[quote]Vue crashes often no matter how much RAM you have.
My system is Vista 64-bit, quad core, 4GB RAM and NVidia GEForce G120 1GB. I still get crashes [/quote] thats what a friend said me

That's to say changing of computer won't fixe those crashes
So I have to uninstall+ install again the program...
I have to purge memories very often....
I feel so sad and this makes me crazy:

Have you those problems of crash vith Vue?

No. I have very few crashes. I have a very similar system to your friend except that I have 8GB instead of 4GB and my video card is not as good to his.
I already ran several different Vue versions in several completely different computers and I always had few crashes.

This kind of things has been debated over and over again in numerous threads in this forum (and others). Do a search and you'll see. Some people have very few crashes, others have many. Why that is, it's a mystery. However, it's the same Vue, only running in different systems. If the same Vue runs well in many systems and not well in other systems, the more logical conclusion is that the major source of problems is not in Vue but rather on the systems. Maybe poorly configured systems, maybe some specific installed software that is not compatible with Vue, maybe systems not properly cared by their users, etc, etc.

try turning the PC off form the internet, then turn off antivirus/antispam software.
that's one possible cause.

ANother more important thing to check and much easier is this as I KEEP TELLING FOLK:

very often issues seem to be graphic card related, so try these settings above in your Options in Vue! :)
 

if that doesn't help try turning off DRAW BACKGROUND THREAD, if that doens't help turn on Wireframe. If you turn TEXTURES off in that menu it uses much less resources by the way.

My suspicion is it's grpahics card/driver related plus osme other conflicts. Ndivia game cards seem fine, by th emajority, some of the Pro cards (qudro) seem to have issues. The ATI cards have even more issues, and MACs have a lot more still.
:)
 

Bugs in Vue are nothing new.  You just have to know vue's limitations or workflow to get around them.  Don't go holding your breath for fixes.  There are lots of updates to vue but the bugs are always there.  It just the way vue is.

All software has some BUGS, LOL, but my Opinion is that the Biggest Bug is the User !!!
User Crashes will account for more than anything else in any given software. So when you point your finger at Vue remember there are 3 fingers pointing back at you  **;^)
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@lior: Take your time my friend and treat Vue like the Lady she is and she will give you viewable pleasure only found in your imagination!!!

Like Rutra I have a similar set up to your friend, I hammer Vue 7.4 with multiple Poser imports with big textures and GR lighting etc. and haven't experienced a crash since it was a new app., the updates fixed any crashing I was getting IMO!
Vue 7.4 has been stable for me now for Months!

Quote - Have you those problems of crash vith Vue?

Vue works great on my 8-year-old computer with 2GB RAM and AGP video card.  If I overload the system, Vue tells me it's saving the scene as a backup and then restarts and says I have a scene I can restore from.  Vue has never locked up on me.  I have WinXP 32-bit.

I have frequent crashes in Vue still, too many to come and complain on here everytime, so I send Vue the crash report each and everytime.

My system is a Q6600 quad-core, 8GB ram, Geforce 9600GT, 3 hard drives about 2TB in total size, Windows 7 64 bit(Most stable windows I have ever used) . I never overclock, everything is updated so I really am at a loss as to why I get so many crashes.

To be honest crashes can happen for a million reasons, I can't say any other programs I have have crashed because they haven't so god knows what the problem is.

And yep I am completely confident in my PC skills lol, being half way through a degree in IT :) 

I have a feeling its related to OpenGL somewhere down the line but thats only a guess. However the crash on exit is still annoying, even though I am completely patched to the latest version of Complete.

The only thing I would say is everyones experience of Vue will be different, you can't complain if people moan about it because if its crashing for them then its annoying. Again if Vue doesn't crash for you then thats cool :) 

At the end of the day I have stopped complaining about the crashes and send off the bug reports in the hope that those issues are one day fixed.

Jon

Strange, because I have similar specs as JonJ, except for the graphic card 9800GT in my case, and I almost never crash.
Lior, are there specific types of scenes that will crash more? Poser imports maybe?
What are your display options? This is the most important part to run Vue smoothly.

Attached Link: I had a crash when importing the boat

Hi Bruno

It also happends when getting a pre-render even if I purge memories...sundunly the software refuse to react so I have to make an end of task.
My solution is to install again the software.

If my scene is without heavy clouds(if I use the default atmo) and without any water I have no problem.

What this thread is showing me yet again, is that the different versions of Vue have different levels of performance, I noticed this back in the Vue 5 days.
I had Vue 5 Esprit and it was a complete bag of spanners, impossible to do anything with. I tried for a refund but ended up getting a deal on an upgrade to Infinite which was a much more stable version than Esprit was!..Why??...Who knows, but that is how it was!
I am still seeing this on these forums, different versions of Vue 6 or 7, give different levels of performance, there is too much anecdotal evidence for any other conclusion!

Now whether that is a Vue issue or a hardware issue I don't know. I've stuck with Infinite ever since because I didn't want a repeat of the 5 Esprit debacle.

FYI, my PC specs:
Vista Ultimate 64,  Quad core Q6600, 8 Gig RAM, Nvidia 9800GT [1gig], 2 HD's in Raid 1 array.

Lior, are you using Vue 7 Pioneer?

Quote - I have frequent crashes in Vue still, too many to come and complain on here everytime, so I send Vue the crash report each and everytime.

My system is a Q6600 quad-core, 8GB ram, Geforce 9600GT, 3 hard drives about 2TB in total size, Windows 7 64 bit(Most stable windows I have ever used) . I never overclock, everything is updated so I really am at a loss as to why I get so many crashes.

To be honest crashes can happen for a million reasons, I can't say any other programs I have have crashed because they haven't so god knows what the problem is.

And yep I am completely confident in my PC skills lol, being half way through a degree in IT :) 

I have a feeling its related to OpenGL somewhere down the line but thats only a guess. However the crash on exit is still annoying, even though I am completely patched to the latest version of Complete.

The only thing I would say is everyones experience of Vue will be different, you can't complain if people moan about it because if its crashing for them then its annoying. Again if Vue doesn't crash for you then thats cool :) 

At the end of the day I have stopped complaining about the crashes and send off the bug reports in the hope that those issues are one day fixed.

Jon

I agree with most everything you said. For me, I have had good luck so far under Windows 7 64 bit, but certainly NOT the same for the Mac version. You can find a LOT of complaints about this over at the official e-on forums too.

Also, like yourself, I am more than confident in my Computer Science background and know that I have more knowledge than most people in that area in terms of programming, networking, etc. I am still learning 3D art, but my computer skills are quite well versed. Having said that, I too continue to do the same thing as you and submit reports to e-on and even sample files when it happens. However, there are a growing number of complaints as evidence at the e-on forums about them not giving any REAL support and only very basic or generic responses.

Many people over at e-on have said they are NOT going to invest in future versions until they work on fixing the issues they have now and there are many well documented ones. They want it to work and be improved BEFORE they even think about adding new features for another version.

Quote - Lior, are you using Vue 7 Pioneer?

Hi Bruno

I'm using Vue 7 xStream file version 1.4.0.289

Lior, out of interest are you sure your leaving the render long enough to render? 

Sometimes even on a quad core the computer can appear to lock up, then releases itself a few mins later. It might be worth leaving the render for 30 mins and then come back and see what is going on, if anything.

Also render to screen so you can see that something is actually happening.

Jon

I use Vue on two computers:

• Quad core Q9450 with 8 Gb of RAM and a GeForce 260 under Vista 64
• Dual Core HP laptop with 4 Gb of RAM and a GeForce 9300 under Vista 32

I have far more crashes with the laptop. Crashes with the desktop are really occasional.

Many of my crashes on the laptop are due to the lack of resources. I can barely get 1.5 Gb of Ram for Vue with this 32 bits system, even though I got rid of most of the HP crap that started at every session.

Crashes seem to occur more when: - I use standard ecosystems on very large terrains

• I have scenes with both large ecosystems AND a significant number of imported meshes
• I stop some sensitive actions abruptly (render, ecosystem population)
• I do some silly things such as using a bitmap driven displacement map on a 2048 pixels terrain.

I have had hardware related trouble with previous builds of Infinite, OpenGL drivers and my 8800 GTS board, that very few people seemed to have.

Also, objects with a large number of individual parts, such as some XFrog cacti (every spine is a separate object) or this model of the back to the Future DeLorean, slow down display a lot and may lead to crashes (even with my 1700 Mb of video memory).

Oh My! Should I be scared!!! (*just bought Vue7Pro)

My system is a bit older (*3.5 years) it is an optiplex GX745 WinXP 32-bit w 4 G's ram, and a dual core pentium, and a low end graphix card (*IMHO) ATI1300pro. Strangely I use poser7 and do large renders at a very high dpi (*350-450), and largest size is 7000 X 4600MP... which render in amazingly short time! I add this info to let you know what I am working with currently.

Am I going to be having serious issues? Will my system be good enough to work with Vue7Pro? I really would appreciate a candid response. It could be that buying Vue7Pro is an investment for a future system. I mean at the price it is a good investment (*I think).

ThanX

~A~ 

It depends on what you plan to do with Vue.

If you want to use several recent Poser characters with clothing and props in your Vue scenes, you will probably have to upgrade as with your current system it will be difficult.

Another intermediate option would be to switch to a 64 bit OS on this system and get 8 Gb of RAM.

Hi offrench!

I mainly want to use it for of course landscapes. But with the new skin plugins and such I probably will start doing poser models for sure. The die is cast and I am seeing pretty things that I want to do comming from vue!!! I do have a question, can i render individual characters w outfits in vue and save as .png files? Then reassemble in photoshop??? I have CS2, so I cannot import into PS, I do know that. But if i can export them as .png's I could set up the scene base, save it and then set up the charaters in poser, export each individually? Sound like it is a possibillity?

Well I actually am set up for 64bit, but dell talked me out of upgrading to XP Pro64 last year, and since the warrenty expires on this sytem this January I may just buy XPP64 on my own.

I think the biggest issue is the vid card, but this damn dell only has a 305watt power supply. And unless I get a larger one all else just may be mute. I do plan to push the bounderies with Vue7 as far as I can! I mean what can happen but I have to re-install the OS...? I am not going to panic too much yet. this puter never ceases to amaze me in what it can do. So time will tell and you will most likely see me post if there is a serious problem. 

Right now it will most likely be the typical noob Q's about simple stuff!!! ;)

Thank you for info tho!!! 

*I do have a question, can i render individual characters w outfits in vue and save as .png files?

*Sorry to jump in, but Yes you can!

Hi! You can jump in anytime! :) 

Well I can see that if I use the same settings on each character, and the background compilling a total work can be done, maybe take a bit longer, but that is also encouraging!!! 

Ariana

I've had Vue on  at least 4 different PC's since I started using it and have always had and still get crashes.

I'm the 'friend' in Lior's original post btw

Lior, from your render, it seems you haven't activated Vue yet (or maybe this was an older render?)
Make sure you are using the latest build.
Also, as mentioned before, the display options is the most important part of Vue's stability, Instant and Background draw threads can make Vue crash if they are set too high, I would suggest you start with low settings for both, and increase them little by little, until it crashes again. this would be your the "breaking point", and then, lower the settings a little bit.

Quote - Lior, from your render, it seems you haven't activated Vue yet (or maybe this was an older render?)
Make sure you are using the latest build.
Also, as mentioned before, the display options is the most important part of Vue's stability, Instant and Background draw threads can make Vue crash if they are set too high, I would suggest you start with low settings for both, and increase them little by little, until it crashes again. this would be your the "breaking point", and then, lower the settings a little bit.

Bruno I said

Quote - > Quote - Lior, are you using Vue 7 Pioneer?

Hi Bruno

I'm using Vue 7 xStream file version 1.4.0.289

That's to say I haven't made the update from 7 to 7.5 not yet enough money for :mad:

I've uploaded vue renders WIP to test vue 7.5 PLE...but I had the same crashes :mad:

Conclusion: I can't take the risks to buy another computer, there are members who have so stunning configurations wth win64bit...but even our friend GillBrooks has crashes too  :mad:

I get constant crashes using 4870 radeon and windows 7 this only started when I upgraded from an nvidea 8800 gt. Things that cause it to crash for me are  poser figures and especially when i move the animation timeline bar too fast.

Once it has rendered more than 4 frames I can pretty much guarrantee the scene will be stable for the whole render.

My best advise save every few minutes and if the scene crashes... reload and change the materials slightly this usually fixes for me (even if the material you change too is more resource heavy).

It may be interesting to have a straw poll to see if the graphics cards might be the reason, e.g. ATI or Nvidia!!
It has been hinted at before that the ATI cards might have something to do with it, just a thought!

Nvidia card, no crashes for a while!

Oh, Ok, I see now you were using the 7.5 PLE. What I said about display options is 100% valid for Vue7. Give it a try.
Now are you using xStream inside a host app (Max, lightwave, Cinema4D...) or standalone, or both? does it crash the same whether standalone or integrated?
And the version nbr you give is not right, it should start with a 7, but what's important is the build number, and yours should be 43993.
But you'll always get crashes, no matter what software ( I even get occasional crashes with Cinema4D which to me is the most stable program I've ever used)
I can honestly say that Vue7 is really stable on my 2 machines, Vista32 and Vista64.
But on rare occasions, it does crash.

Bruno,

I began by using the 7.5 PLE but now I'm no more in 7.5 PLE .After this I took back my  " *Vue 7 xStream file version 1.4.0.289 * "...I saw I had those same crashings.
In my " *Vue 7 xStream file version 1.4.0.289 * " without any application else that's to say as if I was with Vue Infinite7(and not7.5)
For the build number I really don't know why this number?

Question: what do you mean by:"Oh, Ok, I see now you were using the 7.5 PLE. What I said about display options is 100% valid for Vue7. Give it a try."

Suggestion: may be to have only one PC for Vue only?(without internet...)

Quote - Suggestion: may be to have only one PC for Vue only?(without internet...)

Yes, I just build a QuadCore from the ashes of my dead DualCore. I installed Vista Home Premium 64 and I do not have it connected to the internet, Although, all it takes is for me to connect the cable in my router, but it is not recommended to run Vue and be on the Internet at the same time. Vue is a RAM and Resourse Hog and doing both will slow everything down considerably. It may even make it easier to crash Vue!!!

I also have a general purpose computer and a Vue dedicated computer (plus companion software, like Geocontrol, Poser, etc). This allows me to go easy on protection software on the Vue computer (firewall, antivirus, antispyware) and make it absolutely minimal.

In addition, I almost never change anything in the Vue computer, unless something is broken. For example, I don't update drivers and I don't install hotfixes unless I'm faced with a Vue problem that needs it (which is practically never).

Also, I removed all non-vital services, all widgets, etc, and simplified the Windows GUI, optimizing it to performance to the maximum.

My Vue computer is an extremely stable environment, fast and reliable.

I agree with Rutra. Turning off those things allows more RAM and Resourses to be optimized by Vue or any other software that you use. And for the record my new Vue 7 is running great. So Far No crashes and I have been playing and building in it for one week.

P.S. and I only have 4 gigs of RAM and No Video Card yet.

Well did my tips help? :)

OK I am trying to keep up with the verbage here, and I decided to create a new thread for the dummies like me that are not following some terminology  (*if that is OK?) Please help me out , Posted the thread here http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2782196

Ariana

Quote - No, I meant that display options are very important, whatever your Vue version is (6, 7, or 7.5)
I said I understood you were using the PLE because of the Vue7 logo (which is why at first I thought you were maybe using Pioneer, or that you hadn't registered yet your Vue7)
The build number is the one that follows the Vue version. What it means is the update you are using, it's easier to know if your version is up to date using this number.
Here's a screengrab of the build number.
Hope this helps.
PM me if you need more help in french, I'llbe glad to help, or try FrenchVue.

I have build 38524, if I use your printscreen.

Hi silverblade33

It helped more than I thought  by turning off DRAW BACKGROUND THREAD

There we go then!! :) glad I could help

Quote - There we go then!! :) glad I could help

Hi silverblade33,
I sudenly have more ressouce syst than before

This is normal, and now that you have switched it off, I suggest you switch it back on, little by little, until Vue crashes again. Then you'll know exactly where the limit is.
But first, you need to update your version to 43993, you can get the update here:

Quote - This is normal, and now that you have switched it off, I suggest you switch it back on, little by little, until Vue crashes again. Then you'll know exactly where the limit is.
But first, you need to update your version to 43993, you can get the update here:

Quote - Registration Information Required!
You have requested updates for a product/version that you haven't registered.
This could happen for instance when you have upgraded a product and not yet registered the new version.

In order to download these updates, you first need to register your product/version here.

Thank you for your understanding.

Even, impossible to register ... :mad:

Sorry to hear that the latest biggest still has problems.  Vue7is very temperamental with my  stuff  when I change  materials, for some reason it seems to eat up the memory.  But on the whole V6 and V7 seem to be better than V5 ever was. 

Quote - > Quote - Well did my tips help? :)

Hi silverblade33

It helped more than I thought  by turning off DRAW BACKGROUND THREAD

I tried the same thing as you on the Mac version, but it did not help me any. The screenshot settings shows what e-on advised doing when I asked about 6 months ago. Others have said this does help at times for them, at least on the Windows version. For me, I can leave all this turned on under Windows 7 and not have the same issues as I do on the Mac most of the time (not all). I've seen random crashes when my resources are down to 30% and as high as 89% on the Mac so it's all over the map. Glad it has helped you.

Tried the options settings and everything is looking a bit more stable... however I haven't imported any poser characters as yet!

IMO its mostly hard drive related.  I have a dualcore 2.4ghz, 4gb and a 9500gt and the ONLY times ive ever crashed when was using IDE hdd.   switch to sata and watch the difference.  read-to-disk issues are prevalent in IDE, not so much in sata.  hope this helpsb someone cos i was ages figuring it out for myself, it was the LAST thing i thought of lol.

Quote - IMO its mostly hard drive related.  I have a dualcore 2.4ghz, 4gb and a 9500gt and the ONLY times ive ever crashed when was using IDE hdd.   switch to sata and watch the difference.  read-to-disk issues are prevalent in IDE, not so much in sata.  hope this helpsb someone cos i was ages figuring it out for myself, it was the LAST thing i thought of lol.

I have SATA hard drives and I still have problems, can't see how the hard drive would cause problems as mentioned.

Jon

sorry that u still have probs, both I and the friend who introduced me to vue have experimented with the same scenes on both our pcs with a different array of ide's and sata's and we never encountered any hangs crashes or mem probs with sata, but both encounter the exact same ones with ide.  go figure.

I am not convinced the problems are to do with IDE, and to be able to replicate the exact problems on different computers sounds more like a problem with the software than the IDE interface.

What tests did you run to make the problems occur? What was the problem when it occured? What was the mix of sata/ide drives and what was the spec of the computers involved? 

Jon

I never had problems with Vue and IDE hard drives.  Vue is RAM hungry.  I've been reducing the size of my texture maps (and eliminating some texture maps completely) to free up resources for some of my scenes.

Quote - > Quote - This is normal, and now that you have switched it off, I suggest you switch it back on, little by little, until Vue crashes again. Then you'll know exactly where the limit is.

But first, you need to update your version to 43993, you can get the update here:

Quote - Registration Information Required!
You have requested updates for a product/version that you haven't registered.
This could happen for instance when you have upgraded a product and not yet registered the new version.

In order to download these updates, you first need to register your product/version here.

Thank you for your understanding.

Even, impossible to register ... :mad:

A legal copy isn't impossible to register.

Quote - "This is normal, and now that you have switched it off, I suggest you switch it back on, little by little, until Vue crashes again. Then you'll know exactly where the limit is.
But first, you need to update your version to 43993, you can get the update here:"

SHHHH, but some of us dont wish to register for varying reasons;) and some are unable to for obvious reasons - anyone know of an alternative route for the upgrade?  torrent? RS, MU?  

help much appreciated.

I'm really curious as to why you don't want to register. Not wanting to register in the same sentence as the word "torrent" makes me wonder... :-/

no damn need to pirate Vue when it has a Personal leanring Edition, you know, jeesh.
I support a massive break with current idiot laws of copyright, IP, DRM etc...but that doesn't mean it's acceptable to pirate when you don't need to, or not pay for things when you can, for Pete's sake.