Hi Just wondering  who is interested in the up coming James Cameron Movie "Avatar" there is a an orgasmic CG Geek Frenzy about  it over at CG society
thats almost sickening it its hyperbole
I was just curious who here is excited about the movie

I am personally not geeking out about it but I think it will be visually interesting but I wont go to see it or any"Stereo3D projected movie that requires buying 3D glasses that dont even work properly for us with Astigmatism.
Anyway so Ill be Borrowing the Blue Ray from one of My son's friends .

http://www.avatarmovie.com/

 I never even heard of it before!  WOW, it looks kick ass! I can see WHY some people would be orgasmic about it.  VERY impressive looking.  I wasn't excited because I never heard anything about it before. NOW I'm excited.:laugh:

I suppose that part of the "big deal" is that he has been talking about it for years. Some of the media are claiming that it is because of Cameron and this film, that we are seeing a re-emergence of 3d films and many cinemas are now upgrading their equiptment as a result. A similar response was around when people heard that George Lucas wanted to re-release the Star Wars films in 3d.
However with all of the financial difficulties at the moment, not as many cinemas will be upgraded as they had hoped.

I am interested in the movie but I wish they'd spare the hyperbole but I reckon that is part of the marketing. If something is spread to the masses and hyped up that it's awesome people always buy into it.  It's sort of spreading a lie as truth but a lie, is a lie, is a lie no matter how it's packaged.
I see the same hyperbole going on about the second Twilight movie "New Moon" it hasn't even been released yet but already it's a block buster so say the critics....more marketing hype.

I would like to see "Avatar" but until I do I will reserve my opinion.

Avatar looks good but the storyline has been done to death countless times already.

Some of the images I've seen make me wonder if Roger Dean was involved in the art direction. If not, they should write him a check any way -- provided they make a profit. 

 Avatar will be one of those rare movies that I acutally go see on the big screen, mainly  because of the look.

can somebody post a link to img/vid of blue alien girl?  I was only able to find some lo-qual jpeg.

3d movies seem tyo be a current fad , lots of stuff out recently seems to push the 3d feature. I would rather have a good fresh story than some latest gimmick.

Quote - Avatar looks good but the storyline has been done to death countless times already.

Thank you!!

Peaceful primitive planet,Society etc..
Enter Evil ,unscrupulous.Corporate profit Driven Eurocentric ( Evil white man)  to plunder and Pillage for the corporate $$bottomline$$.

Naive Young male protagonist ,who initially believes in the Ideals/Goals of " The Empire"
put in critical position to see true face of the so called
Savages/terrorists impeding the empires plans.

Enter : Female member of the natives who is somehow
never just average but always signifigantly better looking,more intelligent, bold and daring than the rest of the native females, and  she is often a Daughter,niece,etc of the tribal leadership or "royal family".

Naive Young male protagonist Meets this "Supermodel class" native and starts to fall in love almost immediately as a contrived plot Device inevitably requires them to spend many hours alone together in the "deep woods"

 "Supermodel class" native chick initially Despises the bungling "City boy" from "the evil empire" but inevitably is endeared/humored  by his Fumbling attempts to Climb a tree or some other local skill.

Cliched "sexual tension" begins.( are they gonna kiss!!)

Sometimes( not always) a local native  A-type Male who was Assumed to be her intended Suitor/mate by tribal tradition will be a continued threat to the life/general safety of Naive Young male protagonist and cause him many problems.

Naive Young male protagonist,not so Naive anymore miraculously begins to see the brutality
of his beloved Empire.

Which leads inevitable Mutiny and joining natives for "Against all odds" Climactic battle with Ultra Cliched Grizzled  Veteran Emperial Field Commander who has over the top Southern
Redneck Accent.
"Y'all done fugot who Y'all is boy!!"
You really think yous gonna take her back home to Texas for Christmas at grandma's".

That's what it looks like from the trailers.

One more movie to send to trash ...

I can't remember the last time I was THIS excited for a movie!
I went to the "Avatar Day" event last August and saw 20 minutes of the movie in IMAX 3D and I was floored. Some of the CG was standard ILM-level stuff, but some of the visuals were unlike anything I've ever seen. I think the big difference is Cameron; the guy's an absolute master film maker and the way he frames each shot and incorporates the film's stunning look into its plot just kicks ass.
There's also a lot more going on story-wise than the 3 minute trailer shows, so it's best not to prejudge :)
I should shut up though; the last movie I was all riled up for was The Phantom Menace...
Still, my wife dragged me to see the new Twilight movie last night, so no matter what the next movie I see is, it will seem like a goddamn masterpiece!

Yawn.

(for the movie, not the thread)

When I first heard about this movie, I thought it was related to that one cartoon of the same name.  Even though it isn't, I'm still not interested.  Since I fashionably missed Titanic, I think I'll fashionably miss this one as well.

 That sounds about like it.  One can hope that Cameron takes the stereotype storyline and twists it all to hell to make something unique....but I doubt it.  Stereotypes are easy to sell to Hollywood.

The effects look good. In the real world, the primitive natives cannot win. period. I'm Native American, I know this one! :laugh:

Best, most original first contact story I ever read is "Beyond the Sand River Range" about reactions to Aliens landing on Earth.  It takes place in a bar, with reactions between an American Indian and some of the patrons.. it was like a Twilight Zone episode, ending on the words of the Indian as he went out to go home.

"Welcome to the reservation, white man. There's room for us all there, now."

High tech ALWAYS trumps low tech. It's a sad fact of life, but like gravity, can't be ignored, no matter how fanciful the story.

Here's what I like about this trailer.....   James Cameron shows that effective camera work trumps CRAPPY hand-held camera work every damn time.

Here's to the end of trying to induce drama by shaking the camera.....

take care

If I waste my money on it it will be for the CGI eye candy and not the plotline. I'd say Wolf summed it up pretty succinctly.

I'm glad I'm not the only one tired of trying to watch films & getting seasick for my troubles.

Quote - If I waste my money on it it will be for the CGI eye candy and not the plotline. I'd say Wolf summed it up pretty succinctly.

Ditto.  The Vis-FX are the only reason why I'm going to see both this movie and 2012.

everyone who is interested in CGI needs to watch this.
they have 100% full GI in a 100% full forest. subsurface everywhere,GI and so on. plus everything is complicated and mesh heavy.

if you wanted to see color bouncing in action this is your movie.

Neytiri is sexy. i hope someone will do a Neytiri morph for V4. you think its possible?

Quote - > Quote - Avatar looks good but the storyline has been done to death countless times already.

Thank you!!

Peaceful primitive planet,Society etc..
Enter Evil ,unscrupulous.Corporate profit Driven Eurocentric ( Evil white man)  to plunder and Pillage for the corporate $$bottomline$$.

Naive Young male protagonist ,who initially believes in the Ideals/Goals of " The Empire"
put in critical position to see true face of the so called
Savages/terrorists impeding the empires plans.

Enter : Female member of the natives who is somehow
never just average but always signifigantly better looking,more intelligent, bold and daring than the rest of the native females, and  she is often a Daughter,niece,etc of the tribal leadership or "royal family".

Naive Young male protagonist Meets this "Supermodel class" native and starts to fall in love almost immediately as a contrived plot Device inevitably requires them to spend many hours alone together in the "deep woods"

 "Supermodel class" native chick initially Despises the bungling "City boy" from "the evil empire" but inevitably is endeared/humored  by his Fumbling attempts to Climb a tree or some other local skill.

Cliched "sexual tension" begins.( are they gonna kiss!!)

Sometimes( not always) a local native  A-type Male who was Assumed to be her intended Suitor/mate by tribal tradition will be a continued threat to the life/general safety of Naive Young male protagonist and cause him many problems.

Naive Young male protagonist,not so Naive anymore miraculously begins to see the brutality
of his beloved Empire.

Which leads inevitable Mutiny and joining natives for "Against all odds" Climactic battle with Ultra Cliched Grizzled  Veteran Emperial Field Commander who has over the top Southern
Redneck Accent.
"Y'all done fugot who Y'all is boy!!"
You really think yous gonna take her back home to Texas for Christmas at grandma's".

 

 

Pocahontas in space :D

its pocahontas in space.

but did anyone complain about The Last Samurai? its pocahontas with samurai's.

Quote - Neytiri is sexy. i hope someone will do a Neytiri morph for V4. you think its possible?

Possible to do something similar, yes.  Legal?

Quote - everyone who is interested in CGI needs to watch this.
they have 100% full GI in a 100% full forest. subsurface everywhere,GI and so on. plus everything is complicated and mesh heavy.

if you wanted to see color bouncing in action this is your movie.

You should read the comments of some of the frothing fan bois  at the CGS forums
they seem to think this ONE movie will get mankind so exited about full/nearly full CG movies it will
Cause  more to be made ,creating a massive increases in Jobs for them in the Film FX industry.(oooh  I better learn Maya now)

They ignore those of us who remind them that this movie Cost
ONE HALF OF A BILLION Dollars and  will not likely be repeated.
Especially After the Global Reset of the world economy thats underway

but hey at least the eye candy will look good on he Blue ray release.

Cheers

Not really sure what I think.  Cameron is an awesome Director and I've liked his other movies, but while they had some CGI in them, there wasn't nearly as much as in this movie, or so it seems to me anyway.

Given that the "enemy" are CGI, it might come across as being kind of computer-gamish.

I don't go to theaters to watch movies because I don't have the attention span to sit for 2 or 3 hours watching a movie, and besides, no matter where I sit, someone tall and/or wide comes in later and sits in front of me blocking my view of the screen.  I'll watch it when it comes out on VOD or a movie channel.

While it looks cool, I remember yawning thru Remo Williams back in the 80's in 3D. Gave me a headache. I'll pass ;o).

Funny how what's old is new again ;o). Even though it wasn't exactly new in the 80's either...lolol.

Laurie

Quote - > Quote - Neytiri is sexy. i hope someone will do a Neytiri morph for V4. you think its possible?

Possible to do something similar, yes.  Legal?

skinny body,long neck and big ears should not be a problem.

texturing skin shouldnt be a problem. we only need to add some stripes on her body.

Wolf, I have heard that number before and I have no idea why any hollywood studio would let him get away with that.  Advent children looked pretty good (though on blu-ray I noticed that some of the bike scenes were bad compositions) and it didn't cost anywhere close to that.  He might get lucky again, but I wouldn't blow half a billion dollars on a might get lucky again.
 
I could probably buy the Rams for less and get a better return.

Acadia, same thing happened to me the first couple of times I tried to watch the first GitS movie.  Taro Maki makes some of the most artfully boring anime there is.  I'm getting ansy just thinking about it.  Nowadays I don't go see movies because it is too expensive and I have to go to another town because the only movie threaters left in mine are in a bad area that is getting worse and I don't rent them because both the blockbuster and hollywood video near us have closed shop.  Not to mention all the other things that have closed down around here.

This town is getting depressing.

Laurie, the 3d technology is getting better.  It no longer uses those red-blue glasses so you can at least see them in full color.  I think they are moving towards 3d tv and the PS3 systems are getting updated to support that.

Quote - Wolf, I have heard that number before and I have no idea why any hollywood studio would let him get away with that.

Answer : Titanic.

He made a lot with titanic because it was like pron for teen-age girls back in the archaic days before broadband.  Just because you had a hit yesterday doesn't mean you are going to have one today.

it also made $1.8 Billion worldwide...

so, he's a good risk for the money.

Quote - > Quote - Wolf, I have heard that number before and I have no idea why any hollywood studio would let him get away with that.

Answer : Titanic.

Wrong.....

They hedged 60% of the Cost to "Equity Partners"

These are High risk Wall street Hedgefund managers
who are Gambling with peoples retirement portfolios
by betting on Computer generated movies with Blue tall Skinny chicks.etc
which means the First $250,000,000+
of box office  returns goes Right into the same wall street Sinkhole That Destroyed the  residential housing Market with sub prime in 2007-2008
and soon will destroy the Commercial real estate market in 2010 when all those Low "teaser rate" loans Reset to higher rates.. yep Fun times Ahead
but hey the CG will look Great.

Cheers.

whatever.... rolls eyes

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Quote - it also made $1.8 Billion worldwide...

so, he's a good risk for the money.

Like I said, pron for teenage girls.. who will not turn out in droves to see this movie 7 times at the theaters.  Nerds will see it once or twice, say it isn't star wars, and go back to DLing real pron for free while playing WoW, madden, or Borderlands.

Now if the story and acting only match the eye candy, we might have a hit on the horizon.....

...at least as long as it doesn't combine the worst aspects of 'Spirits Within' with 'Dune'..... 

 Having been disappointed by Final Fantasy Spirits Within, and Advent Children i refuse to get excited about any 3D movie.  But James Cameron has not made a bad movie since what, Piranha 2 ?  Never-the-less i think i will wait for the DVD.

.................

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - Wolf, I have heard that number before and I have no idea why any hollywood studio would let him get away with that.

Answer : Titanic.

Wrong.....

They hedged 60% of the Cost to "Equity Partners"

These are High risk Wall street Hedgefund managers
who are Gambling with peoples retirement portfolios
by betting on Computer generated movies with Blue tall Skinny chicks.etc
which means the First $250,000,000+
of box office  returns goes Right into the same wall street Sinkhole That Destroyed the  residential housing Market with sub prime in 2007-2008
and soon will destroy the Commercial real estate market in 2010 when all those Low "teaser rate" loans Reset to higher rates.. yep Fun times Ahead
but hey the CG will look Great.

Cheers.

By the gods, your undisguised political views are getting old wolf...

Laurie

Quote -

By the gods, your undisguised political views are getting old wolf...

Laurie

Sorry what "POLITICAL" views??
Unelected private bankers/Fund managers  et al are not "politicians" any more so than Bill Gates ,Steve jobs or Michael Bay for that matter.
So my opinions of them and their Actions are not based on any political ideology
although the latter three can do only true Harm to themselves  if they make bad financial Decisions
but lets not Derail the thread.

any more than you already have you mean ?
We know you don't like bankers - no need to ram it down everyones throat in every thread

Well, the banks don't have good hours, charges lots of fees (I don't buy stamps from mine anymore because of that), and don't give you a good interest rates on your savings account.

Now before anybody goes to hell for lying, let's clarify a few things...
Avatar's final cost clocked in at somewhere between $195-205 million; about the norm for studio "tentpoles" like Transformers 2, Quantum of Solace, Terminator: Salvation, etc.
It's price tag is actually $50 million less than Spider-man 3's and more than $100 million less than the third Pirates of the Caribbean disaster.
Aside from irresponsible journalists and gullible bloggers, the "Avatar cost $500 million" myth comes from the cost of the technology used in the film, so Wolf359 is half-right. However, the money spent developing the HD/3D cameras and advanced performance capture gear isn't tied to the film in any way. The third-party investors who paid for the technology won't see a dime from Avatar's box-office; instead their profits will come from licensing out the equipment they paid to develop. Prince of Persia, Ironman 2, and The Hobbit films are all already using it.
Personally I'm grateful to see an original piece of Science Fiction, made by a visionary director, with tremendous studio support coming down the line. It's refreshing to see an event movie that's not a sequel, not a remake, not based on a TV show, not based on a 1980's toy line, etc. But that's just me :)

Jeeeez peps.
Can't you just look at a flick for possibly delivering some cool fx and entertaining story?
Sure everything has been done 100 times before, what hasn't?
I too noted some Roger Dean looks...'tre kwel.
Whatever happened to just sitting back and enjoying the ride?

Amen Brother DarkEdge!

One line in the previews hints at a bad movie.

"This film has not yet been rated."

3D or not, a good movie still needs a good story.  Avatar does not have a good or interesting story.

 Ummm....

All that means is that the ratings board has not officially decided if it is G,PG,R,NC17, or whatever. It has nothing to do with plot; only whether the board has seen a full release cut and stamped it.

And unless you have a copy of the script, you have no idea what kind of a story it truly is. Unless you are suggesting that teasers tell the whole story.....

i think the story sounds good. its an adventure movie on another planet.

I'll probably watch it when it comes out on dvd...won't be going to see it.

after 12 years Cameron is back. and he has a present for you. the best theater experience.
boxofficemojo.com/news/

even if you are not interested in blue aliens you should see this movie. you need to watch this movie in 3D. forget all 3D movies before that. this is how its should be done. its not in your face. its like a window into a new world.

if IMAX is to expensive for you then watch the movie in a normal digital 3D theater.

Seen it, loved it and will get it on Blue Ray. Don't care if a story has been told before...