used to.

Same here, I like classic. Got a classic house, drive a classic car and love to watch classic movies!

Well if we see it from this Point :
If the UI is starting better rendering , yes then change it , it is important .
This Sentence can be read from many viewpoints ;-D

I don't think you get either worst or better rendering from a changed UI.

Quote - I don't think you get either worst or better rendering from a changed UI.

Oh yes you could be very right here ;-) wink , its always a Point of view .
So as long as it renders better , i dont need any modern ..hem .. pink UI or shining silver with Dots .

I have found that some GUIs allows me to set up a scene the way that i want, and some don't.  Poser falls into the category of one that doesn't.  Therefore to me, Poser's interface does affect the render as the scene never actually gets set up properly.

I know that it can be done, but since I have little patience when I have other programs available I will end up switching to another program.

Quote - I realize you're trying to be ironic, but that's a pretty dumb example.

No, I'm serious. I LIKE the Poser interface. I LEARNED on the Poser interface. D/S may be the greatest 3D app ever made, but it already frustrates me when I open it up because I don't recognize any damn thing. So give me something I'm used to. Let me learn at a nice pace and if I see something that might be better, let me swap that out.

Everybody I ever talk to about DS raves about the better interface. and all they ever do is dump on Poser's. But Poser's interface is pretty intuitive for me. I remember doing renders the very first day I got it. I've never rendered a damn thing on D/S primarily because I can't even figure out where the library is and how to get content into it, much less out of it.

Quote - > Quote - I asked for that very thing with the UI ages ago.  Yea, we still have the classic UI just not much in the way modernizing it for others!  :lol:

I'm curious. Did you ask for it in DS3, as well?  I mean, everyone's always criticizing Poser's UI. Well, I think DS's UI sucks. Where's my classic Poser UI for that?

Hey, don't attack me about the DS UI,  If you want them to add in more interface options for DS then go to the forums and request it, get folks excited about it and perhaps DAZ will listen, they are pretty good about listening!! 

If (for example), an improved UI allowed things like multiple selection of figures and materials, I'm sure a lot of Poser users would gladly swallow their objections, as long as they were finally able to perform standard operations, like apply materials to more than one surface at a time.

mac

Quote - Well, I think DS's UI sucks. Where's my classic Poser UI for that?

* Err, Why would someone else be obligated to emulate Poser's UI? This isn't KDE, after all.

* If you don't like D|S's UI, then change it. Any way you want to. Add and remove menus or panes. Move 'em around or shove any part of it clear out of the main window if you like. Turn it into anything you want. It's flexible like that. Poser has no such flexibility (it does have some, but it's rather limited... I for one would lvoe to see a UI that looks and behaves like every other 3D/CG app I own, instead of having to interrupt the workflow just to accomodate it).

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Quote - I don't think you get either worst or better rendering from a changed UI.

True. Then again, Poser is starting to see serious competition in the rendering department as well. No longer can they sit back and claim superiority simply by having AOL and/or IBL... D|S 3's expansion of its interface with 3Delight has really raised the bar.

But... in a way, the UI does help with renders. Think about it: If you can more easily organize and visualize your pre-render environment, your renders tend to turn out better. If you're stuck with a maximum-sized viewport window, then rendering at a larger rez ? You missed spotting things that you could have caught and corrected before starting the render, which could have saved you time.

Even the little things make a big diff. Example? check out the Antonia thread... the rig turns out to be just a wee bit asymmetrical. Why? Because Poser truncates to three decimal places in the joint editor, but the dials (and file contents) go to six. So now somebody (well, at least two somebodies) have to go back and fix that.

UI design isn't just about making something pretty, or even making it necessarily workflow-friendly... it's primarily about consistency and flexibility. Krause's setups were pretty, and they took a stab at usability, but 1) it's usability circa. 1998, and 2) it is still rather constricting (in spite of improvements lashed onto it by the Poser coding team over the years). I commend them for their ideal in trying to bridge old and new, but seriously - this is about applications development and improvement, not historical restoration... :?

/P

(agreeing to Mac's post) Yup!!

 For the record though, I did  tell myself that this week, I was going to download DS3 and come hell or high water, figure out how to get a render out of it. Any render with do as long as i can find a figure to load  and whatever command lets me render it. I'll have to settle for  the more complicated stuff like Posing on maybe the second or third render. In fact, let me go see if i can find D/S3 now.

Windows: http://download.cnet.com/DAZ-Studio/3000-6677_4-10717523.html?tag=mncol

Mac: http://download.cnet.com/DAZ-Studio/3000-6677_4-10717526.html?tag=mncol

Quote - If (for example), an improved UI allowed things like multiple selection of figures and materials, I'm sure a lot of Poser users would gladly swallow their objections, as long as they were finally able to perform standard operations, like apply materials to more than one surface at a time.

mac

hey, Mac, I never said the interface couldn't be improved. I'm just not in favor of trashing it altogether which it seems some folks are.

Quote - Windows: http://download.cnet.com/DAZ-Studio/3000-6677_4-10717523.html?tag=mncol

Mac: http://download.cnet.com/DAZ-Studio/3000-6677_4-10717526.html?tag=mncol

Thanks Richard.

Quote - No longer can they sit back and claim superiority simply by having AOL

I haven't done that since the early 90's

Quote - can someone post now every hint form BB and the translation? i am confused and lost here .

:) 

See he is learning from the Poser marketing guys already :}

Quote - > Quote - If you get Wardrobe Wizard, you really will get a "Make Art" button.

And it does "Make Art".

Wardrobe wizard just keeps sounding better and better. Now if only he supported the animedoll and animedoll/mayadollboy.

I know he supports MayaDoll. You can request support for Anime Doll and he might just do it.

 Crap! Now I can't even start the damn thing up. I've said all along DAZ doesn't like Macs. My brand spanking new  Mac needs Open GL 1.3. I've got 1.2.

Grumble, grumble.

Quote - > Quote - No longer can they sit back and claim superiority simply by having AOL

I haven't done that since the early 90's

Heh - and I bet you did it exactly once on USENET (because the flame-fest and derision that resulted from doing so would've cured you from doing it again :) )

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Quote - Mac needs Open GL 1.3. I've got 1.2.

NVIDIA card? Probably as simple as grabbing the updated drivers for it from NVIDIA.

"hey, Mac, I never said the interface couldn't be improved. I'm just not in favor of trashing it altogether which it seems some folks are"

I'm not really in favor of trashing Poser's UI either. Personally, I don't like it one little bit, but I realise that many people are attached to it and I can sympathise with that.

However, I do feel that the UI is becoming a big stumbling block for Poser. I'm not sure how long they can carry on with the same system and still integrate new technology. I mean, let's face it.... how many other programs do you know of which still load up a bunch of .psd files to build the UI? We're in 2009 and MS provides standardised ways of building the UI, hardly any of which Poser uses. Actually, the menu bar is really the only standard windows unit in Poser that I can think of right now. Opening times for the program are getting longer as more and more .psds have to be loaded, and it's generally beginning to creak at the seams.

But as I said, change the entire UI, and we might see a Poser Users Revolution, because people like it and are used to it. Maybe some sort of dual system might be possible, but frankly, I wouldn't bet on it. Perhaps an alternate system of rooms could be used, where users could add their own UI elements and get used to it slowly, while still having the main UI as an option.

But the really difficult part of all this is that a good percentage of the users DO want to see a major UI change. So how do you keep both camps happy, and still move forward without the whole program falling down your ears?

I don't have any answers. I'm not a programmer, but I'm just pointing out that I can see both sides of it. After using Poser for 12 years, I'm heartily sick of the interface and I'd love to try something new, if they could come up with it. At the same time, it would be a major upheaval and I'd have to get used to a whole new way of doing things.

I'd be more than willing to try, especially if it meant improved functionality and workflow, but I know that not everyone would agree with me.

mac

To those who cavel that the Poser UI is hopelessly out of date, let me remind them all that Adobe's hasnt changed in twenty years. Illustrator and Photoshop look almost exactly as they did when the programs were first released.

Sometimes what works should be what works.

That may be true, to some extent.  The latest photoshop does have quite a few interface changes; but that is not my point about wanting a change in Poser's GUI.

I don't care what the GUI is like as long as it allows me to get my work done efficiently.  If a layout that is 20 years old provides that, then great. 

I don't want a change just to have a change.  I want a change that will allow me to work more efficiently.

I do realize that a drastic change without allowing one to use what they are accustomed to using can be disastrous as well.  That's why I would hope that they would 'transition' over several versions; always allowing the 'Classic' interface when possible.

I have to admit, I really like the GUI for DS.  But I don't use it as my main setup tool.  I use Poser as it is easier to integrate with Vue; and feature-wise it still doesn't quite match Poser IMHO.  But it is getting there.

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - If you get Wardrobe Wizard, you really will get a "Make Art" button.

And it does "Make Art".

Wardrobe wizard just keeps sounding better and better. Now if only he supported the animedoll and animedoll/mayadollboy.

I know he supports MayaDoll. You can request support for Anime Doll and he might just do it.

MayaDoll and AnimeDoll have the same bodyshape. If clothes are for one of them, they are fitting both.

Wasn't the current Poser interface new in Poser 3 or so? There used to be a hidden key-sequence that would get you back to the old interface, and I'm pretty sure 3 was in it (as far as I know it's no longer there).

The current one IIRC was introduced in 3, and in the preferences you could go back to the original one, which looked much like a key pad for turning off a security alarm.

Apparently, users are justifiably concerned about the new poser interface, as shown in the following:

[source: dilbert.com ("embed" button)]

lol ... that could apply whether or not there are changes, according to the replies here.

Good one!

Heh.

Actually, I would be satisfied if we could set up an animation 'room' without having to jump through hoops to get it. Or maybe more accurately, being able to create one to three 'rooms' or tabs that we could save as a custom arrangement; that way the defaults would be left as is, but those who want or need a unique UI layout for their workflow would be able to create it (being able to span monitors with such an arrangement with a toggled command would be nice, too).

Also, keep in mind that the usefulness of -any- flavor of Python is going to depend on just how much of the API is exposed for access. There was a lot of joy in mudville when Vue Infinite included WxPython, but dreams of dynamics and physics and whatnot came crashing down as some basic functions in the app were still sealed away. If they hadn't been, I feel safe in saying that -someone- would have built that particle based weather system for Vue by now! Poser has exposed a lot more of the core, but there are still a lot of things left. On the other hand, maybe the Python guru's can come up with a smoother, friendlier version of a fluid dynamics system....one that could output the resulting metablobs as mesh.  Pair that with a matching Python importer/render controller, and you =could= have import into something with a better environment/lighting system, like Vue  Inf.

Of course, if they =do= solve the issues with content management to mosts satisfaction, maybe we'll start to see more work on things the fewer have asked for. A lot of hair issues can be solved with low poly proxies (the same with cloth). If they multithread the dynamics next go around, though, that would really speed up the simulations; maybe enough for the impatient crowd to get interested. Probably too much to hope for some form of  soft body dynamics, but....... 8D

Quote - To those who cavel that the Poser UI is hopelessly out of date, let me remind them all that Adobe's hasnt changed in twenty years. Illustrator and Photoshop look almost exactly as they did when the programs were first released.

Sometimes what works should be what works.

There is one small problem in the comparison: Photoshop opens fairly rapidly, and is still rather flexible in spite of itself. It also has the blessing of a consistent UI across the whole app. You (the user) can arrange the tools any way you want to. Note that no one is (at least I'm not) harping on the aesthetics... almost every complaint has to do with technical and usability issues - flexibility, resource usage, cruft/legacy issues, things like that...

The OS (any OS) has tools and optimization for their respective UIs now - that would be a good place to start. D|S gets away with using Qt for its UI because Qt is rapid, flexible, cross-platform, native API-friendly (be it Windows, OSX, or Xorg/XFree86), and light on resources. Poser has no such love, because its framework and rationale is based on the needs from the mid 1990s, when operating systems were barely starting to evolve on the UI front, and every app (especially those ported from DOS or MacOS < 6) was pretty much on its own (and had those crap and unscalable16-bit color --if you were lucky-- bitmaps to prove it).

In Poser, the UI is (at least IMHO) affecting the performance of the app, and it always has. Long load times, harsh image refreshes, and the ungodly high demand for system resources stand out as biggies. (...remember the old tweak to replace the 'running man' animated .gif with a blank image on the progress bar in P4/PPP - just to help move things along? I bet Poser 7 could even be similarly boosted if one could hex-edit out a lot of the UI visual elements...)

Long story short? Maybe it's time to revisit the thing and see what could be done to clean it up.

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Quote - I don't want a change just to have a change.  I want a change that will allow me to work more efficiently.

Agreed. Change for its own sake is where the Office 2k7 "ribbon" came from. We honestly do not need any of that.

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Quote - Actually, I would be satisfied if we could set up an animation 'room' without having to jump through hoops to get it. Or maybe more accurately, being able to create one to three 'rooms' or tabs that we could save as a custom arrangement

An even cooler idea (IMHO) would be to split some of the 'rooms' off as their own executables, so that a user who doesn't use certain rooms could launch Poser without having to load unused stuff (e.g. dynamics, or animation, or the face room, or etc), where it would otherwise just eat RAM and CPU cycles without any noticeable benefit to the user. Sort of like how D|S gives (gave?) 3rd-party codemonkeys the option to write their goodies as separate executables that don't load into memory until/unless they are needed and called from within the main app.

>> "Photoshop opens fairly rapidly,"

CS4 Photoshop and Poser open at about the same speed on my MacBook.

Quote - An even cooler idea (IMHO) would be to split some of the 'rooms' off as their own executables, so that a user who doesn't use certain rooms could launch Poser without having to load unused stuff (e.g. dynamics, or animation, or the face room, or etc), where it would otherwise just eat RAM and CPU cycles without any noticeable benefit to the user. Sort of like how D|S gives (gave?) 3rd-party codemonkeys the option to write their goodies as separate executables that don't load into memory until/unless they are needed and called from within the main app.

Now that's the smartest suggestion I've seen in this thread. Too bad it's too late to implement it in version 8 if they're as close to release as suspected.

Ummm - rooms you don't use do not consume CPU cycles. They don't really initialize unless you open them.

And I suspect they take very little RAM, so there's no real savings versus the headache that would entail for the developers.