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Subject: network-structure-prop (atom/molecule) - any ideas?


mr_Holger ( ) posted Sun, 17 October 2010 at 4:07 AM · edited Thu, 14 November 2024 at 7:08 PM

Hello,
I would like to visualize a social/organizational network-structure between some partners.
I am not a an artist - and so I had the idea to use Poser for making the basic illustration. I had in mind to render any natural network-structure and place (later, in 2D software) some people or buildings on some places of the structure.

at first I had an atom or molecule in mind. but I cannot find any suitable prop.
the only atom I have found is the free one by 3D universe. but I hope, there will be another prop anywhere, a bit more complex.
there are some fine models of molecules at another 3D-shop. but they are in obj-format and as a newbie I don't know, if I can change the color of the connecting dots of the structure.

could anyone give me a tip, if there is any good looking prop of an atom or molecule or any other network-lookalike structure for use in Poser?

thanks a lot!

Holger


geep ( ) posted Sun, 17 October 2010 at 6:23 AM

Remember ... "With Poser, all things are possible, and poseable!"


cheers,

dr geep ... :o]

edited 10/5/2019



nruddock ( ) posted Sun, 17 October 2010 at 6:29 AM

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It's pretty easy to do, the basic idea is to use spheres as the "atoms" and cylinders as the "bonds".
The trick is making use of parenting and "point at" for the "bonds".

In the case of my avatar, I followed a traditional chemical colouring scheme for the bonds, meaning I had to use a cylinder for each half "bond", but for other networks that probably isn't going to be necessary.

Unless you're really determined to use Poser for this, you might be better of using one of many free/open source apps that do network visualisation, e.g. -> Cytoscape or Gephi
It depends on many factor which software might be most suitable for what you're actually hoping to achieve.


mr_Holger ( ) posted Sun, 17 October 2010 at 6:41 AM

Thank you a lot!

@nruddock:  concerning the apps for visualisation you told me. great idea, I will take alook for this. but for other reasons.

my topic here is only to make a cover illustration for a evaluation study I have done. the study was hard work, and now I would like to finish the final report with a cover illustration, done by myself. just to show my creativity...
so everything in this project report is a product of my own and I don't have to use any third party image. a little bit crazy, I know, but it is my baby now... ;-))


nruddock ( ) posted Sun, 17 October 2010 at 8:41 AM

Quote - my topic here is only to make a cover illustration for a evaluation study I have done. the study was hard work, and now I would like to finish the final report with a cover illustration, done by myself. just to show my creativity...
so everything in this project report is a product of my own and I don't have to use any third party image. a little bit crazy, I know, but it is my baby now... ;-))

I'm pretty sure I understand what you're trying to do, and the techniques I mention for molecules should apply, but with one one extra trick, that of using the scale dials to flatten the primitives, so you end up discs and lines.
You can then place the 2D building you mentioned on the discs using a 2D graphics app.

If I've misunderstood, a concept sketch or two might help focusing in on what techniques might help.


lmckenzie ( ) posted Sun, 17 October 2010 at 9:49 PM

Attached Link: University of Illinois - Visual Moleculay Dynamics

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If you just want 3D renders of (real) molecules to use as a basis for an image, you can use VMD. There are thousands of molecules you can download from the Protein Data Bank and render in various styles and representations – anything from cholera toxin (IXTC) to “Sperm whale myoglobin mutant H64W deoxy-form” (3OGB) ÷) You can save the image or export to vrml, obj or a number of other formats. The .obj files can be huge though and texturing them would be challenging so probably best to stick with images if that will work. The site has a link to the cover of a chemistry book made using VMD to give you an idea of what you can do with it.

The advantage of creating something in Poser or a modeling program is that you can get just what you want. I agree with nruddock that some kind of network diagramming or 3D flowcharting application would probably be the easiest solution. You’re still going to have to design and lay out the diagram yourself, so in my view, it’s still your work at least as much as it would be using a pre-made prop or models of people and buildings.

 

"Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H. L. Mencken


mr_Holger ( ) posted Mon, 18 October 2010 at 2:34 AM

great advices, thank you.


lmckenzie ( ) posted Tue, 19 October 2010 at 9:19 AM · edited Tue, 19 October 2010 at 9:22 AM

file_460528.jpg

Got a small one textured :-) 

"Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H. L. Mencken


mr_Holger ( ) posted Tue, 19 October 2010 at 10:08 AM

Wow! Seeing this I know again, that I don't know anything.


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