Hi all,
After reading lots of different threads about said OS's i am under the impression i am, or have done something very wrong ?

Excuse my total noobness but whats all this not installing to program files and stuff all about ?
I have Poser 7 and i just got myself Poser Pro so i can move up to a 64bit OS.

I have just got XP Pro 64bit and i have a copy of windows 7 coming too, now i just installed Poser Pro as per the intallation recomendations onto my Vista 32 and it works glitch free so far, but i dont understand all this program folder business lol

Now, when my Windows 7 drops through the door i am faced with some options.

I will only run Poser Pro (Not P7) so which OS do you think i should install and how best should i install PP onto it ?

Phew, hope you peeps can keep it simple lol

Big thanks for any clarification and tips.

Kindest regards,

Veronica.

I just moved to Windows 7 Ultimate from Vista Ultimate, both 64 bit, my programmes were/are all installed under the "Program Files [x86] folders" which is where they should be. The only exception to that is Vue 8 Infinite which is a genuine 64 bit app so that sits in the "programme files folder" because that is the correct folder for a 64 bit app!

None of my proggies have any problems running in those folders and I see no reason why they should!......V4 works fine, Poser 7 and 8 work fine.
Why people say avoid these I have no idea, it's certainly not for any hardware issue or software for that matter as far as I can see!

Default proggies in default folders of my "C" drive, no issues to report!

 The Program Files deal is related only to Vista and W7. Anything you modify under the C: (or the drive where the OS is installed) needs specific permissions. Many aspects of poser can fail if said permissions can't be obtained (I've ran into problems with the P8's library and Victoria 4 update tool). So to avoid any headache it's adviced to install poser outside of the program folder or better yet, outside of the C: drive. Either that or turn off windows UAC which is not adviced.

Then again, the previous poster had no problems with P8 or V4, so...

As far as which OS you should use, my personal take is this: Upgrade to W7 if you want, but you wont see any performance boost specifically in poser. The only problem with XP 64bits is the lack of hardware driver support, but if you are only using this PC for poser, that shouldn't be a problem.

Am puddled then lol thats how i have always installed, as per default. Just wonder why changing things works for others i guess ?

There must be a reason people dont install to C: and program files ?

Am confused lol lol am glad yours works though  mr fixer, it gives me a little confidence ;p

If you're glitch free and it isn't broken, don' t fix it.  Vista and Windows 7 have 'User Account Controls' and this may (has with some people) cause problems when running Poser from within the Program Files folders.  Specially if you add and remove content from your Poser Runtimes, Windows XP, to my knowledge, doesn't have UAC.  Were I getting a new Windows 7 box I would install any flavor of Poser right off the root directory, C:Poser #.  I tried Vista and while I could run Poser 6 I had to re-start the program a number of times before it became stable enough to work with.  The program kept hanging, moving the camera or toons was impossible and I would have to force a shut down.

You can read through a few more threads if you like.  Others were faced with the same questions.  I think Poser Pro is pretty stable and Windows 7 seems very stable to me.  I loved and will ever miss Windows XP Pro.  But I never did like change ...

Best Wishes,
Rªnce

This PC i am using will only have Poser Pro, 3DsMAX 09 and Vue 6xStream running on it.

There will be no other programs on it, NOTHING !! no explorer (internet), no windows media player, no windows defender, no anti virus...nothing. Just a stand alone unit for 3D work.

Thats mainly why i wondered which OS would be best ?

Thanks for any advice ;)

x

For the record I have always switched the UAC off, it is off now under W7 also. I've been around computers since the early 80's with tape drives and memory managers, I don't need microsoft to tell me what I can and can't do on my own system. The UAC takes nannying to a new high, if you know enough about what you're doing, you don't need it...it's just a PITA and unnecessary!

Incidentally W7 is head and shoulders above Vista and you'll see from my previous posts that I was a big fan of Vista!

and since you turned off UAC, you never saw the problems that putting Poser in Program Files can cause Fixer.... (referring to your post earlier)

Well this is probably for another thread, but I have been around computers since the 80's too and I don't recommend turning UAC off. Sure, you and I might know what we are doing, but does everyone? 

Microsoft is not telling you what todbo or what not to do, windows it's telling you what the system is trying to do and asking for a confirmation. This stops a lot of malware and virus.

So, if you know excactly what UAC is doing and you can do it on your own and can do a better job, you can safely turn it off. If you have no idea, or know only a little bit about what it's for, leave it on.

I don't use an antivirus and I don't use a firewall, but that doesn't mean nobody should, in fact, people are far safer using them than not.

That's my personal opinion, and there's many opisite views out there.

Quote - and since you turned off UAC, you never saw the problems that putting Poser in Program Files can cause Fixer.... (referring to your post earlier)

Exactly.

LOL, yea, exactly.....the UAC takes nannying too far IMO, never needed it before, don't need it now!........but I do agree that it's useful for those that aren't comfortable under the hood of their machine!
And for the record, even though I "DO" know what I'm doing I do still have a firewall and Anti Virus/anti malware and wouldn't be without them!

I think there is some misunderstanding here.
What you should do under Vista and Windows is NOT to install the Runtime in "Program Files (86)".
You can happily install Poser itself to "Program Files (86)" which is the default for the Poser install program.
The default for the runtime in Poser 8 is (I believe) to install to /users/public/documents - which is perfectly fine.

In the install program there is some compatility option to install the Runtime to Program Files and that is what you should avoid in Vista and WIndows 7

I would recommend to install Windows 7 64 bit. Even Poser 8 will profit from it since there is more memory available for the application (4GB instead of 2GB in a 32 bit Windows)

agreed. but for Windows 5,6,7 the default runtime is in Program Files and they error if it's not there (there has to be a runtime there. but of it can't write to the runtime (hello UAC), there's issues.....and so on) . so, no, there's no misunderstanding as such.

What you should do under Vista and Windows is NOT to install the Runtime in "Program Files (86)".
You can happily install Poser itself to "Program Files (86)" which is the default for the Poser install program.

Sorry to disagree again, but my Posers 6, 7 and 8 runtimes are all in "program files [x86]"
My Vue 8 Infinite runtime is in Mydocs away from the main program which is where I already said it is.

Cross post Kaibach!......

i have passed from Vista 64 bits to Windows 7 64 bits
I am using many 2d-3d softs, some installed on my D drive ,others on my E drive ,none on my C drive (where i have only Os and some utilities like antivirus,defragmenter,hd image backup ,nero)
I am using some 64 bits softs (like Lightroom 2 and Vue 8 infinite ) and many 32 bits graphics softs
Everything works fine

PoserPro was the first version of Poser to have the default runtime install location at users/public.
Alll previous versions have their runtime install locations at Program Files.
In that case you have to turn off UAC in Vista or Windows 7 if you want to add files to the local runtime. Vista and Windows 7 simply do not like to have data files written to the program files folder if the User Account Control is turned on. It will work however with the proper permissions on.

Using the documents (or other) folder for the runtime has no further impact and is a good way to avoid (future) problems.

Quote - PoserPro was the first version of Poser to have the default runtime install location at users/public.
Alll previous versions have their runtime install locations at Program Files.
In that case you have to turn off UAC in Vista or Windows 7 if you want to add files to the local runtime. Vista and Windows 7 simply do not like to have data files written to the program files folder if the User Account Control is turned on. It will work however with the proper permissions on.

Using the documents (or other) folder for the runtime has no further impact and is a good way to avoid (future) problems.

 

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you know that's EXACTLY what we've been saying or to install to a non-program files location ?

It was implied by some that you should install Poser to another location ("install poser outside of the program folder"). That is not necessary - just the runtime.needs to be outside.

sigh

Which won't work with posers 5 6 7, since they require a default runtime INSIDE Program Files with their install. ....

hence the 3 courses of action you can take which are : Disable UAC, Change the Permissions or install to a non Program Files location and avoid the UAC clash.

I hope thats clear?

The OP was asking about PoserPro

and the thread moved on..... they do that...sorry about that...

Hey hey hey lol phew !!!!

I was asking about Poser Pro and i was asking about which operating system might be best and how i should install it (PP).

I have a lot of food for thought here, but what i am taking away from this is you all seem to go with the windows 7 rather then the XP Pro for a 64bit OS.

Cool, so windows 7 it is then, assuming i have my premissions set right and i leave the UAC on, should i default install or ???

You are all for more advanced then me in this area hense me coming here, but i dont wat to start a fight boys ;)

Veronica. ;p

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Which won't work with posers 5 6 7, since they require a default runtime INSIDE Program Files with their install. ....

Actually they dont, I have 5,6 and 7 installed  in an external drive and they work fine(actually they even work fine from that external drive from both XP and Win7 64bit running dual boot. never had to reinstall them for the new OS). what they require is the primary runtime be within the poser folder along with the software.

Ok, using W7 and Poser Pro, install Poser in the default directory (yes, program files) and the Runtime to a public directory, I think Pöser Pro gives you the choice to put the runtime in the user folder. You sould not have problems that way.

Fab, thanks for all the info peeps, i will try it out once my W7 disk pops through my door.

I will be sure to write back with any issues, if any ;)

Thanks again,

Kindest regards,

Veronica

xxx

" what they require is the primary runtime be within the poser folder along with the software." thats the default I meant........ sorry I must'nt be making myself clear today...

Basically, Program FILES location is okay, Program DATA is not. :)

But then, I run nothing of my OS drive. I use it only for the OS, and not much else.
Windows 7 is better than Vista (so far), but I went from Vista Ultimate to Windows 7 Premium, simply because there wasn't anything in Ultimate I needed to have (I don't run a domain at home. :))

And yah.
UAC is the first thing I murder stone-dead the second I log in the first time lol.

I'm hating Windows Live Mail, but there isn't much out there I want to use. Barca2 is nice, but expensive. (Running a trial atm) I hate Thunderbird, it's never been reliable for me, and I just... no thanks. I have full Outlook, but it crashes every few minutes, hangs, doesn't shut down properly... I haven't bothered to install it again.
I like Firefox though, but Maxthon runs a close second.
I'd love to run Vista Mail, but alas... No email client included in Win7. shakes fist

In fact, if I could put my hands on a copy of one of the first releases of Live Mail, and got it to work... I'd have it installed in a heartbeat. LOVED the first couple of versions, then it went downhill from there. :/

Oh and... being a writer... I can't live without my OneNote anymore lol. How did I organize all my stuff before????? (Evernote is similar btw, and still free I think.)

So yeah, Windows 7 is a definite improvement, I've had no problems.