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Subject: Poser prims


IsaoShi ( ) posted Sun, 04 April 2010 at 7:21 AM · edited Sat, 30 November 2024 at 3:38 AM

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I feel sure I saw a big discussion thread about the quality and usefulness of Poser prims here, but now I can't find it.

Anyway, this is a render of the Poser Pro 2010 cone. The first render was with smoothing off, the second partial render (inset) was with smoothing switched on.

Is this just down to bad geometry?

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Victoria_Lee ( ) posted Sun, 04 April 2010 at 7:31 AM

I never use the smoothing.  I find it tends to distort the geometries too much for some reason.

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IsaoShi ( ) posted Sun, 04 April 2010 at 7:58 AM

Quote - I never use the smoothing.  I find it tends to distort the geometries too much for some reason.

That's often okay... but I want a proper, smooth cone in my render, not an arrangement of flat triangular polygons and hard edges.

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ockham ( ) posted Sun, 04 April 2010 at 8:10 AM · edited Sun, 04 April 2010 at 8:17 AM

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After a quick check:  This seems to have started in P8.   Seems to be a different smoothing algorithm, not a different cone. 

The P7 cone renders fine in P7, but both the 7 and 8 cones are droopy
when rendered in 8 with smoothing on.  (The picture shows the 7 cone
rendered both ways.)

I try to use smoothing as little as possible, turning it on via the CR2 only
for the pieces that (1) need it and (2) don't go bonkers when it's on.

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IsaoShi ( ) posted Sun, 04 April 2010 at 8:36 AM

Thanks for the tests, David... I never even considered that it might be the smoothing algorithm itself.
I'll report it to SM. In the meantime, I'll try different smoothing angles, see if it makes any difference.

"If I were a shadow, I know I wouldn't like to be half of what I should be."
Mr Otsuka, the old black tomcat in Kafka on the Shore (Haruki Murakami)


ockham ( ) posted Sun, 04 April 2010 at 9:55 AM · edited Sun, 04 April 2010 at 9:58 AM

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Just for fun, here's a tricky cone that renders properly in P8. 

The top point is actually a very small open circle,
and the bottom circle is unwelded.

Attached TXT is an OBJ file; rename to something like
NewCone.obj and then save it as a prop.  

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ockham ( ) posted Sun, 04 April 2010 at 11:01 AM

file_450668.txt

Here's the same tricky cone properly sized and scaled.

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IsaoShi ( ) posted Sun, 04 April 2010 at 12:38 PM

Thank you! I'll give that a spin in my scene a little later.

"If I were a shadow, I know I wouldn't like to be half of what I should be."
Mr Otsuka, the old black tomcat in Kafka on the Shore (Haruki Murakami)


IsaoShi ( ) posted Tue, 06 April 2010 at 4:57 PM

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David, I gave your cone a spin in Poser Pro 2010 this evening, using the default OBJ import options.

It's a big improvement over the Poser cone, but I'm still getting some problems - see screenshot. There is some barely discernible ballooning - I had to put a straight edge up against the cone edge on my screen to be sure of this. Also, the surface gradient is nowhere near smooth near the top end. The Poser hi-res ball, on the other hand, is showing nice smooth shading all over.

Perhaps Poser doesn't like the long thin polygons? Not sure...

Anyway, I don't want you to spend any more time on it, just thought you might be interested.

"If I were a shadow, I know I wouldn't like to be half of what I should be."
Mr Otsuka, the old black tomcat in Kafka on the Shore (Haruki Murakami)


Miss Nancy ( ) posted Tue, 06 April 2010 at 8:50 PM

d3d's cone (comes with some later versions of poser) doesn't deform on smoothing.
these later versions may not work well with a vertex at the junction of 20 or 32 triangles,
hence d3d's axially-segmented cone also has an empty multi-sided polygon at the tip
of the final segment.  too small to see excepting under extreme magn.



IsaoShi ( ) posted Wed, 07 April 2010 at 2:03 PM

Thanks, Miss Nancy. I didn't know about D3D's props. As you say, the cone works fine.

"If I were a shadow, I know I wouldn't like to be half of what I should be."
Mr Otsuka, the old black tomcat in Kafka on the Shore (Haruki Murakami)


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