I wish when you select the Materials tab that the Library equivalent would be sychronized to do the same instead of having to select the Materials icon.  It worked okay in Poser 7, but not in 8.

They also never fixed the problem with having a Python window open when you want to use the parameter dials.  It worked okay in Poser 7 but not in 8.  It'll either lock up, crash, or both.  I told them about this problem too, but they never could duplicate it.  I can.

Changing the background color still doesn't work from the menu.  I would have thought, and they know about it, that the latest SR would have fixed this.  A small issue.

The Hierarchy Editor has an endless loop problem if you change the name of any item.  I never had this problem in Poser 7, but in complicated scenes where I have a number of the same props and I want to change the name to something meaningful it gives me an error message.  When you try to get rid of that error message it continues endlessly and I have to reboot to get rid of it.  This started happening after the last SR.

The Library.  I wish we could go back to the old one.  This one stinks.  Trying to save to the Library and then trying to figure out where it saved to is a problem.  Scrap the Poser 8 Library.

Another Library Issue:  Icons that are supposed to be in one folder show up way below other folders.  I believe this is a refresh issue since I find myself having to refresh the folders constantly.  I'm using a new computer with 8GB memory so this shouldn't be an issue.  Unfortunately I'm using Windows 7 so it could be that.

My only reason to stay with Poser 8 is that Poser 7 doesn't work very well under Windows 7.  My second reason is that it is faster than Poser 7.  Other than that, it was a waste of money to upgrade.

Well, I can address one issue:  My Poser 7 works wonderfully under Windows 7 x64.

"My only reason to stay with Poser 8 is that Poser 7 doesn't work very well under Windows 7. "

Posers 5,6,7 and Pro working just fine under Windows 7 64bit here.

main tip is not to install Poser under any Program Files folder. installing outside of them, poser works so much better. (UAC issues. you can turn it off, muck around with permissions etc, but sometimes it's just easier to say fuck it and avoid the problem in the first place. )

Quote - I wish when you select the Materials tab that the Library equivalent would be sychronized to do the same instead of having to select the Materials icon...

This is a feature, as you can now apply Materials outside of the Material Room...

Quote - Well, I can address one issue:  My Poser 7 works wonderfully under Windows 7 x64.

I'm running P7 under W7 x64 as welll, but since all the W7 updates nothing seems to work anymore.  I'm seriously thinking of restoring my system and reinstalling and turn updates off.  Their fixes just keep breaking things.

It was actually working at the very beginning when I got this computer last November, but now everything seems to be running slower and not refreshing.  I blame Microsoft.

Quote - main tip is not to install Poser under any Program Files folder. installing outside of them, poser works so much better.

I will try that.

Quote - (UAC issues. you can turn it off, muck around with permissions etc, but sometimes it's just easier to say fuck it and avoid the problem in the first place. )

I've tried turning off UAC and it still prompts me all the time.  I don't understand your last statement.  Avoid what problem?  UAC?

Quote - > Quote - I wish when you select the Materials tab that the Library equivalent would be sychronized to do the same instead of having to select the Materials icon...

This is a feature, as you can now apply Materials outside of the Material Room...

It doesn't work for me.  I've tried applying Materials while in the Pose section and it doesn't.  I have to always go to the Material tab.  I'm going to uninstall both versions of Poser and not update to any Service Releases (Poser 8 only) and install outside of the Program Files folders and see if any of this works.

Has anyone here updated their Windows 7 since it came out?  I'm thinking it has something to do with the updates since it was working when I got this computer with Windows 7 (64 bit) last November and now it isn't.

Quote - > Quote - main tip is not to install Poser under any Program Files folder. installing outside of them, poser works so much better.

I will try that.

Quote - (UAC issues. you can turn it off, muck around with permissions etc, but sometimes it's just easier to say fuck it and avoid the problem in the first place. )

I've tried turning off UAC and it still prompts me all the time.  I don't understand your last statement.  Avoid what problem?  UAC?

exactly.
you see, UAC is designed to stop files being written on the fly to the program files folder. hence the problems with poser or any program that tries to write back to itself as part of it's operation.

the best course of action with such programs is to place them outside of the Program Files folder where they are no longer conflicting with UAC.

I noticed I had already turned off UAC some time ago.  I couldn't remember if it was on or off.  I uninstalled Poser 7 and 8 and am now reinstalling Poser 7.

problem is, when you turn off UAC it then sets a load of permissions on the folders to protect them...which you need to be an admin to change, but even if your account is admin you need to elevate...  tis a right pain.

I noticed there's an ominous looking folder on the C Drive called "MSOCache" with a lock on it which I never noticed before I reinstalled both Poser 7 and 8 into the root folder.  That's probably what you're talking about.

So far, the move from the Program Files folders to the root folder seems to allow both versions to run a little better.  Poser 7 is still a little sluggish, but not as bad as it was before.  Time will tell since I don't remember all the problems I was having with it.  I've been using Poser 8 for less than a month.  I purchase it when it first came out, but hated the Library so much that I went back to 7 until it started behaving badly.

How do you elevate higher than Admin?  I was always being prompt that I have to be an Admin to make a change even when I was logged in as the Admin.  I hate Windows.  Windows XP and 7 can never remember it's settings either.

By the way, that's a great suggestion moving out of the Program Files folders.  I was tempted to upgrade to the new Poser Pro, but $200 is too steep for an upgrade especially since I'd only be doing it for the 64-bit and Poser 8 hasn't even been out a year.  We should have gotten a steeper discount than that especially with all of its issues.

The only 64-bit software I have is Photoshop which runs nicely.  All 32-bit programs are a challenge.

MSOCache is not ominous, it's Microsoft Office Cache, a local cache which is used while installing Office.

I thought it might be something that was added after turning UAC off.  MS Office 2007 seems to keep updating a lot lately so that's probably where it came from.

I'm finding that Windows 7 takes too much control away from the user.  You can turn UAC off and you still get pop ups.  I wonder if the Pro version of Windows 7 would be better.

Some observations, and yes Win7 is good but a PITA.

First and most important.the installation of Poser and the content.

Put the runtime outside the Program Files.

During installation, (if I remember corectly), use the upper checkbox, to put the content and its runtime.

It the runtime IS installed in Program files, Win7 will deviate all modified files afterwards to ( sorry, memory leak) but it puts them somewhere else. "Virtual Store?", but I do not remember its location. Anyhow, there is a come and go then.

Origional files will be in the runtime in Program files, and modified files will go into the Virtual store thing.

Even if you do a "save as" from photoshop, into the origional place, forget it, look in the virtual store, that is where they are.

No Poser problem, but an Win7 thing.

Sorry, may be incomplete, but it has been a long time ago..

Did a re-install, checking the upper checkbox.....

All of my runtimes are on a separate drive.  The only runtime on the C drive is under Poser 7 and 8 and I installed both Posers in the root directory not under Program Files.  I just did that a couple of days ago.

If I didn't have a 64-bit system, I would go back to WinXP because 7 sucks!  I'm strongly considering restoring my entire system and not updating using Windows Updates.  That is where my problem lies I think.

Everything worked fine back in November and December, but now I'm having memory issues and shouldn't be with a new system.  I believe it all stems from MS Updates.  MS Office 2007 updates are becoming problematic as well and seem to be memory issues.  I hope my new computer isn't broken so soon.  The system is not refreshing as I've noticed in Poser, Office 2007, and a few other programs.  The system memory tests don't show any problems so it has to be Windows that is causing the problems.

I think Microsoft does this on purpose so you have to keep upgrading software and hardware.  Updates were so often on my old XP computer that it became totally dysfunctional.

So far, Poser 8 is running just fine since it was moved out of the Program Files folder.  Poser 7 is still a little slow, but works.  I noticed it's slowness in the Materials area especially when selecting a model with the eyedropper that I want to apply a texture.  It takes a good minute or two.

Would it make much difference if I purchase a higher version of Windows 7.  I'm using the Premium Edition 64-bit.  I'd like to have better control and not this Vista look-a-like which takes the control away from the user.  This version treats people like they're idiots and can't manage their own systems.  I hate when I'm supposed to be the Administrator and it keeps telling me that I have to be the Administrator to change anything.  The UAC is turned off completely and I still get messages.

check your graphics drivers. MS update has a habit of setting them to MS standard ones.. normally a update or few behind the current set.

I checked them the other day and it said they're up to date.  I'll bet they're not.  I'll check to see if the drivers are MS or ATI drivers.

ATI are now on version 10.3 released just a few days ago.