I have Bryce and Vue.  Bryce is pretty much dead as far as development for it goes right?

Well, I'm no pro (yet), but DAZ is staying on top of Bryce, as far as I know.  And kudos to them for making it free (I'm a Linux guy)...  And, all said, I think Bryce is some pretty amazing software, given what you can do with it, especially stretching the old imagination...

Nope it isn't dead !  I just got a tech reply from Daz this week telling me that the update to Bryce I was asking about should be available by the end of the year.  The bridge from Bryce to the DS3A.

Hi Infocentral, AnnieD, said: 
 
" Well, I'm in the for (yet), but DAZ i staying on top of Bryce, the far the I know.  And kudos to them goes making it free (I'm the Linux guy)... And, all said, I think Bryce i adds pretty amazing software, given what you can of the with it, especially stretching the old imagination...  " 
 
While the news above doesn't solidify, take advantage of what exists of good in the two tools.

Attached Link: Bryce update news

I have been asked to make an update on this thread. The work mentioned above in the original post is continuing and making good progress. 

Thanks all, 
-Hak

Software & Technical QA Lead

Quote - To summarize what has been shared so far... there is a current project that has been in progress for several weeks now to fix a variety of bugs in Bryce 6. At this point the purpose of the project is solely to correct the highest priority bugs and no release date. There is also no plan for new features or a major release of Bryce, but that is not to say that it is not a possibility as the progress and distribution of development resources are assessed.

I visited that Daz link and read the above quote as Daz's state of development of Bryce. I don't know what you read this to mean but this sure sounds to me like development is dead.  It sounds like they are willing to try to fix the current version and that's it.  Version 6 is the end of the line and if you need more or want more or wish more then you will need to take a deep breath and be satisfied with what it is.  There are no new features on the way!

Maybe the development is dead, but for me it achieves the results I want. Bryce has served me well and will continue to do so.

I say...don't use it if you don't want to...but don't knock it either!  It does the job quite well.

Well it sounds like we are all in agreement now.  Bryce is a dead end program at this point.

The good thing is once you learn it that's it.  You don't ever have to worry about UI changes or new features to learn or now how do I do this with the new version, etc.

Quote - Well it sounds like we are all in agreement now.  Bryce is a dead end program at this point.

The good thing is once you learn it that's it.  You don't ever have to worry about UI changes or new features to learn or now how do I do this with the new version, etc.

I really don't understand what you're trying acheive with this thread. Bryce has always, and will always be a specialist tool for those prepared to learn it well. Bryce, as it stands right now... even with the bugs, is easily capable of producing anything that other modern apps like Vue can churn out. The fact that most Bryce users are more of an expert with Bryce than most Vue users are, who ultimatly just click a few presets and produce a sub standard scene... why, simply because most Vue users aren't prepared to learn how to use Vue to it's fullest like Bryce users are prepared to do so. And not just Vue... this also includes any other app cable of what the two above mention apps are produced for.
Bottom line, Bryce is not dead, Bryce is far from dead. Even if Daz don't persue the upgrade avenue, Bryce will still be used when Vue reaches version 20. You just cannot kill off Bryce.

Quote - Well it sounds like we are all in agreement now.  Bryce is a dead end program at this point.

The good thing is once you learn it that's it.  You don't ever have to worry about UI changes or new features to learn or now how do I do this with the new version, etc.

No, we are not all in agreement...and, like dhama, I don't understand where you're going either..nor why.

Maybe it's a case of having just spent an awful lot of money on Vue and realising it's not an instant 'I win' button, he feels the need to tear lumps out of Bryce to paper over that nagging doubt in the back of the mind that wonders whether it was worth it - buyers remorse I believe it's called.

I could be wrong, it could just be a community baiting post but, benefit of the doubt and all that...

where's the Cardinal when we need him?...;)

I just saying it is what it is and the company that owns it has stated, that's it...period.  You will get a bug fix and no firm date on that either.  The problem is where I am going with this, the problem seems to be one of acceptance or the lack there of.  Development has officially ceased!

Great thats that sorted then, thanks for dropping by it's been a blast!

a software with so many years and thousands of images in so many themes and styles, still being used daily. Hmm, guess i must be dead too. Please send flowers.

just because there hasnt been an update in several years doent mean you cant use the pencil, thats just wooly thinking!

Perhaps you could post a link to the official Daz statement saying that they've stopped the development of Bryce, you seem to have access to some concrete evidence that the rest us here have yet to see. Please share it with us then we can all agree that you're right, because currently what you're saying doesn't add up - if Bryce is genuinely dead then why channel time and resources in to a bug fix, why not just leave it as is and spend the money on software they're actively developing like Carrara or DS? It's just not a sound business plan to me. I mean just recently I had to scrap my car (sniff...), I didn't pay to get it fixed up and repaired before scrapping it, it went to the great car park in the sky as it was, so I'm guessing that Daz may have something in mind other than putting it out to pasture.

A) I was a Bryce user of rmany eyars, it starte dme  in 3D :)

B) I now use Vue though, and yes, Vue vastly out performs Bryce currently.

C) But like, um, respect...tact, you know: them old things? ;) Old rule of life, don't pee in another man's beer! :D

D) Still down to user's skill plus what they enjoy using. I own lightwave and XSI...both in ways are much more powerful than Vue is...but I don't like using them as much (In fact, only one of the top end apps that doesn't annoy me ot death is Lightwave).

E) I've heard repeated snippets about Bryce 7 being developed??
:)

Common sense tells us that because DAZ are still developing the Bryce to DS bridge, it is certainly not dead.  No company is going to spend money on developing a product they have no intention of continuing to develop.

Therefore, my opinion is that Bryce is not dead.

If Bryce was to truly die, it would be the greatest software tragedy of modern human history, brought about by total ignorance, stupidity and lack of common sense.

To have one of the greatest, if not THE greatest, 3D apps go extinct, would simply be beyond comprehension. It would trigger the dark ages of digital art as the spirit of millions of happy artists gets crushed and mangled beyond repair, and a river of tears and melted dreams runs across our Earth.

 Heres my two cents .  I look at Bryce as a tool.  To say that bryce is dead is like saying that my oil paints are not  working too good and that their manufacture should develop them more. Perhaps  then my art work would be so much better.

Quote - Perhaps you could post a link to the official Daz statement saying that they've stopped the development of Bryce, you seem to have access to some concrete evidence that the rest us here have yet to see.

Well then open your eyes.  The link is the given me in the fifth post from dan about Bryce update.  I believe the post I quoted is the very first one so you shouldn't have to look too hard.  All the information I have been given has come from this forum, this thread.  Thanks all for the information it makes my decision to continue with Bryce so much easier.

 If it is true that Bryce is no longer in development, well....all that means is that Bryce is no longer in development.....not that it is dead! The only case where Bryce can be considered dead is when the last person using it decides to hit the quit button and move the app to the trash can. Then, and only then, can Bryce be considered dead. Last time I looked, there were thousands of Bryce users active all over the world.....so I think that our beloved app is far from dead.

From the posted thread:

"...We're still moving forward with bug fixes and there has been some decent progress made on them, as I'm sure some of you have noticed in the bug tracker with all of the status changes..." (5/20/09) 

"...There is work being done on some bugs and issues. I believe there has been some statement by product management or marketing in one of the featured chats that there will be some announcements for Bryce in the not too distant future..." (6/12/09)

Where exactly does it say; "...Bryce is pretty much dead..." and that; "...the problem seems to be one of acceptance or the lack there of.  Development has officially ceased!" ???

I'm curious...what happened to your gallery? Would like to view some of your work to get an appreciation on how you use and manipulate your artistic arsenal.

infocentral:
If you actually read the quote you posted...you can see that they left it open as a future possibility!

Quote - "To summarize what has been shared so far... there is a current project that has been in progress for several weeks now to fix a variety of bugs in Bryce 6.   At this point the purpose of the project is solely to correct the highest priority bugs and no release date. There is also no plan for new features or a major release of Bryce, ***but that is not to say that it is not a possibility as the progress and distribution of development resources are assessed. "

LOL...yeah....what quest said!

This is an extract from Rashad Carters post taken from page 5 of the above thread, and the reason I believe that Bryce really isn't dead:

*"So yes, more info would be great. But then again, the info they have already provided...that there is a certain bug fix on the way... and Elisagroup (A company hired by Daz) stated in this same thread I believe that new features were also in the works, but nothing specific was stated.
Edit: from page 2 of this thread:
ElisaGroup wrote: We have just completed working on the universal Studio wrapper for Bryce (like the Carrara 7 one). The existing wrapper was built for a particular version of the DAZ Studio. The new one is able to detect Studio installations and let the user to choose the one to bridge to. Currently it only works on PC, and we need to implement the Mac version also. I think Daz3D will announce about that, as soon as it gets out of the hands of testers.
Then we are going to start a feature work, that is, Bryce 7 work. That is going to be a long process. Hopefully, DAZ3D will issue intermediate versions.

There you have it. A definitive statement from a company hired by Daz to develop Bryce, that Bryce 7 WILL BE RELEASED."*

I think this allows for a little cautious optimism at the very least?

Dead as a sailboat without wind.

I want to say that kiwi-gg's remark is uncalled for and adds nothing at all to the discussion...I do not want to be associated with it and do not agree.

sorry infocentral....even though I didn't say  it..I apologize. 

Right! Enough already.

Infocentral asked a question. *Bryce is pretty much dead as far as development for it goes right?
*That question has been pretty much answered.

Keep the thread civilised or I'll lock it. There will be no more name-calling. Period.

Looks like this guy is clearly on the wind up. Looking at his post count, history,and fact that he hasn't any gallery contributions I'd say he gets a kick out of getting a reaction to his posts. Best to ignore him me thinks.

Secret Agent? I think so! :lol: But for WHO?

I dont now, how you mean thats bryce is dead? In fact Bryce have all tools on board, for creation of pictures in many styles. I need no update every 6 month with functions they used by less peoples or that needs updates for the update like Vue.

BTW. Bryce is not the main applications from DAZ. DAZ Studio, Carrara and Hexagon is it. A little Company like DAZ have not the manpower to programming on every App simultaneous.

Sorry for my english. Its not my native language.

I think I know how come the fans in here got all riled up... They didn't really read the question/statement correctly... There was a question mark at the end of the statement, not an exclamation point or a period.

IC, as far as development goes, no Bryce is not dead. They are fixing the bugs, clearing out the way for the development team to begin. They will take the most stable part of the programming and build on that. A person from the Bryce team has said that Bryce development is still on. Take a look at the DAZ forum.  It was in the recent posting.

So to answer the question... No,  Bryce development is not dead. Eventually there will be a Bryce 6.5 with almost all the bugs squished. Then Bryce 7... When??? That will be the surprise.

Keep the hope alive, Brycers! Your fave app will be coming home to the computer near you!
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Quote - I think I know how come the fans in here got all riled up... They didn't really read the question/statement correctly... There was a question mark at the end of the statement, not an exclamation point or a period.

Fran...I think everyone understood it was a question..but  the header/subject line seems to say exactly what he/she really meant. 
I also commend everyone who didn't resort to name calling..  

Well, it was a mistake on his/her/their part or perhaps a not-so-clever way of getting attention to his/her/their topic in this forum?? I am so annoyed and embarrassed by the name calling that I simply had to wait til my temper was in check. Was going to respond earlier but the name calling started and I left temporarily... Avoided the forum for a while... :mad:

Yes. I understand it now... :mellow: Hopefully this kind of topic presentation would be avoided in the future, eh? One can only hope...

Quote - If one were to call him a pixel-peeping yellow-ram bent-cpu pseudo-rendering sub-photon, would that not be acceptable?

Max, I hope you are joking but in any case, I think any type of demeaning name calling, however mild or explicit or joking in any type of situation or forum would be unacceptable and is bound to get you banned from any forums regardless of the topic presented. I think Bryster said it best. "Keep it civil or I'll lock this thread". Are you willing to press your luck?

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I left Bryce for Vue back when Corel just let Bryce rot, was still raging mad at Metacreations for dropping Bryce and almost killing it, jerks!.
Afterwards DAZ did nothing much with it for ages either. :/

Bryce 7 needs a hell of a lot of things to catch up, tech wise, whether Bryce fans like it or not, as Bryce IS way out of date. If you love and preffer Bryce, fine, enjoy! :) But you must be honest with yourselves. Go see some of the great Vue terrain work in the galleries (I'm more into scenes and am rubbish wiht terrains, lol)

Bryce 7 needs 64 bit system at least and something akin to instancing and Spectral atmospheres Vue has (sorry you cannot honestly compare a Bryce atmosphere to a Vue one nowadays)

Bryce iMHO would be best it f made OpenSource and let the fans work on it like Blender! :) by now it would be incredibly powerful if that had happened, again, see Blender...but with a UI that's enjoyable to work with, unlike Blender ;)

I find DAZ's attitude bloody ridiculous considering how popular Bryce was, Carrara blows chunks by comparison for pleasurable use anyway. They could have had a major seller instead of a mediocre one. Bryce had an ENORMOUS following when they got it, what the hell did they do? Eh? Grrr!!!

that's me just being honest, but you don't need to be nasty or terse to the point of seeming nasty about it, as OP should have realized.
Good tools just help. But a good artist with a good tool WILL do better than with a  poor one and Bryce is poor by comparison today
if I had known the stuff I do now, way back, I could have done much better Bryce art. takes time to learn stuff :) you need skills more than tools, but in the end, you mus thave tools suitable for your desires

ps I bought Bryce 6 a while ago for nostalgia and maybe to re-render some of my old work
it's still an app I'd recommend a beginner try, along with Vue, Carrara and maybe Lightwave :)

I hope "secret agent" is not cosidered "name calling"!!!! sorry if it is!

I see the name calling continues...

Quote - > Quote - If one were to call him a pixel-peeping yellow-ram bent-cpu pseudo-rendering sub-photon, would that not be acceptable?

Max, I hope you are joking but in any case, I think any type of demeaning name calling, however mild or explicit or joking in any type of situation or forum would be unacceptable and is bound to get you banned from any forums regardless of the topic presented. I think Bryster said it best. "Keep it civil or I'll lock this thread". Are you willing to press your luck?
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Actually I was joking... I just happened to be in a lighthearted mood that day.  It does annoy me, however, when people launch personal attacks instead of sticking to the issue.  But I also realize that people have emotions and some things get people angry, and to suppress anger and frustration may not be as beneficial as some think.

Quote - I left Bryce for Vue back when Corel just let Bryce rot, was still raging mad at Metacreations for dropping Bryce and almost killing it, jerks!.
Afterwards DAZ did nothing much with it for ages either. :/

Bryce 7 needs a hell of a lot of things to catch up, tech wise, whether Bryce fans like it or not, as Bryce IS way out of date. If you love and preffer Bryce, fine, enjoy! :) But you must be honest with yourselves. Go see some of the great Vue terrain work in the galleries (I'm more into scenes and am rubbish wiht terrains, lol)

Bryce 7 needs 64 bit system at least and something akin to instancing and Spectral atmospheres Vue has (sorry you cannot honestly compare a Bryce atmosphere to a Vue one nowadays)

Bryce iMHO would be best it f made OpenSource and let the fans work on it like Blender! :) by now it would be incredibly powerful if that had happened, again, see Blender...but with a UI that's enjoyable to work with, unlike Blender ;)

I find DAZ's attitude bloody ridiculous considering how popular Bryce was, Carrara blows chunks by comparison for pleasurable use anyway. They could have had a major seller instead of a mediocre one. Bryce had an ENORMOUS following when they got it, what the hell did they do? Eh? Grrr!!!

that's me just being honest, but you don't need to be nasty or terse to the point of seeming nasty about it, .............. :)

Exactly how I felt.  I just took a peek at Vue last week, and was impressed.  They actually have many versions, from a free version all the way up to a $1500 version.  That's what Bryce should have done years ago.  It's such a shame that a great and popular program like Bryce got so neglected.  It's very very sad and frustrating.

I am not posting this as a moderator.  I am posting this as a Bryce user.

Hi silverblade33.  It is great to see that you are still a Bryce fan. 

Yeah, Cararra is pretty darned cool, especially the Pro version, but I love coming back to Bryce.  I recently downloaded the free 5.5 version so that I could animate materials again.

If Bryce NEVER gets another update, I will still use it and love it.  It is hard to beat for the price.  Especially the free version.

Did I mention there was a FREE version.

I really hate to hear people bad mouthing Bryce.  It makes me crazy fighting mad.

Quote - I really hate to hear people bad mouthing Bryce.  It makes me crazy fighting mad.

After reading this is can see where people in this forum wouldn't hesitate to start the name calling.  What can you say when leadership either silently or in this case openly encourages this behavior.

Hey UVDan!! nice seeing you bro :)

InfoCentral
well folk love things, from painting little soliders to racing dragsters and get VERY protective of what they care for ;)

And in general,
please note what they are adding in Vue8
http://www.e-onsoftware.com/about/event/NewsSiggraph2009.php#
go to
Vue 8 Infinite live presentation by Ami Chopine: Part 1
terrain editor FINALLY has clipping plane as a "Mask" like Brce lol! ;) but, most importantly
it's terrian editor is in true 3D, sort of liek Zbrush, so you can paint overhangs and caverns...
does a litel dance ;)
I've had to use mutiple terrains, booleans etc to get something like that in Bryce and Vue previously.

Max
only concerns with Vue are:
MAC's do have a lot more bugs than Windows PCs, alas.
And to REALLY get the best from it you need a 64 bit rig, the difference is night and day, opens the ceiling WAAAAY off what you can do! :) Hence Bryce must get a 64 bit version for version 7
the 32 bit version works fine, but with 64 bit and 4+ gig RAM, you can throw in so much damn stuff without all the hassles of compositing so you don't go over RAM limits like before in 32 bit.

anyway I do kind of odd scenes, not the usual, these were done in Vue 7.5 infinite :)
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1921767
the "rainbow" Phlogiston is a Volumetric material which would take a HUGE time ot render in Bryce
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1924468
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1930691
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1948084

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