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Subject: How to adjust conforming skirts to legs?


fbunse ( ) posted Sun, 28 February 2010 at 7:38 AM · edited Fri, 06 December 2024 at 7:27 PM

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Hello all,

I am afraid this is a real noob question. But without a clue what exactly to look for I havent been able to find any solution or tutorial on this...

I am using a long skirt on my V4. The skirt is conformed and magnetized. Now if I apply a pose to Vic the skirt does not cover the legs anymore. I tried to delete the skirt and conform it again, I played around with magnets and morphing but I don't really get the desired results.

Using dynamic skirts is not really a solution as most stuff comes conforming and its much easier to work with too. And unfortunately not every skirt has deformers which would make fixing this pretty easy too.

Is there any other way to easily fix this and getting Vic to be dressed properly or does this really have to be done with morphing or using dynamic clothes?

Thanks in advance for any suggestion or pointer to a helpfull tutorial

Frank


dlfurman ( ) posted Sun, 28 February 2010 at 8:02 AM

Some skirts have body handles that allow you to move the skirt to match the pose.
Some have morphs that allow you to move the skirt up and out or in and back.
Check the documentation of the clothing item.

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thefixer ( ) posted Sun, 28 February 2010 at 8:04 AM

There's usually body handles for adjusting the skirt, if not then you need to use the bend, twist etc. dials in the various parts of the skirt like "right thigh"..."left thigh".. stuff like that. Look under your parameter tab for the correct dials..

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thefixer ( ) posted Sun, 28 February 2010 at 8:04 AM

LOL, X-post with dilfurman.

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fbunse ( ) posted Sun, 28 February 2010 at 9:06 AM

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Negative on body handles (that would have been too easy) and same on morphs to help. The regular twist, bend etc. dials help a bit but are not enough before the skirt goes into really weird shapes. Actually the pose doesnt seem too extreme that it really should cause problems...

So I guess I am out of luck with this one? I dont have that many long skirts yet (throusers conform fine and short skirts are easier on that one) but most of the ones I have actually seem that way. Most of them are freebies tho. Are long skirts generally a problem or did I just had bad luck so far end ended up with ones that dont work too well? Are there any other workarounds?

Thanks for all the help so far!


bagginsbill ( ) posted Sun, 28 February 2010 at 9:15 AM · edited Sun, 28 February 2010 at 9:16 AM

Quote - Using dynamic skirts is not really a solution as most stuff comes conforming and its much easier to work with too. And unfortunately not every skirt has deformers which would make fixing this pretty easy too.

This is your opinion and I don't agree. Here's my opinion.

Conforming bras, panties, shorts, these are fine. Conforming skirts, even with handles, are nonsense. They look fake even if there is no poke through. When I see things that look obviously fake, despite the availability of a good solution in Poser, I am disappointed by the lazy artist. Lazy art produced without skill or effort is not worth spit.

Convert the skirt to dynamic and run the simulation. You could spend hours fiddling with handles or you can just run the simulation for 10 minutes while you eat some Jello, and it will look beautiful. I can't understand why this isn't clear.


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thefixer ( ) posted Sun, 28 February 2010 at 9:16 AM

The only other option then if you're sure there's nothing to adjust it, is to hide the leg parts using the Hierarchy editor from the top menu.
For the above image, look for Left thigh in the Hierarchy editor and uncheck the "eye" next to it.

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basicwiz ( ) posted Sun, 28 February 2010 at 9:31 AM

 While I agree with Bagginsbill that it's usually simpler to run the cloth simulation, I would suggest that before you write off conforming skirts you buy a couple of good ones and try them out. Free items are usually free for a reason... they don't have the time investment in them, and it shows. I've had pretty good luck with some freebees running them through Morcloth to give them the morphs the designer declined to create.

It is also possible to use the cloth room without converting the item to a prop. If there are multiple areas to the garment, then you can run the simulation on just the area of the item that is problematic. I've had good results with this, especially when the clothing "falls apart" during simulation after conversion to a prop. It's not the best option, but sometimes it's a useful expedient. 


Acadia ( ) posted Sun, 28 February 2010 at 10:28 AM

I learned how to fit skirts around leg poses through the MFD tutorial over at Daz.  Unfortunately not all skirts/dresses have as many morphs.  But it will give you an idea.

http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=490&highlight=&flatnum=1

And seriously.  Check out this tutorial on how to make part of a skirt/dress dynamic.  You really won't be sorry.  And it is really pretty easy!!

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2517340&page=1

Here are some threads on Dynamic Clothing

Tutorials

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2394919

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Channing ( ) posted Sun, 28 February 2010 at 11:30 AM

Doesn't Wardrobe Wizard also have an option to add body handles into skirts? That would certainly help out in the case of freebie dresses. 


Winterclaw ( ) posted Sun, 28 February 2010 at 11:33 AM

Check the hip specifically for morphs.  Also which piece of clothing is that?  Maybe someone else who has it or it's creator (if you email him) can help you.

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fbunse ( ) posted Sun, 28 February 2010 at 2:31 PM

Thanks again  for all the responses - they all have been terribly helpfull!

As you see I am pretty new to poser and still try to struggle my way through and find an orientation. So I didnt yet had a lot of skirts to play with. And indeed after purchasing two commercial ones I found they do have the bodyhandles to adjust the falloff. Strangely one even automaticaly adjusted to the pose without needing any manual interaction. What kind of feature is that and why dont others do the same? (Is that what they call "crosstalking"?)

I also checked Wardrobe wizard but havent been able to find an option to add body handles to skirts. Neither in the conversation dialog nor in the utilities section. So Im afraid I really have to forget about using freebies at least as I stick with conforming clothes.

Apart from that the clothify really seems to work without the need to convert them to dynamic first. Ill yet have to find out if it makes a noticable difference in quality and not every skirt seems to take it well but this at least gives me something to start with.

The reason I refrained from using them (apart from beeing lazy indeed) is that most stuff (I had/found) was conforming. Knowing I can do without really gets me started and I will work myself through the mentioned threads/tutorials. After all clothifying is not really more work then playing around with handles for hours till you get it right.

Now I only need to understand the mystery why some skirts do adjust to poses and others don't and why some creators sell their skirts without that option and without body handles...

So thank you all for pointing me into different directions to check out. 

Frank


Channing ( ) posted Sun, 28 February 2010 at 5:12 PM

The difference in skirt is probably due to how the vendor set up the cr2 file. If it can respond to changes in the rotation of the thighs or shins of V4, then you would see automatic adjustment.

If you are interested, someday you may set up your own body handles in the setup room, and then you can save a second cr2 file for your own use. Essentially, they are bones that are not assigned to any polys in the dress, but have falloff zones that affect portions of the polys in the skirt itself.

But that's for another day.

Clothifying is an excellent option for the most realistic looking draping. 


RobynsVeil ( ) posted Mon, 01 March 2010 at 7:21 AM

Quote - I learned how to fit skirts around leg poses through the MFD tutorial over at Daz.  Unfortunately not all skirts/dresses have as many morphs.  But it will give you an idea.
http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=490&highlight=&flatnum=1

And seriously.  Check out this tutorial on how to make part of a skirt/dress dynamic.  You really won't be sorry.  And it is really pretty easy!!
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2517340&page=1

Here are some threads on Dynamic Clothing
Tutorials
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2394919

Thank you so much for those links, Acadia... how did you know I was going to ask? 😄

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AnAardvark ( ) posted Mon, 01 March 2010 at 2:24 PM

In addition to body handles, a lot of skirts have non-visible bones in the rigging. (They seem to act like body handles, but without actual geomerty.) If the skirt has parts like "front", "back:, "lf" etc., you can manipulate their parameters (typically bend etc.)


ratscloset ( ) posted Wed, 17 March 2010 at 11:45 PM

I am not sure, but I think that is a Hybrid Product if it is the one I am thinking of, and though it does have limited Morphs for the Skirt, it was designed to be used in the Clothroom... If the bottom of the Skirt is all one part, then it is a Hybrid (Conforms for the waist, but Hip is designed to be clothified.)

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