Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/mod/subcom/community/vue/

Does anyone usually go to the Vue community page, link above?

I adopted the habit, a long time ago, of always entering the Vue forum through this page because it has the newest threads, selected pics, news about Vue and some useful links.
 
But, apart from the newest threads, which are automatically refreshed, all the other content doesn't seem to be updated for many months. I would say that these pages should either be frequently renewed or killed altogether. Having something obsolete online doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

So, what's your verdict? Kill it or live it?

i didnt even know it existed to be honest!

By the way, maybe many people don't know that from almost everywhere in Renderosity you can access directly to any community page. Just select the community of your choice from the dropdown menu 'Select Community', on the right hand side of almost every page.

LOL didn't know that myself! :)
hm, lot of the USEFUL LINKS stuff needs updating?

I used to take a look every once in a while but as nothing seemed to change or be updated I stopped bothering.   It could be a good place if it were given some TLC 

I also didn't know this existed. the useful links are good. Why not incorporate them into a thread at the beginning of this forum that always stays and maybe can be modified only by Fixer so it doesn't get long or go off track? That way all the links could be right here. Otherwise, it seems a little redundant.

Hi guys, this is something I've been trying to sort out with the site admins for as long as I have been the Vue coordinator!
Therein lies the problem, most of those pages can only be modified by a site moderator and Vue currently doesn't have one, I can't do anything about them as my user privileges don't stretch that far.
Now someone has started this thread, I canpoint the admins to it and say "hey, look we need to sort out the moderator for Vue because peeps are asking for stuff"
Thanks, all I can ask is, be patient and let me poke the admin a bit more!

ok... you can add my request in with the others =D  tired of seeing stale content in the backroom area....

Me too. I commented in the past (before your reign) about the frozen state of sections like the community page, challenges and the 'workshop'.  It's a ridiculous state. I stopped commenting on it becuase admin never listens.
Is it true that moderators are paid and coordinators arnt? that by itself is ridiculous (as you dont do less than some moderators), but at least they should let you do your job properly and give you all needed privileges.
Good luck

agree with ArtPearl there... paid or not, you should have the tools to do what is needed to improve not just your community, but the site overall through that community (and i dont wanna know if you're paid or not, TBH - no skin off this kitty's nose LOL)

Basically right now (to make a crude analogy), you are like an excellent secretary, expected to answer the phone, input data into spreadsheets, make copies, etc... yet - you have a phone jack - and no phone... a keyboard - but no CPU or monitor, and paper but no printer/fax/copier.... and these are the tools you're expected to use to help improve things??

another strange (maybe not) q - do all the other communities have site admins that at least visit and clean up the back areas?  if so... why are we the "illegitimate offspring" (read the B word LOL) of the community?  If not - then WHY isn't at least ONE of the individual community moderators/coordinators (whatever the title is) given the ability to update things??  Heck, even if they had one for every 2 or 3 communities. - as long as they kept up (could keep up) with things.... it would be a good thing.

some things just don't make ANY sense to me.

Well currently I'm it and there's way too much for me to do on my own to keep up with it all. I don't know why that is but I'm sure there is a reason for it!
As for pay, I do it for the love!!

you definitely need someone to help - preferably someone who can help you AND help keep up with the backroom stuff.  =/  better yet... two helpers =D

Oh - just in case it wasnt clear - I am FOR coordinators getting paid, not against. My point is that if they are too mean to pay coordinators, they should at least not put obstacles in the way and give all needed permissions.
Nominating an additional coordinator/moderator whould be even better, hard for one (even very capable) person to do everything.

In the past there was always a moderator and co-ordinator.  No one can expect you to do it all.  Why didn't they replace the last moderator I wonder ?

We're just as important, if not more, than any of the other forums here 
:b_confused:

Had no idea it was even there

Thanks.
James.

I just visit the forums and galleries on Rendo.

Hey guys, whether Coordinators or Moderators get paid or not etc... is not an appropriate discussion for the forums. 

I also just wanted to make a quick note regarding the feeling that you guys are not listened too.

I can personally gauruntee you all for what it's worth that you are listened too.

If you ever have a question, concern, or issue you feel needs the attention of the Staff or the Administrators.

You can always sitemail any Moderator or Coordinator, or alternatively If you want you can always contact the Administrators directly via email at admin@renderosity with any questions, concerns, or complaints also. 

Regards,

Daidalos

"Hey guys, whether Coordinators or Moderators get paid or not etc... is not an appropriate discussion for the forums. "

Why is that? My question was aimed at understanding the difference between moderators and coordinators. Why is it not 'appropriate' for me to know that? I can understand if you dont publicise how much you pay anyone. I can understand you'll object if I say "why is rendo paying you $xx to be a moderator - you arnt worth it". But Rendo admin  does seem to value and trust coordinators less than moderators. You dont pay them, you dont give them privilledges. Hardly the way to encourage and support them (or the community they serve).

"I also just wanted to make a quick note regarding the feeling that you guys are not listened too.
I can personally gauruntee you all for what it's worth that you are listened too.
If you ever have a question, concern, or issue you feel needs the attention of the Staff or the Administrators.
You can always sitemail any Moderator or Coordinator, or alternatively If you want you can always contact the Administrators directly via email at admin@renderosity with any questions, concerns, or complaints also. "

Well, I'll give you my impression of admin's 'listening'. I do e-mail admin once in awhile. They always answer realy quickly. Very impressive. Thank you for that. Maybe they listen. My definition of listening includes changing things to provide a solution when needed. They rarely do that.
In relevance to the issue here, vue having a moderator. I emailed admin in May asking them about it. Their answer (same day, very responsive as I said)

*Private Communication edited out by Admin

It is nearly 3 month later but we have no moderator (and based upon what thefixer said above a coordinator is not the same as a moderator).

There are other examples of admin 'listening' to me but not doing much, just some that jump to my mind

• I'm subscribed to the vue gallery, but I get e-bot notifications on a random basis, most of the time  none (I get e-bots for fav artists consistently and of course the newsletter always arrives). No solution or explanation offered.
• a couple of years ago I (and others) asked for the ability to have more than one 'gallery' & more than one genre for each image. I was laughed at, saying this is not managable. Well see zazzle.com and redbubble.com. Very possible.
• most recently I asked about the calculation of the rating - how could I get 4.7500 for 4 ratings and then 5.0000 (note the ridiculous precision) with 5 ratings. The first responce was 'go read up about statistics'. Was that considered listening?
  After a few more e-mails turns out they omit outlining rating. Throwing out one in five ratings (20% !) is not right by any logic. Applying population statistics to such tiny samples is not right. Would they listen? no. ( I dont really care about ratings, just forget to turn it off, but I was curious about the math. )

So,  I'm still waiting for  the promised moderator for the vue community. Being able to approach  admin is not a substitute. This is by no means a criticsm of thefixer, just that what you enable him to do, and the fact that he is only one guy, cant be expected to do everything all the time.

ArtPearl,

First, I have to let you know I edited out the private communications you posted in your post above {against the TOS}..I left the rest of your post intact to address some issues.

Also, questioning any member of staff about pay is not appropriate, in that it is a business matter between members of staff. Information such as this is strictly kept between staff members and will not be shared with non-staff members.

To begin with, some of the differences between Coordinators and Moderators is that Coords are volunteers when they first come on board the team. They have offered their assistance to the community because they want to help other members. They are not thought of as lesser staff, and Renderosity does trust them just as much as any other member of staff.

Coords do have permissions, however as can be understood, Moderators have a few more permissions than Coords. It is the same way in any company so I'm a bit stumped as why this is surprising?

Mods and Coords both do a tremendous amount of work, some work being done you will see, and some you will not see. They have different areas to cover, and different job duties.

As for Admin listening..we definitely do listen..we just cannot incorporate any and all suggestions into the site. Just because one suggests something, and it doesn't appear on site, does not mean we are not listening.

Emails sent to Admin are answered as quickly as possible, with the best answer we can give..and we work with the members to fix issues as best we can. Keep in mind that you may be pointed to answers found elsewhere if it can go into more detail than the admins have time to explain {such as the ratings system you spoke of}

I also would like to ask you when you were 'laughed at' when suggesting more galleries for each image?  I can assure you that you were not laughed at for suggesting such a thing..it may not have been accepted for whatever reason, but laughing at suggestions members make to improve the site is not done.

*edited for typo ^^^

As for the moderator of the Vue Forum, we do intend to have a moderator here as soon as we can, until then, other mods and coords from other areas have volunteered to help out where they are needed.

I do hope this clears some answers up, if not, feel free to email me at: jumpstartme2@renderosity.com

~Jani

• The communication I quoted was of a public nature, didnt occur to me I'm not allowed to quote it. 
  (I quoted it for accuracy, so I dont misinform the readers). If it is a private matter one or both sides should state that it is 'off the record'. This restriction will greatly reduces the usefulness of any communication with admin through emails. Shame.
• All I wanted to know is if they are paid or not, I didnt ask how much.This  is obviously not a matter between management and staff, as you yourself just stated 'coords are volunteers' (ie no pay).
• This thread started becuase several aspects of the vue community are not been carried out at all.
  It seemed as if the reason for that is (1) Moderators have the needed permissions to do theme but we have no moderator (2) the coordinator we do have has no permissions to do them.
  So my surprise is of a pragmatic nature - either give us a moderator, or enable our coordinator to do his tasks by giving him whatever permissions/priviledges needed.
• I never  implied mods/coords do not have/do a lot of work, to the contrary - I said thefixer should have help becuase its too much for one person to do.
• I gave credit before - answers are given very fast. But just syaing 'read about statistics' isnt adequate. Giving me a link to were the rating system is explained on the rendo site (and if needed extra specific links/refernces to the statistics involved would have been.
• Of course no one said explicitely 'I'm laughing at you'. But it was treated as a ridiculous/non-realistic suggestion. This happened when the 'critique group' was established.  I (and some others) suggested being able to specify a critique gallery/genre in addition to the regular specification would be a good way forwards. I guess I'll have to withdraw my statement as this happened awhile ago, I didnt keep a record of it.
• Sorry Jani - thanks for the offer, but this is a public issue, I dont see what good e-mailing you would do, particularly if I cant then report it to the rest of the community.
  Something to the effect of  'w'll nominate a moderator soon' was said in May, so saying it again in August doesnt clear the issue.
  Bottom line, I still dont know how you intend to solve the issues the OP raised.

In the interest of fairness to rendo's admin I should add that e-mail to them did yield actual results when the complaint had to do with violation of TOS.  If they didnt act on that, what would they act on... In fact that was so blatantly in need of action I shouldnt have needed to contact them, it should have been caught by the moderators/coordinators but we had none. 

Quote - - (I quoted it for accuracy, so I dont misinform the readers). If it is a private matter one or both sides should state that it is 'off the record'. This restriction will greatly reduces the usefulness of any communication with admin through emails. Shame.

It is stated Artpearl: http://www.renderosity.com/tos.php

Communications :

Renderosity provides a variety of communication tools to members. These include: forums, galleries, chat rooms, and site mail. Members using Renderosity to send spam, or unsolicited advertising information, etc will be subject to disciplinary action . Any information provided by members using these services is considered public information and is logged. Renderosity has access to these communications and will review them if needed. Renderosity will not be held responsible and/or liable for information that members choose to share via these tools. We strongly recommend that members exercise forethought and caution prior to disclosing any personal information while using these tools.

Posting private email or sitemail communications without the written consent of both parties is not allowed. 

 Artpearl I was just promoted to moderator in the Critique area, so do me a favor and sitemail me with your suggestions you said that you and others had made in the past.

Please include as much detail as possible when doing so too. A few months ago, I as coordinator made a post in there asking for suggestions to enhance that forum.
So I would actually be rather interested in hearing any suggestions you might have for that area. 

Daidalos

"Posting private email or sitemail communications without the written consent of both parties is not allowed. "

Just to explain - I guess I did know that, but I thought that meant 'private' in the sense of individual people, not admin in their official capacity. It seems perfectly justified on the personal level, to protect individuals, but ridiculous if used to  protect admin people acting  in their official capacity.
My mistake, and I apologize for it. I am not arguing and I have no intentions to do it again. But I can tell you again I see no point communicating with admin via sitemail or e-mail if I have to keep it a secret, sorry.

" Artpearl I was just promoted to moderator in the Critique area, so do me a favor and sitemail me with your suggestions you said that you and others had made in the past.

Please include as much detail as possible when doing so too. A few months ago, I as coordinator made a post in there asking for suggestions to enhance that forum.
So I would actually be rather interested in hearing any suggestions you might have for that area.  "

 Congratulations Daidalos, I'm sure its well deserved. I havent taken part in that forum for ages. I didnt think it was a good solution from the word go, but I contributed for a while to give it a chance.
I'd be happy to tell you what I remember from the suggestions and any ideas I have, but...
as I said above, if I have to keep it a secret I rather not do it at all. If you chose to absolve me from this 'official secrets act'  for the purpose of our communications on this subject please let me know.  I'll do what I can to help, but I must insist on reserving  the right to post publicly anything that is said.

As I said Artpearl, a mod will be placed here in the Vue Forum as soon as we can, but until then, there are many other mods over other areas that have offered to help Gwyn wherever he needs assistance.

~Jani

The questions and concerns in this thread have been noted and are being worked.
 

Any further questions or concerns need to be emailed to admin@renderosity.com

Thank you

Nice! Public pressure worked.  Thank you for the new moderator.