Yes, they haven't even put out new kids or a baby yet.  But M4 doesn't have any stupid magnets. I would like to see V5 be the same, and also with more polys in the right places (particularly the middle lips).  I see nice things in the MP for V4 but I think well why bother. V4 isn't ideal really.
Love esther

Victoria 5? :scared: Lord preserve us. I find V4 to be hard enough work as it is; I hate to imagine what hoops we'll have to jump through to use V5. The trouble is, as I see it, that successive generations of DAZ figures are loaded down with more technology designed to work around the limitations of Poser; and IMHO that technology gets in the way of producing pictures, which should be the primary aim after all.

No, what we want is for Antonia to be stabilised to the point where PhilC is willing to add Wardrobe Wizard support for her. Then we'll see some feathers flying. :)

Sorry, I ranted a bit. And I have had my coffee. 

 No, that is not true.  M4 came after V4 and he was simpler.  No magnetize poses required (ie no magnets) he works well.  V4 was a huge mistake in my opinion.
Love esther

 anyway, it doesn't matter, as it will just be daz soon anyway.
They're not even making the one figure to the other versions anymore where the head of the new one was on the old one's non-morphing body.  Sad.  
Love esther

you need to use magents to poser V4? 

Come back V3 all is forgiven. ;)

 unfortunately V3 had spaghetti arms and a back hump.  But she did have tendons in her forearm and hands instead of amorphous blobby forearms.

OK, you all know what I would normally say here, so just pretend you heard me say IT! :lol:
DPH

ah yes, posette, pretty and petite, and I agree quite a pretty little thing, but I don't like the way she bends or her lack of polygons.
Love esther
 

Quote -  No, that is not true.  M4 came after V4 and he was simpler.  No magnetize poses required (ie no magnets) he works well.  V4 was a huge mistake in my opinion.
Love esther

You could use the female morphs in  M4 Enhanced from DAZ, but i don't knowhow well Vicky's clothes would fit.

There's always Antonia-she has no magnets...

http://sites.google.com/site/antoniapolygon/

(Don't worry about the 'Adult Content' popup-Antonia is the only thing naked there, and she's zipped...)

 but while i"ve got you here ,some one is asking in this forum about using M3 texture on M4.  Have you remapped M4 as yet?
Love esther

Quote -  but while i"ve got you here ,some one is asking in this forum about using M3 texture on M4.  Have you remapped M4 as yet?
Love esther

In the middle of the process!  Have done the body, the hands, & the feet: but have taken a break to re-steady my nerves, as his mesh is such a nightmare (Way too many vertices for what he actually needs).
dph

 Great.  Where's keep us posted on how it is going, as I'll be interested in that one as well please.
I really use the V4 remap a lot, and appreciate all the hardwork that went into it.
Well I don't want you to tear your hair out over it though.  But they can't all be posette.
Love esther

Quote - ah yes, posette, pretty and petite, and I agree quite a pretty little thing, but I don't like the way she bends or her lack of polygons.
Love esther

Esther, look at my Firelight series in my gallery, and see what can be done with my updated Posette.  Yes, she has her limitation, but so does every figure, one way or another.  If V4 were so bloody perfect (excuse my adjective please), you wouldn't have started this thread.  And you also admit that V3 has spaghetti arms.
A solution to your problem, since M4 has the exact same mesh as V4, is to load the V4 mesh into setup room, and then adapt the M4 rigging to it; and/or find some way to edit the magnet out of the V4 cr2 using a text editor.
Yours truly,
DPH

 are you saying all those magnets could be turned into morphs?  But how hard would that be, and would all her clothes still work?
Love esther

Quote -  are you saying all those magnets could be turned into morphs?  But how hard would that be, and would all her clothes still work?
Love esther

As far as I know, any magnet can be turned into a morph, by clicking on object/spawn morph target.  But that means that EVERY other morph and magnet has to be turned OFF  first.  Possibly you could save the magnets to a special props folder for applying to clothes when needed, and then turn to morphs.

But understand that V4 is NOT my figure of choice and I almost never use her, except to contrast how little difference there is between her and Posette when both are textured with the same texture: so I am NOT the expert her on V4's magnets.
dph

 I'm into one click solutions.  If I am not ruthless about it I will be in the old age home before I ever finish my comic.  On the other hand I still like V4 better than posette.
Love esther
PS let us  know how your remap is going, and if you get time, maybe let that person in the forum know about it.  His question should be near the top somewhere.

You could try Michelle... she's M4 with some morph work.

Look see... and some details...

http://renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=2019168&section_id=1&genre_id=25&np

Latest download here...
http://www.sharecg.com/v/40218/Poser/Michelle:-Female-Base-for-M4

Kevin

 hmm that's tempting but I would have clothing fit issues I guess.  probably nothing the morphing tool wouldn't fix.
Love esther

IMO, I didn't see anything wrong with V3. (I don't think she should have been dumped on the side of the road.)
"She's my main working figure" 

Quote - Victoria 5? :scared: Lord preserve us.

I'm with YOU! LOLOL

Laurie

Quote - IMO, I didn't see anything wrong with V3. (I don't think she should have been dumped on the side of the road.)
"She's my main working figure" 

Yep, I still prefer V3 and Aiko 3 as well.

Laurie

Quote -  anyway, it doesn't matter, as it will just be daz soon anyway.
They're not even making the one figure to the other versions anymore where the head of the new one was on the old one's non-morphing body.  Sad.  

Well, keep in mind that DS (Advanced only?) does figure mixing, so it's hardly necessary from their own proprietary standpoint.

Not sure how many people are actually using the feature tho. I don't use DS, myself.

I have a laundry list for V4. She doesn't have enough facial shaping morphs, not like V3 had. She's nearly cross eyed. Her shoulders are wonky. Her arms are too thin (although I've seen models on television with arms that thin).  The very visible rib cage on her torso sometimes drives me to distraction in certain poses. My big pet peeve is that her legs are out of proportion. Her thighs are too long in relation to her shins, and of course her toes are too long. These are things that DAZ could address in a new version, but I'm not sure that's on their menu for a while.  M4 has problems as well, but at least IMO his body is in better proportion than V4. I am being just nit picky that he doesn't have enough facial shaping morphs (both figures are sorely lacking) and he doesn't have an Adam's Apple morph. But at least his eyes are not as badly out of whack as V4's eyes.

I doubt gen 5 figures will work very well with Poser unless SM changes some things to read the same as DS.

Nope I would not hold my breath for DAZ figures anymore. Start looking for alternatives that are compatible with Poser or switch to DS.

 freak 4 works better with poser pro 2010

"Nope I would not hold my breath for DAZ figures anymore. Start looking for alternatives that are compatible with Poser or switch to DS."

Or stick with you-know-what!!!
dph

Quote - Nope I would not hold my breath for DAZ figures anymore. Start looking for alternatives that are compatible with Poser or switch to DS.

DAZ has stated they do not plan to stop supporting Poser, although they plan to stop supporting older versions of it (and other software).

I say we bypass 5 and go straight to 6.2
Don't bother loading her with that silly bikini, we all take it off straight away anyhow, save us a step, huh?
Might as well have her loaded up with a sword at an appropriate temple.
Give her that sweet ZooZoo Petals expression too...you know the one I'm talking about.

 leave the bikini on -  last Victoria the nipples were missing, this time the whole breast may be gone.

I´m predicting that when V5 or V6 is out we'll be seeing threads about how wonderful V4 was ;)

 I'm predicting not.

Quote - > Quote - Nope I would not hold my breath for DAZ figures anymore. Start looking for alternatives that are compatible with Poser or switch to DS.

DAZ has stated they do not plan to stop supporting Poser, although they plan to stop supporting older versions of it (and other software).

That is what they say because they have to. Does not mean they will. DAZ is too invested into DS now that does things that Poser can't or differently.

  I truly believe they have been cooperating with SM and that's why they now have conform to scale so that freak 4 works better in poser pro 2010

Quote - I doubt gen 5 figures will work very well with Poser unless SM changes some things to read the same as DS.

Nope I would not hold my breath for DAZ figures anymore. Start looking for alternatives that are compatible with Poser or switch to DS.

Go Antonia!  :)

Yes, I read your post the first time.

One little fix does not mean complete support. DAZ developement is moving in a different direction. That's the way of things.

V3 looked more human than V4.  V4 might as well be anime for all it matters.  That's all I'll say about it.

 V3 did have a much better face.  And she had nice tendons and muscle definition.  But there were some not good things about her bending, her chest posteriorly and her spaghetti arms.
V4 can smile with more of her face than V3 although I'm sure that could have been fixed with some nice morphs for V3.
Love esther

So take V3's body, and join it with V4's skeleton.
dph

 kind of wrecks myh premade poses and there are joining issues.  Not a totally bad idea though and I did try it.

Actually, not so apropos of the current discussion, but I've found that many of the V4 poses work beautifully with my remapped Posette.  Since both Posette and V4 share the same basic rigging setup I guess that shouldn't come as a surprise.
dph

 Interesting.

The only things that would make buy a Victoria or Mike 5 at the moment, would be if the came with software that would allow you to create face morphs from front and side photographs (like facegen) like Poser "is supposed do" with it's native figures.
Soft body dynamics for animation would also be nice. This could be done with Python and magnets.
Better compatability in Poser is a must. DS3 doesn't like my computer without XP sr3, and my Internet Explorer doesn't like it with sr3, but never got the hang of DS anyway.

dphoadley, where is your remapped Posette ?

Quote - dphoadley, where is your remapped Posette ?

In Freestuff!  Both the Standard PosetteV3; PosetteV3 with Genitals; and The PosetteeVe3 (Eve PosetteV3); along with DorkM3, P4CatsuitV3, and P4 MilHorse (P4 Horse remapped to take Mil Horse textures).
dph

OK, thanks David.

Personally, I like M4/V4 much better than M3/V3.  The face shapes can be a little frustrating at times - but DAZ is pretty good about supplying new morph packs.  I didn't care for the Mil 3 shoulders at all.  I would buy V5/M5 if/when they become available.  I think DAZ is certainly committed to developing their figures and making them user friendly.  I just wish that Smith Micro had developed their figures to a similar or higher level of realism.

Quote - Personally, I like M4/V4 much better than M3/V3.  The face shapes can be a little frustrating at times - but DAZ is pretty good about supplying new morph packs.  I didn't care for the Mil 3 shoulders at all.  I would buy V5/M5 if/when they become available.  I think DAZ is certainly committed to developing their figures and making them user friendly.  I just wish that Smith Micro had developed their figures to a similar or higher level of realism.

Totally agree with the part about the native Poser figures, I only ever use them as background figures, and usually just the "pre-clothed" ones, because it saves me time. If you look at adverts or graphics used in tv programmes that have used Poser, they just use the basic figures with no modification. 

Quote - I doubt gen 5 figures will work very well with Poser unless SM changes some things to read the same as DS.

Nope I would not hold my breath for DAZ figures anymore. Start looking for alternatives that are compatible with Poser or switch to DS.

What gives you this idea? 

Quote - but DAZ is pretty good about supplying new morph packs.

Totally disagree.  The only thing they are "good" at is releasing shape packs. 

How wonderful would an all-new morph pack be?  I'm talking about shaping morphs, not character morphs like G4, elite, aiko, etc.  Hell, some of those even have new shaping morphs you can't access unless you do some deep hacking in the cr2.

Daz is terrible at supplying new morphs packs.

Quote - > Quote - but DAZ is pretty good about supplying new morph packs.

Totally disagree.  The only thing they are "good" at is releasing shape packs. 

How wonderful would an all-new morph pack be?  I'm talking about shaping morphs, not character morphs like G4, elite, aiko, etc.  Hell, some of those even have new shaping morphs you can't access unless you do some deep hacking in the cr2.

Daz is terrible at supplying new morphs packs.

I agree with disagreeing.  Even the ethnic pack was a disappointment .  RDNA has better morph packages and I personally don't create a V4 character without the V4UltraMorphs from RDNA.