a) sex sells, it always does and here is no different?

b) it is considerably easier to make small clothing items conform and work properly?

Judging by me experiences over the weekend I am inclined to say b myself :)

John

No, it is because the ambient temperature of the Poser preview window is 100 F and its easier to reduce the clothing than continually having to construct a beads of sweat skin node in the Material room.

:rolleyes:

Quote - No, it is because the ambient temperature of the Poser preview window is 100 F and its easier to reduce the clothing than continually having to construct a beads of sweat skin node in the Material room.

:rolleyes:

That explains it then, though it does offer up a question.  What is generating all that heat?

John

It's just because Poser is highly recommended by sex therapists.

Quote - It's just because Poser is highly recommended by sex therapists.

Are Porno Poser images that common, I personally go to the galleries as much as I used to so I'm not too exposed.

And is it a question of tollerances, when does an image cross the line between not porn and porn.

John.

Time to get serious again.....

I think it's both. Sex sell and seems especially true of Poser when it comes to recent years. One only has to look at DAZ to see that. DAZ used to be quite decent in what they sold, a few years back they even portrayed themselves as being family friendly. If you look up the older content at DAZ and the recent content, you will quickly notice how much more sex orientated DAZ has become.

But the second one is true also. It's a lot easier to conform skimpy clothes then it is to do fully modeled clothes. Having modeled some clothing items, I do find that the less skin the clothing covers the better and easier it will conform.

Basically you do less work, less chance of errors, but more sales. It's as easy at that.

But, I'd like to add an option number 3.........

The majority of the content creators have lost creatiity, everyone is copying someone else. That's even from personal experiecne...... I'm trying to create original products, something new or at least different then the rest, it's though at times.. But what I see is that with a few of my products, just a few months later someone else releases something that looks ver very familiar to me, it's a copy of what I've created. Not at the same store, but at a different one people release copies of what already has been done by someone else.

To me it seems that a lot of content creators do not have any originality at all, they can only copy what others have done before. Alter it a little, but close enough to see it's a copy.......

Quote - Time to get serious again.....

I think it's both. Sex sell and seems especially true of Poser when it comes to recent years. One only has to look at DAZ to see that. DAZ used to be quite decent in what they sold, a few years back they even portrayed themselves as being family friendly. If you look up the older content at DAZ and the recent content, you will quickly notice how much more sex orientated DAZ has become.

But the second one is true also. It's a lot easier to conform skimpy clothes then it is to do fully modeled clothes. Having modeled some clothing items, I do find that the less skin the clothing covers the better and easier it will conform.

Basically you do less work, less chance of errors, but more sales. It's as easy at that.

But, I'd like to add an option number 3.........

The majority of the content creators have lost creatiity, everyone is copying someone else. That's even from personal experiecne...... I'm trying to create original products, something new or at least different then the rest, it's though at times.. But what I see is that with a few of my products, just a few months later someone else releases something that looks ver very familiar to me, it's a copy of what I've created. Not at the same store, but at a different one people release copies of what already has been done by someone else.

To me it seems that a lot of content creators do not have any originality at all, they can only copy what others have done before. Alter it a little, but close enough to see it's a copy.......

Plagarism is one of those things we have to live with I guess, much like the high street everyone is looking at what everyone else is selling (whats hot) and doing their own version of it.  After all you can't really copyright a skirt or whatever.  If you do bother to put a bit of design thought into yout work then as soon as it is released the design is more or less public property, even if your product is not.

The only thing you can do is maintain your integrity and keep on being a designer creater, instead of being a robotic factory shelling out knock offs.

They sad thing is that the buying community will end up having less of a choice, that choice boiling down to which merchant do I buy it off?

John.

I think, by most definitions, 'porn' is obscene material designed to provoke sexual arousal while having no artistic merit. If it had artistic merit and was not obscene (immoral or depraved) it would be 'erotica'.

Where those dividing lines are is not clear. What I find mildly titillating might strike, say, The Pope as disgusting and 'obscene'.

Oh, sex sells! And sells good!

Let's not close our eyes to the fact that there is a LOT of Poser porn out there. I know of many many pay-sites with pure Poser porn. Awesome quality, too! I've also seen porn movies made in Poser. Full length and all. Some people DO make lots of - not only erotica, but fullblown porn with Poser. And with good reason. You can make Poser people do whatever your fantasy demands, they won't get tired, won't demand a raise and Poser porn sites are usually "2257 exempt" meaning they won't have to keep records to prove the models' age (the whole "how old is this virtual character" idiocy)

There are several "variations" of things to do with nekkid people I don't personally care for - but I'd rather have someone make Poser bestiality (to name an example) than I'd have them photograph the real thing.

It's amazing how many people though who seems so unaware of that side of Poser. It's not exactly a secret L But there is of course a certain societal taboo where it's not the first thing you discuss over dinner L

Quote - I know of many many pay-sites with pure Poser porn. Awesome quality, too! I've also seen porn movies made in Poser. Full length and all. Some people DO make lots of - not only erotica, but fullblown porn with Poser. And with good reason.

True and in comparison 'rosity is actually a pretty tame corner of the poserverse. There are places where the 'line' has been crossed, recrossed, roughly rubbed with an eraser and had unspeakable things done to it by a pencil, while 3 pens engorged with ink waited their turn. All we have are tight butts, large boobs and the occasional warrior chick who forgot to do her laundry.

The correlation is perfectly clear when I look at the accesses to my Python stuff
and the pictures on my blog.   I've got something like 100 scripts sitting there,
with 20 or so seeming "useful" to me.  The only one that gets downloaded more
than once a day is Jiggles.   The others get hit maybe once a month.

And on my blog, I've been writing for 5 years, constantly producing various
kinds of Poser pictures and short animations to illustrate points.
Total about 800 images.

Which one gets all the Google hits?  The only nekkid picture in the bunch.

(Oddly, most of these hits are from India.  They must be seriously starved for
porn in India if this pic seems interesting to them!)

Quote - I think, by most definitions, 'porn' is obscene material designed to provoke sexual arousal while having no artistic merit. If it had artistic merit and was not obscene (immoral or depraved) it would be 'erotica'.

Where those dividing lines are is not clear. What I find mildly titillating might strike, say, The Pope as disgusting and 'obscene'.

A fine point good chicken.  The question is who decides whether the image has artistic merit or not?

Now, if sex sells and an advert is designed with that in mind, is i then not, by definition either porn or erotica?

John

Quote - The correlation is perfectly clear when I look at the accesses to my Python stuff
and the pictures on my blog.   I've got something like 100 scripts sitting there,
with 20 or so seeming "useful" to me.  The only one that gets downloaded more
than once a day is Jiggles.   The others get hit maybe once a month.

And on my blog, I've been writing for 5 years, constantly producing various
kinds of Poser pictures and short animations to illustrate points.
Total about 800 images.

Which one gets all the Google hits?  The only nekkid picture in the bunch.

(Oddly, most of these hits are from India.  They must be seriously starved for
porn in India if this pic seems interesting to them!)

The gallerys show some of these behaviours as well, put up a thumbnail with implied sexiness and see the hits build.  Put up something else as a thumbnail and prepare for a slow day :)

John

PS odd about the India thing :)

I have to agree with aeikema 100%. Especially item 3. Everything is beginning to look like a copy of everything else.

The sad part of this is, there's no shortage of new things to model. I've been begging around behind the scenes to get some dynamic clothing done... simple things like a dynamic pair of jeans and tee shirt for M4.

• No one has done tidy-whities for M4.
• V4 does not (to my knowledge) have any "flattie" shoes for general wear. My wife assures me her feet and legs would kill her after 30 minutes in 99% of the shoes here! Even low heels are that could actually be worn are in short supply.
• Both could really use long raincoats(not waist length.)
• I'm still looking for a decent set of swimming trunks for M4.
• A shirt for M4 and a blouse for V4 with button down collars (yes, people still wear them!)
• Any skirts for V4 that don't end within 6" of her genital area. 

I could go on.

I used to beta test clothing and props for another site. Fugazi's assumption that the less you cover up the fewer conforming problems you have is spot on! I suspect the very hardest thing to conform is a long skirt, at least judging by the problems I saw in some of the items I tested.

I guess I'm really quite different from the typical Renderosity customer. My purchases here are typically scenery, props, and characters. I buy male clothing that could be worn on the street and get most of the clothes for my girls over at 9Mbi because I like the "Ann Taylor" classy look. 

How many stores are there out there selling "Victoria's Secret" and "Frederick's of Hollywood" styles vs. "J.C. Penney" and "Macy's?" That ought to tell us something. I'm not beating on the people who do fantasy gear... that's a whole different collection and I can see where it has a place in the Poserverse. I'm beating on the thousand thongs and nothing-but-nipple-covering skimpies that seem to dominate here. And I'm not a prude. I do some sex scenes. I had a fair number of them included in "Encyclopedia Sexualis" last year.  However, if I'm rendering sex, I have my characters as nature intended them for that activity: nude.

Otherwise, my characters are in realistic tableaus, doing things that call for either casual or business street clothes. Those are hard to find.

Quote - Oh, sex sells! And sells good!

Let's not close our eyes to the fact that there is a LOT of Poser porn out there. I know of many many pay-sites with pure Poser porn. Awesome quality, too! I've also seen porn movies made in Poser. Full length and all. Some people DO make lots of - not only erotica, but fullblown porn with Poser. And with good reason. You can make Poser people do whatever your fantasy demands, they won't get tired, won't demand a raise and Poser porn sites are usually "2257 exempt" meaning they won't have to keep records to prove the models' age (the whole "how old is this virtual character" idiocy)

There are several "variations" of things to do with nekkid people I don't personally care for - but I'd rather have someone make Poser bestiality (to name an example) than I'd have them photograph the real thing.

It's amazing how many people though who seems so unaware of that side of Poser. It's not exactly a secret L But there is of course a certain societal taboo where it's not the first thing you discuss over dinner L

Crickey I am one of those completely unaware of that side it seems.  It isn't something I'd talk about over dinner it's true :) but it seems out of ignorace rather than taboo.

John

Quote - > Quote - I know of many many pay-sites with pure Poser porn. Awesome quality, too! I've also seen porn movies made in Poser. Full length and all. Some people DO make lots of - not only erotica, but fullblown porn with Poser. And with good reason.

True and in comparison 'rosity is actually a pretty tame corner of the poserverse. There are places where the 'line' has been crossed, recrossed, roughly rubbed with an eraser and had unspeakable things done to it by a pencil, while 3 pens engorged with ink waited their turn. All we have are tight butts, large boobs and the occasional warrior chick who forgot to do her laundry.

lol :) thats good

The 1930 Bedroom is not very good; I hadn't mastered modeling at that time,
and the pieces have lots of defects.

Why has it always been at the top of the views?  Gee, I can't figure it out.

 Ockham... because there's a BED in it obviously L And beds are always good to have L

for various horizontal stuff. Perhaps even sleeping ;)

Basicwiz.. in regards to the V4 clothes and -shoes, you should go get my free Librarian then. It comes with flat shoes and a decent length skirt.

(uhm the blouse is decent of first sight.. but does contain some morphs to open it for .. a slightly different kind of pictures... L) I've always liked morphs that "did" something. Right from my first smashable beer can.. I like to turn dials and see the action L  So whenever I can I also put a "surprise" morph into the few pieces of clothing I've made so far.

Good point with the raincoats btw. I'll put those on my To-Do list :)

Oh, I have no objection to an open morph!!! My poser men have undressed their share of quite proper ladies. In fact, that sort of garment is EXACTLY what I'm looking for! It's NORMAL clothing for normal people who do normal things (and yes, that includes having sex!)

Many thanks for the heads up, and for all you do! 

Quote - Here's another illustration from my ShareCG freebies.  The top view counts
among 40 items produced over 3 years.   Most of these top items are logically
understandable: they're unique and good.

The 1930 Bedroom is not very good; I hadn't mastered modeling at that time,
and the pieces have lots of defects.

Why has it always been at the top of the views?  Gee, I can't figure it out.

What happens if you work out your monthly hits per item :)

The art that inspires us from Royo and Vallejo to comic books and pinups isn't exactly filled with heavily clothed females.

Besides, you'll see skimpy clothes on poser girls, even if they're kicking someone's rear because it's a well known fact that fantasy females cannot fight with any spirit or skill unless their navels are exposed. And apparently, they fight with even more gusto when the cleavage,  the bottom of the breasts, and the sides of the hip are visible. Full plate is a death sentence for a girl.

This special case, decreed by the Gods, is why I excepted fantasy clothing from my rant! 

LOL Is this a serious question? Seems the reason for skimpy clothes is obvious. People make what sells. A handful of users interested in "legitimate" illustration do not drive the market very much. So many discussions have happened here with many familiar faces saying they want everyday clothes. Yet it doesn't happen very much.

Even stuff that isn't for prurient purposes is nevertheless presented to sell by gratuitously under-clad females. An example that came up recently that made me laugh was the "Vintage Camera" over at RDNA. Clearly the vendor felt that a simple promo of the camera wasn't good enough to sell it. Go have a look at how it is presented and get ready for a laugh.

http://www.runtimedna.com/Vintage-Camera.html

It's a nice camera, by the way.

LOL, classic advertising.

Quote - LOL Is this a serious question? Seems the reason for skimpy clothes is obvious. People make what sells. A handful of users interested in "legitimate" illustration do not drive the market very much. So many discussions have happened here with many familiar faces saying they want everyday clothes. Yet it doesn't happen very much.

Even stuff that isn't for prurient purposes is nevertheless presented to sell by gratuitously under-clad females. An example that came up recently that made me laugh was the "Vintage Camera" over at RDNA. Clearly the vendor felt that a simple promo of the camera wasn't good enough to sell it. Go have a look at how it is presented and get ready for a laugh.

http://www.runtimedna.com/Vintage-Camera.html

It's a nice camera, by the way.

lol, methinks she is on the wrong side of the camera :)

ROFLMAO 

BB is, as usual, right. We can bitch all we want and it will change nothing. I just wish there was a site for males like 9mbi where I could get good clothing for them. Anyone got a suggestion? 

Quote - Even stuff that isn't for prurient purposes is nevertheless presented to sell by gratuitously under-clad females. An example that came up recently that made me laugh was the "Vintage Camera" over at RDNA. Clearly the vendor felt that a simple promo of the camera wasn't good enough to sell it. Go have a look at how it is presented and get ready for a laugh.

http://www.runtimedna.com/Vintage-Camera.html

It's a nice camera, by the way.

I think it's kind of sad that people need to create such images to sell something. I'll hope I will never have to do such a thing to sell me items.........

Quote - Besides, you'll see skimpy clothes on poser girls, even if they're kicking someone's rear because it's a well known fact that fantasy females cannot fight with any spirit or skill unless their navels are exposed. And apparently, they fight with even more gusto when the cleavage,  the bottom of the breasts, and the sides of the hip are visible. Full plate is a death sentence for a girl.

First rule of fantasy videogames - skimpier armor provides more protection.  Theoretically a female being completely nude should be godmode. 

bill, the expanding/telescoping part of the camera (black part) looks too shiny.  Nice outfit though.

If renderosity wanted to sell more normal items they could.  They could offer merchants better deals to create realistic clothing.  They could make realistic items under their rpublishing brand,  perhaps add an inhouse modeller and texturer to make real clothing for them in return for a salary.  However they make their money from sales and if those things don't sell, they certainly aren't going to try hard to make those sort of things to be sold here.

*"However, if I'm rendering sex, I have my characters as nature intended them for that activity: nude."

"Well," said Pooh, "what I like best -- " and then he had to stop and think. Because although Eating Honey was a very good thing to do, there was a moment just before you began to eat it which was better than when you were, but he didn't know what it was called”*

And that, sirs and madams is why skimpy clothes are popular. Or, as a wise man said, 'Don't argue with your honey, dicker.'

Quote - *

And that, sirs and madams is why skimpy clothes are popular. Or, as a wise man said, 'Don't argue with your honey, dicker.'

I though it was "Don't argue with your...., honey"

Oh!! I just can't type that!! :lol:

If you do not do animation there is lots of ordinary clothing in poser. For stills the clothing can posed and placed on any figure without conforming it. Changing the texture, resizing and morphing it are not problems. It is all there if we want it.

it's got to be something besides just sex selling.  because somehow that fact doesn't stop the photography gallery, the 3ds Max gallery, the C4D gallery and other galleries here from being more diverse than Poser's.  let alone how photography, pro 3d, and 2d art do in the wider web. 

you may be on to something with conforming clothes.  my boyfriend occasionally burst out laughing at how some clothes considered pretty high quality (and sold at premium prices) looked in my renders.  and there's a lot of stuff i started and stopped because of problems i couldn't do anything about.   from weirdly bent meshes, to floating lace tops, to stretched and distorted textures, to clothing that looks inflated, i've encountered several problems i either killed images or got rid of clothing to avoid.

i know a lot of people consider dynamic clothes more time consuming to work with, but i honestly find them much less so.  i've spent hours trying to paint corrections to conforming clothes, only to have results that were mediocre at best.  on the other hand, any corrections i've had to make to dynamic clothes have been fairly quick and easy to do.

Do you all mean to say there is a reason that most people here know what "NVIAT" means?
Or that such an abbreviation exists?

PhilC: 100F! (about 38C) That must be the reason,

Winterclaw: I was about to point out that same point! Vicky would NOT go Dragon Slaying in a metal bikini unless it provided the most protection!

 ODVIATWLS?

maybe the overdressed part...;)

Quote -  Is this a Renderosity first?

 ODVIATWLS?

Now that's just sacrilege!! Where's the boobies???!!

Shame on you!

Laurie

 I am sorry!

It only took minutes to set up-but I felt distress over RENDERING an Over Dressed Vicky In A Temple With Light Saber- and I kept getting  messages  "Poser Has Detected CLOTHING on your NVIAT Render-do you wish to remove the Clothing now?"

  I should have posted "advisories" on the render!

I make erotic comics - or rather, comics containing erotica. Most of the time my characters are dressed and getting on with the plot. (yes, there's always an actual plot! :D)

I find myself using Hiro 3 and Mike 3 rather than Mike 4, just because there's more normal clothing for them. But this isn't clothing I've bought - it's freestuff by Adzan and various Japanese artists. The stuff for sale tends to be a lot more 'themed.'

As for the girls, dear me. A3, Miki 2, Terai Yuki and hope they don't change their clothes too often... once again, many free Japanese items.