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Subject: Poser Pro 2010 vs Poser 8
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Well, the Gamma Correction alone is reason enough I think. But it looks like a lot of the differences lie in 64 bit compatability. And I'm still on a steam powered 32 bit machine.
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<p><em>Caution: just a hobbyist</em></p>Me too. But I'm going to change that. I've been eyeing machines with Core I7 930 processors. They are just under $1000 now.
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Oh, I have my eye firmly on those too. Along with the 160 Gb solid state drive and the ATI FirePro 8800. But I'd have to sell one of my eyes to get one past my wife's chastity belt which is firmly around my wallet. : (
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it's necessary to buy PP2010, as poser 8 is already obsolete and has tone mapping
(instead of GC). tone-mapping (exposure control), whilst familiar to photoshop users,
has never been explained adequately in re: poser IMVHO. it's like GC is the 8-bit,
1990s version of TM. if more folks learnt how to use it, it would have really caught on.
I have both but I won't be able to really enjoy Poser Pro 2010 until I upgrade my computer. I've tried the Poser Pro 2010 on a new computer and that computer was rendering images faster than I wanted it to. I click on render and I thought I had a few minutes to do something else but it rendered so fast that I don't have time to get a glass of water.
Was it cool? yeah but I'll have to give up my habit of multitasking while working with Poser Pro 2010. So I'm really looking forward to getting a better computer.
Quote - I have both but I won't be able to really enjoy Poser Pro 2010 until I upgrade my computer. I've tried the Poser Pro 2010 on a new computer and that computer was rendering images faster than I wanted it to. I click on render and I thought I had a few minutes to do something else but it rendered so fast that I don't have time to get a glass of water.
Was it cool? yeah but I'll have to give up my habit of multitasking while working with Poser Pro 2010. So I'm really looking forward to getting a better computer.
Perhaps the first time in 3D history that someone has complained that something rendered too fast. :)
bagginsbill, when you do (get ready to) get that Core 17 system - with the 930 processors -, I hope you will be kind enough to share more information with some of us less knowledgeable types (okay - ME, LOL) who will be soon upgrading both system and software.
Of course, I personally have learned so much from you via posts and programs, I feel almost guilty asking.
I'll get over it, of course. Thanks in advance. AND I will be looking up some of that stuff.
Larry F
Quote - Is there someone out there that can break it down for me? I already have Poser 8 and was wondering if I should take advantage of the $70 limited upgrade offer to Poser Pro 2010.
Is it worth it?
I have Poser 8 - is the upgrade to PP2010 only $70? I thought you had to own the original Poser Pro in order to qualify for that price.
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Regarding self-built computers, I was looking newegg and lots of reviewers were saying these pre-built units were less money than the sum of the parts used, and the parts were good - what they would have picked anyway.
Please inform.
I might consider a farm of cheaper units, as well. Some of the really high end I7 980X boxes run over $3000. I imagine that having a few 930s or even 860s with network rendering would be faster at the same price. I mean, 12 cores versus 4, you know.
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The computer I have now I've built myself. It cost me just over 2Gs. About 3 weeks later I was just browsing the Dell sight and they had an almost identical machine to my build for $800 less. So, either I'm a bad shopper (I bought components from all over the world) or Dell really knows what they're doing.
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running Poser on 64bit made a real difference for me. Also having a secondary machine in Queue mode (Poser 2010 comes with the queuing engine) really enhanced productivity as my main machine didnt get stuck with rendering, so i can do continue to work whilst another machine renders.
I never tried Poser 8 but the jump to Pro and 64bit was worth it for me .... i may recommend going to Win 7 64 bit (if you use windows) dont try Vista ....heard its not stable under those circumstances.
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The trouble with buying a pre-built vs building your own, is that you likely won't be able to overclock the pre-build. If the board isn't locked out, than you still will likely need to replace the power supply, and the chip cooler.
I saw that... Really, there's no need to flinch when you here “Overclock” these days. Modern motherboards make it very easy for a novice, and the core i7 begs to get cranked up a little. I'm just running mine on air cooling, and it was very easy to get it to 3.8GHz. At 4GHz, it starts to get a little too hot. However, Corsair makes the Hydro H50- which is a fully self contained water cooler that fit's the i7 perfectly for about $70. From what I've read, the i7 920 will run happily at 4.2GHz with little effort. That will be my next upgrade.
Besides, when you build your own, you get to decide exactly what you want in the system, and what you don't really need- both hardware, and software.
Just to point out that the i920 is now discontinued. So the 930 is the better choice a few dollars more. $1 more at Newegg.ca. It won't be long before the 930 get's discontinued. Yes some places still sell the 920's but that due to how much stock they have. There were some real cheep deals in some of the States stores but sold out quick and don't have them anymore.
The AMD 6 core has been proving to match the i950/960's in multithreading software. But the i930 matches it in single threading as in gaming. The big problem with AMD are motherboards. You can't get a really good MOBO that is SLI. There are a couple but they are not up to par as what you can get for the Intels.
So if your thinking or needing nVidia as in cuda and Open CL you are SOL for good boards.
If you can wait till next year it may be to your advantage with the new Intels.
Actually, there is another good reason.
Import full body morphs in Poserpro2010.
Depends on what you do, but the Pro version allows you to export the origional obj (or grab it from the Geometries folder), model the figure as a whole in an external 3D modeling program, and import the modified figure as a full body morph.
This s a HUGE , and I mean a H U G E timesaver.
No group fiddling around any more.
Then, there is the 64 bit part, the CG PART? The memory handling part.....
Well to each his own.
Depends on what you do??? If you morph a lot in external programs, certainly, the PoserPro is the way to go.
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I have been building my own for the last four years. What I have found out along the way is that the relationship between the chip and motherboard is a ying-yang thang. You can have good relationships and you can have bad ones. By hitting lots of reviews and different boards you start to see commonalities bewteen certain mobo's and chips, most of these are being oc'ed but even if you don't oc it's still a more stable mating. I too was going to get the 920 because of the reviews but was steered towards the 930, for $10 more you get a significatly better chip.
Next I look for the memory, video card and mobo pairing, this is usually straight forward but I still am paying attention to the reviews/overclocks. SLI is a biggie for me and cards.
I'll always buy a large game case as they have the room for the bigger video cards and chip cooling units.
For power supplies I always go with Corsair.
Could I find something from a store with simular guts? Maybe, but they wouldn't be what I have sniped for nor the brands I want (and that research has proven to be reliable). What I (we) do would be very unusual and hard for a store built computer to handle and compute. Without a doubt I build custom graphic arts/rendering/3d modeling rigs. I give a very minimal overclock to the whole thing. Just my 2 cents is all. You can have success at the store too, but I think you would be more satisfied with a proven custom rig. 
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Nice info on building your own pc vs store bought. But HIJACK.
Just kidding.
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I might consider a farm of cheaper units, as well. Some of the really high end I7 980X boxes run over $3000. I imagine that having a few 930s or even 860s with network rendering would be faster at the same price. I mean, 12 cores versus 4, you know.
Actually, the I7 980X has 6 cores. 3.33 Ghz clock speed. 32 MB cache.
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Quote - Actually, there is another good reason.
Import full body morphs in Poserpro2010.
Depends on what you do, but the Pro version allows you to export the origional obj (or grab it from the Geometries folder), model the figure as a whole in an external 3D modeling program, and import the modified figure as a full body morph.
This s a HUGE , and I mean a H U G E timesaver.
No group fiddling around any more.
Dang, I never knew that. I've still been doing it by group Thanks for the heads up on that.
Quote - > Quote - Is there someone out there that can break it down for me? I already have Poser 8 and was wondering if I should take advantage of the $70 limited upgrade offer to Poser Pro 2010.
Is it worth it?
I have Poser 8 - is the upgrade to PP2010 only $70? I thought you had to own the original Poser Pro in order to qualify for that price.
Not to be annoying, but does anyone have an answer to this question? The OP wants to take "advantage of the $70 limited upgrade offer to Poser Pro 2010."
My question: "I have Poser 8 - is the upgrade to PP2010 only $70?" I can't find any evidence of this.
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So, you can upgrade from Poser 8 to Poser Pro 2010 for $70, then?
On the site:
Description:
*Limited-time $70 Upgrade Sale: Owners of both Poser Pro and Poser 8 qualify for an exclusive upgrade price of just $70. Visit this page: http://poser.smithmicro.com/upgrade.html
Obscure. Does both mean owners of either or owners of both pieces of software?
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OP, be forewarned. You have to own BOTH Poser 8 and Poser Pro (the original) in order to qualify.
I wonder what the population count of owners of both would be?
I guess I'll have to wait until SM get more aggressive on wanting people to move to PP2010... at this point, there is no financial incentive and very little software-feature incentive to move from Poser 8 to Poser Pro2010, not with my limited income. $250.00 is for me a heck of a lot more than I paid to upgrade from P7 to P8... at that price, I'll just go on material GCing, anyway, thanks just the same.
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I have a 32-bit system. Pentium 4 2.8gHz with I gig RAM, running Windows XP Professional.
Barely adequate for Poser 8.
Am I going to need networked rendering capability? Doubtful. The rest of the family would whinge bitterly if I started invoking their systems as a render farm. Collada support? I'm not a pro 3D artist using other applications, so I don't see it happening.
--Content Management system with meta data support and online search
--64-bit fully native application Windows
--Parameter change indicator
--Recent Render palette
--Multiple views in library: Tree View, Multicolumn Thumbnail List, and Extended Details
--Auto-conform on drag and drop
--Gamma Correction
--Background Rendering
--Network Render Queue and Queue Manager
--HDRI export/import
--PSD layer rendering
--Joint strength indicator
--Full Body Part Morph Import
--Multi-thread Bending
--StuffIt® Connect image export
--Facebook® image export
--PoserFusion plug-ins
I had to ask myself: of these features, which one would I really need?
And then, is Gamma Correction worth $250 for a side-grade from Poser 8?
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I'm running Ubuntu on my machine and use Poser via Wine. In Poser 8, I've had a number of problems with the window management, which are now resolved in PoserPro 2010. My overall impression is that PP works smoother and faster for me than Poser 8. All of this might well be due to bug fixes that will eventually find their way into Poser 8 SR3, but I won't know for sure until that comes out.
There are other little things, like the display of weights in the joint editor. These might not be of interest to everyone, but for some of us, they are a big deal.
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Quote - I'm running Ubuntu on my machine and use Poser via Wine. In Poser 8, I've had a number of problems with the window management, which are now resolved in PoserPro 2010. My overall impression is that PP works smoother and faster for me than Poser 8. All of this might well be due to bug fixes that will eventually find their way into Poser 8 SR3, but I won't know for sure until that comes out.
Dang!
Thanks for tipping the scale the other way, suddenly and without warning.
I'm running Ubuntu 9.04 - pretty sure it's an LTS. I have had but the spottiest success running P7 in Ubuntu under Wine: window management was shocking and I finally gave up. So now I either have to wait for SM to make consessions for us poor folk and let us into the Pro realm - yeah, that'll happen - or I strike it rich with some brilliant content and buy it outright. Suddenly I need PP2010.
Oh, btw ODF, what are your system specs? Fairly muscular hardware?
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I'm running Ubuntu 9.10 on an Intel Dual Core T8100 at 2.10GHz, according to the System Monitor thingy. I have 2 Gigabytes of memory, though, which tends to be a good thing. I guess 4 would have been better, but I didn't want to spend more than 2 grand on a stupid laptop. That was back in 2008; no idea what prices are like now.
As I said, it might still be a good idea to hold out until SR3 and see if that fixes some of the windowing bugs. The problems I had with Poser 8 were annoying, but usually there was some way of working around them. I don't have Poser 7, so I can't say if things were even worse with that. Also, it's probably save to assume that the more recent your Wine, the better.
Incidentally, I'm pretty sure 9.04 is not an LTS. I started with 8.04, which is one, and missed out on all the upgrades up until recently because my system updater was set to ignore new releases that weren't LTS. The new 10.04 is an LTS again.
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I stand corrected, ODF.
I have downloaded 10.04 and am waiting for that right moment to upgrade... deceptively easy, but then, I always end up losing something like bookmarks or something like that.
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I had some problems with the ATI drivers in 10.04, so I downgraded again and decided to wait until the proprietary drivers are up-to-date with the latest X.org. But I've heard that others had their ATI cards working just fine with 10.04, so I guess one never knows.
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I've got an NVidia 9400m G card in this laptop that hopefully I won't have to re-install the proprietary driver for manually everything the kernel gets an update. I mean, it's not too hard - you just run this app in terminal mode as root every time the kernel updates, but it's still a bit of a pain.
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Quote - Actually, there is another good reason.
Import full body morphs in Poserpro2010.
Depends on what you do, but the Pro version allows you to export the origional obj (or grab it from the Geometries folder), model the figure as a whole in an external 3D modeling program, and import the modified figure as a full body morph.
This s a HUGE , and I mean a H U G E timesaver.
No group fiddling around any more.
Then, there is the 64 bit part, the CG PART? The memory handling part.....
Well to each his own.
Depends on what you do??? If you morph a lot in external programs, certainly, the PoserPro is the way to go.
Thanks for the explanation, but like to ask, what options you export to be able to model as a whole figure?Tx
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The Smithmicro site has no information concerning the difference between these two products that I was able to find.
Is there someone out there that can break it down for me? I already have Poser 8 and was wondering if I should take advantage of the $70 limited upgrade offer to Poser Pro 2010.
Is it worth it?
I searched for a similar thread and it was in French. I can read french actually, but they were just whining and not offering any real information.